The Scourge is overrated

[Goldielocks]

If by overrated you mean that the Scourge was just a threat with greater relative power at the time and is now being turned into a part of this cosmic bullshit because Shadowlands is pure fanfiction, then yes. The Scourge was nothing more than a creation of the Burning Legion, and while indeed a threat, it was relative to the strength of the heroes of Azeroth. That factor has increased over time, by making your hero go from some adventurer to a savior of the whole planet by Legion.

[darkoms]

If by overrated you mean that the Scourge was just a threat with greater relative power at the time and is now being turned into a part of this cosmic bullshit because Shadowlands is pure fanfiction, then yes. The Scourge was nothing more than a creation of the Burning Legion, and while indeed a threat, it was relative to the strength of the heroes of Azeroth. That factor has increased over time, by making your hero go from some adventurer to a savior of the whole planet by Legion.

No, I mean that people think the Scourge was more dangerous than it really was.

[Goldielocks]

No, I mean that people think the Scourge was more dangerous than it really was.

I know what you said, but people use an idea similar to justify the game's fanfiction direction so it's relevant.

[Kaleredar]

It has never been said that Gandalf does not eat children, so that we can say that he does.

If they mentioned Gandalf eating children in an offhand way multiple times in Lord of the rings, there might be cause to think that. The light is regularly personified by people within WoW as having some sort of will.

If it is not written that the Light has a mind, then we cannot say that the Light has a mind. Light is just power. Otherwise, why does he allow Benedict or the Scarlet Crusade to use his power?

Because they believe they're doing what's right with it.

Um, yes, this is one of the options for the future. In which Deathwing defeated. And this would have happened if not for the Dragon Soul. Again. The Deathwing threat in Cataclysm is the only event in history that has forced Nozdormu to break his oath to Aman'thul. Read Charge of the Aspects.

So it would have happened if the thing that stopped it didn't happen.

So in otherwords, it didn't happen.

Yes, I know, but this is nonsense.

That's nice that you think it's nonsense; doesn't mean it isn't canon.

The player character in Draenor, even with the help of Durotan / Yrel, can do nothing against Garrosh. The gambler of the player itself is rather weak. Yes, in a crowd they can defeat someone powerful, but even so they always need help. If Arthas subjugated them, all those who usually help them win would turn against them. With or without a champion, Arthas has no chance against Deathwing.

For a long time I have not read such nonsense. Have you seen what happened in the Cataclysm? Have you seen what threat Deathwing was? Deathwing solo could easily destroy the Lich King. Now imagine that he is being helped by a huge army of faceless, naga and elementals led by two Elemental Lords, as well as Xavius ​​and the Nightmare. Only in order to cast Ragnaros from Hyjal it was necessary to resurrect the strongest wild gods, including Malorne. Also imagine that the Scourge meets Chromatus, who, being far from his full power, was stronger than the 4 Aspects.

And yet all of those forces were defeated by the same adventurers who you ascribed to being useless.

...Adventurers who would be controlled, wholesale, by the lich king, in addition the entirety of the thencetofor mortal beings on Azeroth.

Nowhere has it ever been said that the Scourge was about to invade the Emerald Dream, do not invent it. Even in the Emerald Sanctuary, there was a magical defense that instantly destroyed any undead controlled by Arthas. The Scourge would have no chance of trying to invade the Emerald Dream.

...Then why were they trying to turn Valithria dreamwalker?

[darkoms]

If they mentioned Gandalf eating children in an offhand way multiple times in Lord of the rings, there might be cause to think that. The light is regularly personified by people within WoW as having some sort of will.



Because they believe they're doing what's right with it.



So it would have happened if the thing that stopped it didn't happen.

So in otherwords, it didn't happen.



That's nice that you think it's nonsense; doesn't mean it isn't canon.



And yet all of those forces were defeated by the same adventurers who you ascribed to being useless.

...Adventurers who would be controlled, wholesale, by the lich king, in addition the entirety of the thencetofor mortal beings on Azeroth.



...Then why were they trying to turn Valithria dreamwalker?

The opinion of the characters does not mean anything, they are constantly mistaken. Krasus thought the Old Gods were stronger than Sargeras.

No. Read the Chronicles. Benedict, after joining the Twilight's Hammer, could use the Light through willpower. And that is also not the answer. Why does the Light, if it is a god, allow its power to be used for evil? Why doesn't he just cut her off from the Scarlet Crusaders? Won't this show them that they are wrong? But the fact is that he is not a god and they can use the Light while they themselves believe that they are right. You confirm my point.

What? I did not understand anything from your delirium. I just tell you how dangerous Deathwing was, that Nozdorm had to break his oath, and how dangerous Arthas was, that the Aspects even decided not to be distracted from their problems.

Seeking adventure never defeated powerful creatures without the help of other powerful creatures. LOL what? That is, after the victory over the champions, at the same instant, all of Azeroth will fall before Arthas? Are you confusing anything? Even if he subjugated the champions, he would have had to wage a long war against all of Azeroth and he would have no chance against the Aspects or Deathwing.

The Lich King yells: Intruders have breached the inner sanctum! Hasten the destruction of the green dragon, leave only bones and sinew for the reanimation!
The fact that the Scourge, in the very heart of their lands, is having trouble eliminating one green dragon shows what their chances are of invading the Emerald Dream

[McNeil]

The Scourge had a lot of development and helped shape the world how it is. In WC3 they were one of the most powerful factions other than the Burning Legion, who they also backstabbed because Ner'zhul had to get rid of his jailors. Arthas as its leader also had one of the best story arcs with a proper conclusion. The only reason the Scourge doesn't look as much of a threat is because of the power levels the game has to keep making to keep the bigger bads coming and pump out more expansions. Arthas was also damn near winning the entire war, but had to lose at the very end because the game needed him to. Compared to other villainous races the Scourge is far from overrated.

[darkoms]

The Scourge had a lot of development and helped shape the world how it is. In WC3 they were one of the most powerful factions other than the Burning Legion, who they also backstabbed because Ner'zhul had to get rid of his jailors. Arthas as its leader also had one of the best story arcs with a proper conclusion. The only reason the Scourge doesn't look as much of a threat is because of the power levels the game has to keep making to keep the bigger bads coming and pump out more expansions. Arthas was also damn near winning the entire war, but had to lose at the very end because the game needed him to. Compared to other villainous races the Scourge is far from overrated.

Arthas was not close to victory in the war. The Alliance and the Horde constantly defeated the Scourge, and the defeat of KelTuzad in Naxxramas brought Arthas to the brink of defeat, but he was saved by the intervention of Malygos (Chronicles). At the same time, the Alliance and the Horde managed to fight with other enemies and with each other. Now imagine that the Alliance and the Horde are completely focused on the war with the Scourge, or that the Aspects decide to personally intervene to stop Arthas.
The Scourge is overrated, sorry.

[Kaleredar]

The opinion of the characters does not mean anything, they are constantly mistaken. Krasus thought the Old Gods were stronger than Sargeras.

No. Read the Chronicles. Benedict, after joining the Twilight's Hammer, could use the Light through willpower. And that is also not the answer. Why does the Light, if it is a god, allow its power to be used for evil? Why doesn't he just cut her off from the Scarlet Crusaders? Won't this show them that they are wrong? But the fact is that he is not a god and they can use the Light while they themselves believe that they are right. You confirm my point.

That the light has some form of willpower. That doesn't mean that people can't use that power for ill means.

What? I did not understand anything from your delirium.

Don't use fancy words if you don't know how to use them properly.

I just tell you how dangerous Deathwing was, that Nozdorm had to break his oath,

...and?

and how dangerous Arthas was, that the Aspects even decided not to be distracted from their problems.

You wanna talk about Deathwing? Let's talk about Deathwing.

He woke up and broke the world pillar. THAT is what caused the destruction of Azeroth. After that, what did he do? He flew around just kind of not really doing anything while his forces were completely beaten back and destroyed, routed wholesale by bands of adventurers that went all the way down to the power level of Harrison Jones bumbling around in Uldum defeating the entirety of his efforts there.

Then, during Dragon Soul, Deathwing is shown to be unable to bring down even airships despite directly attacking them, and doesn't seem able to eliminate the adventures atop Wyrmrest despite coming face to face with them. Then, again, in the final fight, when Deathwing has been fully empowered by the Old Gods and is causing himself to self destruct in an attempt to finish off the adventurers, he's unable to do that... again... so the adventurers smack his fingernails for a bit and he's defeated.

What, precisely, makes you think Deathwing was so "undefeatably powerful?" Cuz everything we saw in game kind of pointed to him being a pushover with no real tact or planning.

As far as "the dragons didn't even think they needed to help!" The dragons also didn't band together to do jack shit in Legion, save for Ysera, and that was only because the emerald dream was involved, and Kalecgos, and that was because one blue dragon in azsuna was kind of sick. Obviously their priorities aren't in very good order, now are they?

I mean hell, look at the Death Knight questchain in Legion... the player character (you know, one of the champions that would have been turned by the Lich King) single-handedly wrecks their way through the ruby sanctum. The dragons are powerless to stop them.

Seeking adventure never defeated powerful creatures without the help of other powerful creatures. LOL what? That is, after the victory over the champions, at the same instant, all of Azeroth will fall before Arthas? Are you confusing anything? Even if he subjugated the champions, he would have had to wage a long war against all of Azeroth and he would have no chance against the Aspects or Deathwing.

Why not? He'd have the champions at his side and the ability to turn the dragons to his will.

The Lich King yells: Intruders have breached the inner sanctum! Hasten the destruction of the green dragon, leave only bones and sinew for the reanimation!
The fact that the Scourge, in the very heart of their lands, is having trouble eliminating one green dragon shows what their chances are of invading the Emerald Dream

We can intuit that they were trying to corrupt her in some special way. The scourge was never seen to have any problems wrecking or raising dragons otherwise.

[DemonHunter18]

I always took the Scourge is more dangerous and unstoppable without the LK as a good joke.

[darkoms]

That the light has some form of willpower. That doesn't mean that people can't use that power for ill means.



Don't use fancy words if you don't know how to use them properly.



...and?



You wanna talk about Deathwing? Let's talk about Deathwing.

He woke up and broke the world pillar. THAT is what caused the destruction of Azeroth. After that, what did he do? He flew around just kind of not really doing anything while his forces were completely beaten back and destroyed, routed wholesale by bands of adventurers that went all the way down to the power level of Harrison Jones bumbling around in Uldum defeating the entirety of his efforts there.

Then, during Dragon Soul, Deathwing is shown to be unable to bring down even airships despite directly attacking them, and doesn't seem able to eliminate the adventures atop Wyrmrest despite coming face to face with them. Then, again, in the final fight, when Deathwing has been fully empowered by the Old Gods and is causing himself to self destruct in an attempt to finish off the adventurers, he's unable to do that... again... so the adventurers smack his fingernails for a bit and he's defeated.

What, precisely, makes you think Deathwing was so "undefeatably powerful?" Cuz everything we saw in game kind of pointed to him being a pushover with no real tact or planning.

As far as "the dragons didn't even think they needed to help!" The dragons also didn't band together to do jack shit in Legion, save for Ysera, and that was only because the emerald dream was involved, and Kalecgos, and that was because one blue dragon in azsuna was kind of sick. Obviously their priorities aren't in very good order, now are they?

I mean hell, look at the Death Knight questchain in Legion... the player character (you know, one of the champions that would have been turned by the Lich King) single-handedly wrecks their way through the ruby sanctum. The dragons are powerless to stop them.



Why not? He'd have the champions at his side and the ability to turn the dragons to his will.



We can intuit that they were trying to corrupt her in some special way. The scourge was never seen to have any problems wrecking or raising dragons otherwise.

What form is willpower? You are trying to prove to me that the Light has a mind and that he personally intervened to save Tyrion, without providing any evidence

Yet again. What?

Ahahahahha, LK's fans are so funny. Now remember Arthas's failures.
Well, maybe the fact that in order to defeat Deathwing Nozdormu broke his oath of maintaining the timeline, take the most powerful artifact in the history of Azeroth from the past and the fact that it took the Dragon Soul, the strongest shaman and 4 Aspects to defeat Deathwing An aspect that also had to sacrifice all its strength? To defeat Arthas, we needed a grandfather with a toothpick.

Well, if only because any of the Aspects is much stronger than Arthas? Or the fact that in due time the army of dragons, even weakened, threw off the Legion? You overestimate the Scourge and underestimate the Aspects too much. Also, there is no chance against the army of N'zoth. Chromatus can solo destroy the Scourge, lol.

I don't care about your guesses. The Lich King bluntly says that you need to speed up the destruction of the dragon.

[Beerbill Society]

Dude, if you played at Wrath pre event you know Scourge and overated should never be placed on the same phrase. Blizzard had to hard reset it because it destroyed the game.

It's a pandemic, worst than Corona that when you die, which is only a matter of time, you become part of.

No threat Azeroth ever faced is worst than it.

Giant Swords and Edgy Dragons may rip the planet apart but a plague that spreads and turn you into zombie, that's the real apocalyptic shit.

[Kemsa]

Just passing through reading some Arthas' Widows righ now (eating popcorn)

Now real talk here. The entire Lich King Expansion and the First Invasion of the Undead (Classic last patch Naxxramas) its a complete shitshow. (By seeing last patch of classic, makes sense the next step was Lich King and not Outland). The entire "Soul" of the expansion was "lets fight arthas" instead we fought more Old Gods minions than Scourge minions and its funny AF and the end of it was, so god... plotpoint for the future!! haha!! all your efforts are for nothing return to the Obsidian Sanctum HOHO!!!.

The scourge moved from this "unstopable force that will destroy everything, they can walk underwater, restless undead that will flood the cities. To yeah we cool with Sylvannas, the Jailer, Bolvar, maybe Bwomsamdi who knows, we chill, we cool yo.

That means that everything that happened on WoTLK was pretty much just like BfA, every story its a plot point for the future. Bolvar, old gods, the first time we see the faceless, the Living Nerubians, the undead Nerubians, Tuskar, Taunkas, Vrykuls, Kultirans, origin of the dwarves, sylvannas suicide, the valkyrs, the kvaldir, etc etc etc.

Mere mortals, WITHOUT ARTIFACTS, without EMPOWERING ANYTHING, just a single leader using 1 artifact, we defeated the greatest "ENEMY" of Azeroth at that time....
Fuck dude, even KillJaeden was "REPELED" to the Nether not full killed. Sorry, for me WoTLK was so bad, they fucked up the best plotline just for future lore.

The scourge deserved more...

[Houle]

Ahh a typical darkoms thread again, where he puts out an opinion he knows is in the minority, simply to start fights and prove how much of a lore-guy he is. Its getting rather boring at this point.
The scourge might be over-rated in a sense that some people consider it as big and powerful as the Legion was. Ofc thats not true, bc the legion had centuries to form, and many, MANY planets under control.
But in itself, the threat of the scourge is gigantic. It was stated countless times ingame that the scourge could over-run literally anything, if the Lich King decided to do so. Both Ner'zhul and Arthas (and Bolvar obviously) never unleashed their full might. Some dev stated so somewhere, if you look around youll find it.
We have never faced of against a scourge that was really trying to kill us all.
Ner'zhul didn't wipe out everyone bc he needed the people of Azeroth to defeat the Legion and Archimonde at Hyjal, and afterwards he had to stop Kil'jaedens revenge against him in the form of Illidan. Arthas didnt kill us all bc he wanted the best champions of Azeroth as his most powerful commanders, so he let us slaughter through the scourge to prove our strength, to be certain we were the most pwoerful dudes on the planet. Bolvars single purpose was to stop the scourge from killing everything.
So, saying the scourge isnt one of the biggest threats on Azeroth is just ignoring pretty much all of their lore.

[Kyphael]

Nice try, Scourge and Legion are the most fearsome threats Azeroth's ever faced and define the game, in lore and outside of it.

[Frinata]

If you were talking about the Scourge when it first showed up in Warcraft III, I'd give you that. They were push overs due to their confined space.

But you're talking about the Scourge at their prime, in Wrath of the Lich King, and that just won't fly.


The first thing I'll talk about is the Light, because inexplicably, this has been apart of your arguement as to why the Scourge is over-rated. You keep stacking the deck with more and more arguements to support your case, without really doing anything to actually support your case. What-aboutisms isn't a sound arguement strategy, because all it does is shift the focus away to other aspects. The issue with that is eventually, that line of thinking either ends with all possible 'what about...?' lines being awnsered, and your arguement over, or you just keep going until you reach "Well what about the hearthstone you get for free when you make a character?", and the arguement has lost all traction.

The Light is a force within the world, divine in it's energy, and worshipped as if it were a god. Is it confirmed to be a god? Not nessecarily. Religion in WoW has been portrayed that the focus point of the religion doesn't have to meet real world religious contexts. Where as Christianity's God is an omnipotent, all powerful being, Wow's gods are far more flawed, and susceptible to the whims of Mortals. The Light grants it's power to all those that believe. Their belief might be flawed, but it's the belief that matters. Sometimes, the Light DOES refuse to awnser, and power is not given so freely. Most cases, that just means the would be follower moves on, but there are cases of the Light being forced to bend to the user's will. The Blood Knights of the Blood Elves are notorious cases for this. Archbishop Benedictus could as well be considered this as well. This goes to show that the Light is just as flawed as the other gods in World of Warcraft.

And before you try and defend the Light by saying "If it's a God it shouldn't..." Stop. You yourself likened the Light in it's 'supposed' godhood to other gods such as the Loa, whom have CANONICLY died. If they can bleed, they can suffer alot more mortal issues as well, such as corruption. Hireek, a Loa God, for example, was corrupted by the Old Gods. Ysera, a Dragon Aspect, was corrupted by the Nightmare (Albeit with aid from the corrupted Tears of Elune, a Titan Artifact), The Ashbringer, a weapon forged in the light, that with but a wave of it's blade, could render hundreads of Undead to dust, was corrupted by the very forces it was forged to destroy. There is no being on Azeroth, AZEROTH INCLUDED, that is immune to corruption, be it the Scourge, Old Gods, or otherwise. The Titanforged and Earthen warriors were meant to be immune to the Old Gods, and the Titan's awnser to their corruption, and the Old Gods literally just said "No." and bestowed upon them the Curse of Flesh, stripping them of that immunity.

To get slightly more on topic, though. The Light is Worshiped like it were a God. Regardless otherwise, it is the focus of Religion, and fits the definitions of a God on a literal level.

The Lich King is one of the few bosses that have CANONICLY defeated us, or killed us. The other boss that comes to memory that has, is Argus, who has canonicly killed our character, and we get brought back to life during the fight by the Titans. The Lich King's entire goal was to goad our characters to becoming as strong as they can be, that way we become HIS Champions. He actually lets you onto his plan if you're on the Shadowmourne questline. He will often whisper the player on that questline, saying things akin to "Yes, more souls, feed your weapon more souls, they will soon be mine once again" and things like that. He WANTS you to be strong, because when he does kill you and raise you, all that power, is now his to focus and point.

Another point to this regard is a voice line of his when we're fighting him. "Bah, you gnats actually hurt me... Perhaps I have toyed with you long enough. Taste the fury of the grave!" Or something to that effect, showing that during the entire fight, he's holding back.

The Scourge, individually, are push overs. But the problem arises when they get numbers. Let's think of them for now like wasps. One wasp is annoying, it'll sting and it hurts, but you can deal with it real easy. Swat it, and it's down, stomp on it, it's dead, threat's over. But if you disturb the hive, you're literally going to die, because there'll be too many for you to deal with. It's the same with the Scourge, in small numbers, they're easy to contain, but in greater numbers, no force can match it. Arthas was holding them back because of his intended plan. He was going for a master stroke, thinking not only of Azeroth, but the forces beyond, as well.

The Alliance and Horde would never of been able to defeat the Scourge proper. Alot of their victories over the Scourge were token victories, the innate problem that they faced was both their low numbers, and inability to put aside their grudges and hatreds. They were so unwilling to work with one another, that when Yogg'saron awoke, Varian literally walked away from the table once it was shown that the Horde were going to be there as well, and the Horde felt insulted enough to simmilarily walk. If it weren't for the Ashen Verdict (Argent Crusade and Knights of the Ebon Blade), nothing could of been done proper. The Alliance and Horde individually learnt that no force either of them could raise would ever of been enough to deal with the Scourge, let alone Arthas.

So, yeah. The Scourge is not over-rated. If anything, it's underrated. With the sheer ammount of numbers they accrued by the end of Wotlk, it was no wonder that a frenzied and out of control Scourge would pose such a larger threat to the world. Arthas held them back, but without that control, they'd just wash over the world.

[darkoms]

Dude, if you played at Wrath pre event you know Scourge and overated should never be placed on the same phrase. Blizzard had to hard reset it because it destroyed the game.

It's a pandemic, worst than Corona that when you die, which is only a matter of time, you become part of.

No threat Azeroth ever faced is worst than it.

Giant Swords and Edgy Dragons may rip the planet apart but a plague that spreads and turn you into zombie, that's the real apocalyptic shit.

Here it is, the generation that grew up on zombie movies.
I assure you, the army of demons or Lovecraftian monsters are much worse than the zombies.

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Ahh a typical darkoms thread again, where he puts out an opinion he knows is in the minority, simply to start fights and prove how much of a lore-guy he is. Its getting rather boring at this point.
The scourge might be over-rated in a sense that some people consider it as big and powerful as the Legion was. Ofc thats not true, bc the legion had centuries to form, and many, MANY planets under control.
But in itself, the threat of the scourge is gigantic. It was stated countless times ingame that the scourge could over-run literally anything, if the Lich King decided to do so. Both Ner'zhul and Arthas (and Bolvar obviously) never unleashed their full might. Some dev stated so somewhere, if you look around youll find it.
We have never faced of against a scourge that was really trying to kill us all.
Ner'zhul didn't wipe out everyone bc he needed the people of Azeroth to defeat the Legion and Archimonde at Hyjal, and afterwards he had to stop Kil'jaedens revenge against him in the form of Illidan. Arthas didnt kill us all bc he wanted the best champions of Azeroth as his most powerful commanders, so he let us slaughter through the scourge to prove our strength, to be certain we were the most pwoerful dudes on the planet. Bolvars single purpose was to stop the scourge from killing everything.
So, saying the scourge isnt one of the biggest threats on Azeroth is just ignoring pretty much all of their lore.

Ahhhh, again a man who constantly demonstrates his ignorance in the lore and constantly loses to me all disputes and therefore hates me. I'm tired of repeating to you. Read. Chronicles It says in plain text that the Lich King knew that he could not capture Azeroth by force and that the Alliance and the Horde together could defeat the Scourge. So, please, stop using this stupid argument that Arthas could easily capture Azeroth if he wanted to. He could not. And he knew that.
I have not been here for several months and you still have not read the Chronicles. Is this some kind of boycott against Blizzard or are you just too lazy to learn something newer than Wotlk?

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Nice try, Scourge and Legion are the most fearsome threats Azeroth's ever faced and define the game, in lore and outside of it.

Deathwing was far more dangerous than the Scourge, lol

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If you were talking about the Scourge when it first showed up in Warcraft III, I'd give you that. They were push overs due to their confined space.

But you're talking about the Scourge at their prime, in Wrath of the Lich King, and that just won't fly.


The first thing I'll talk about is the Light, because inexplicably, this has been apart of your arguement as to why the Scourge is over-rated. You keep stacking the deck with more and more arguements to support your case, without really doing anything to actually support your case. What-aboutisms isn't a sound arguement strategy, because all it does is shift the focus away to other aspects. The issue with that is eventually, that line of thinking either ends with all possible 'what about...?' lines being awnsered, and your arguement over, or you just keep going until you reach "Well what about the hearthstone you get for free when you make a character?", and the arguement has lost all traction.

The Light is a force within the world, divine in it's energy, and worshipped as if it were a god. Is it confirmed to be a god? Not nessecarily. Religion in WoW has been portrayed that the focus point of the religion doesn't have to meet real world religious contexts. Where as Christianity's God is an omnipotent, all powerful being, Wow's gods are far more flawed, and susceptible to the whims of Mortals. The Light grants it's power to all those that believe. Their belief might be flawed, but it's the belief that matters. Sometimes, the Light DOES refuse to awnser, and power is not given so freely. Most cases, that just means the would be follower moves on, but there are cases of the Light being forced to bend to the user's will. The Blood Knights of the Blood Elves are notorious cases for this. Archbishop Benedictus could as well be considered this as well. This goes to show that the Light is just as flawed as the other gods in World of Warcraft.

And before you try and defend the Light by saying "If it's a God it shouldn't..." Stop. You yourself likened the Light in it's 'supposed' godhood to other gods such as the Loa, whom have CANONICLY died. If they can bleed, they can suffer alot more mortal issues as well, such as corruption. Hireek, a Loa God, for example, was corrupted by the Old Gods. Ysera, a Dragon Aspect, was corrupted by the Nightmare (Albeit with aid from the corrupted Tears of Elune, a Titan Artifact), The Ashbringer, a weapon forged in the light, that with but a wave of it's blade, could render hundreads of Undead to dust, was corrupted by the very forces it was forged to destroy. There is no being on Azeroth, AZEROTH INCLUDED, that is immune to corruption, be it the Scourge, Old Gods, or otherwise. The Titanforged and Earthen warriors were meant to be immune to the Old Gods, and the Titan's awnser to their corruption, and the Old Gods literally just said "No." and bestowed upon them the Curse of Flesh, stripping them of that immunity.

To get slightly more on topic, though. The Light is Worshiped like it were a God. Regardless otherwise, it is the focus of Religion, and fits the definitions of a God on a literal level.

The Lich King is one of the few bosses that have CANONICLY defeated us, or killed us. The other boss that comes to memory that has, is Argus, who has canonicly killed our character, and we get brought back to life during the fight by the Titans. The Lich King's entire goal was to goad our characters to becoming as strong as they can be, that way we become HIS Champions. He actually lets you onto his plan if you're on the Shadowmourne questline. He will often whisper the player on that questline, saying things akin to "Yes, more souls, feed your weapon more souls, they will soon be mine once again" and things like that. He WANTS you to be strong, because when he does kill you and raise you, all that power, is now his to focus and point.

Another point to this regard is a voice line of his when we're fighting him. "Bah, you gnats actually hurt me... Perhaps I have toyed with you long enough. Taste the fury of the grave!" Or something to that effect, showing that during the entire fight, he's holding back.

The Scourge, individually, are push overs. But the problem arises when they get numbers. Let's think of them for now like wasps. One wasp is annoying, it'll sting and it hurts, but you can deal with it real easy. Swat it, and it's down, stomp on it, it's dead, threat's over. But if you disturb the hive, you're literally going to die, because there'll be too many for you to deal with. It's the same with the Scourge, in small numbers, they're easy to contain, but in greater numbers, no force can match it. Arthas was holding them back because of his intended plan. He was going for a master stroke, thinking not only of Azeroth, but the forces beyond, as well.

The Alliance and Horde would never of been able to defeat the Scourge proper. Alot of their victories over the Scourge were token victories, the innate problem that they faced was both their low numbers, and inability to put aside their grudges and hatreds. They were so unwilling to work with one another, that when Yogg'saron awoke, Varian literally walked away from the table once it was shown that the Horde were going to be there as well, and the Horde felt insulted enough to simmilarily walk. If it weren't for the Ashen Verdict (Argent Crusade and Knights of the Ebon Blade), nothing could of been done proper. The Alliance and Horde individually learnt that no force either of them could raise would ever of been enough to deal with the Scourge, let alone Arthas.

So, yeah. The Scourge is not over-rated. If anything, it's underrated. With the sheer ammount of numbers they accrued by the end of Wotlk, it was no wonder that a frenzied and out of control Scourge would pose such a larger threat to the world. Arthas held them back, but without that control, they'd just wash over the world.

Again. Light is power, even if someone considers him a god. Light has no mind and no will. The Blood Knights pumped out the Light from Naaru, and Benedict, the SERVANT OF OLD GODS AND VOID, could use the Light with the help of willpower, but you say that the fact is that the Light is a bad god? Tell me, why would God, good or bad, allow his sworn enemy to use his power? Your argument does not hold water.

Loa is the demigods and what does it have to do with it? You Arthas fans are trying to make Arthas so great and dangerous that the Light, the god of all Warcraft, decided to intervene personally and save Tyrion, only to stop Arthas. This is nonsense. In the Chronicles it is even written that Tyrion broke his fetters. It was not the Light that intervened and set him free, but Tyrion broke his fetters. Do you know why? Because Tyrion is a paladin and he can use the Light. Light is simply energy, even if Tyrion believes that it is some kind of higher being. Otherwise, any action of Malfurion is a divine intervention of Life, and any action of Khadgar is a divine intervention of Arcana.

Illidan defeated the heroes in the game and was ready to kill them, but Maiev saved them. Barosh Ashbury in Cataclysm heals heroes when they have low health so that he can continue to torment them.

You can’t even imagine how tired of this stupid argument that Arthas was playing with us. Read the Chronicles. It says that the Lich King fought with all his fury and it was a long and difficult battle. Oh my god, how many more people do I need to tell them to read the Chronicles? Or are quests and battle from the game from 2009 a greater canon than the Chronicles from 2017?

Again. It is written in the Chronicles that Arthas held back the Scourge because he knew that it would be pointless not to hold her back and he would not be able to capture Azeroth by force. Again. In the Chronicles it is written that the defeat of Kel'Thuzad put Arthas's plan on the brink of failure and he was saved by the intervention of Malygos and the fact that the Alliance and Horde turned their attention to the blue dragons. Again. The Chronicles say that together the Alliance and the Horde could defeat Scourge and that they could stop the Lich King’s threat in the Battle of Wrathgate, but this did not happen due to the intervention of the Forsaken.

Read. Chronicles. I'm tired of correcting you.

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No seriously, guys, how many of you reading the Chronicles? Why should I constantly repeat the same thing because you can’t read either the Chronicles or my first post?

[Lyssander]

Scourge barely managed to control one zone. The whole "there must always be a Lich King" thing was one of the biggest lore fails in WoW.

[matrix123mko]

Arthas is literally the only villain that needed a literal divine intervention to help defeat him

Because it is not that titans helped us defeat Argus.

[Kyphael]

Deathwing was far more dangerous than the Scourge, lol

Yeah but his legacy is a joke so in the grand scheme of things, it's not remembered fondly.

[ThatsOurEric]

Long story short, no they aren't, and a lot of OP's points are full of it. Move along folks, nothing to see here.