Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
btw
https://twitter.com/DaveKosak/status/672523313189548032
arcane and fel are soooo different that they are in the same spectrum...
i did make myself clear, but there are people who refuse to acknowledge a thing said because they are to busy trying to dismiss other statements with nonsense babbling.
everything you said that "i meant to say" was a lie, i never said orcs are innocent neither fel is arcane, if you are just going with your "sarcastic extrapolations" fueled with bias, why are you even commenting at all?
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other who studied in the school of exaggeration and extrapolation, no one said they are the same thing
"Fel is language of chaos, arcane is language of order. Same spectrum, opposite ends!"
Hmmm, looky there, "opposite ends". And not only that https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chaos. Antonyms for chaos include order. That means the two words are opposites!
Let's look up "opposite" while I'm on MW. https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/opposite
How astonishing, similar is an antonym for opposite!
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If people didn't understand you, then no, you didn't make yourself clear.
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Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
funny that just a select group of alliance players that seems to not understand me, or other who said something similar, that is so strange.
they are in the same spectrumHmmm, looky there, "opposite ends". And not only that https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chaos. Antonyms for chaos include order. That means the two words are opposites!
And they can do a lot of the same things, thats why i said they are similar
but seems that you guys are too far into nitpicking thinking we are saying they are exactly the same for some reason
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Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
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Dimensius was the avatar of a Void Lord, and was destroying K'aresh with Void magic. A byproduct of which was the ripping of dimensional boundaries that allowed Arcane energy flow in from the Twisting Nether as well - the Ethereals were able to protect themselves from the Void energies which were destroying the world, but couldn't block out the Arcane in addition, which led to their transformation to energy-beings.
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"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
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"Meanwhile, dwarves, gnomes and the ancient night elves pledged their loyalties to a reinvigorated Alliance, guided by the human kingdom of Stormwind."
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...ine/chapter-06
If the Alliance of Lordaeron and the Grand Alliance were the same organization, the dwarves and gnomes wouldn't need to pledge themselves to the reinvigorated Alliance.
Also, the description makes it clear that Stormwind founded this new alliance. First of all, it's referred to as "an Alliance" (generic term, it's one of the several alliances that were formed after the one from Lordaeron fell -- another example is the New Alliance of Garithos), and not "the Alliance of Lordaeron". Then, it just says that it's "guided by Stormwind", whereas if it were the Alliance of Lordaeron it should've said "now guided by Stormwind", since Stormwind wasn't the leader of the Alliance of Lordaeron.
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The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
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Despite you not being able to respond... I think this is dependent on how we're defining the term "faction"
I say "unused" because the game doesn't bring in the other orc clans except when looking at alternate timelines... Warsong and Frostwolf entities were a thing and remained factions to grind rep in but limited to BG entities. Shattered hand wound up as the rogue/spy association under Orgrimmar. Burning Blade was the warlock group Thrall had his eyes on.... Far Striders are still the main ranger fighting force of Quel'thalas and I don't think anyone would be surprised at any racial faction having their own regiments of forces to call upon for some sort of formal recognition...
I don't see how these groups are any less a "faction" than say the Silver Hand, which mind you, does NOT have any sort of formal set up players can associate with except for the paladin players (who are exclusively alliance now post BFA since the arathi warfront implies they took a side and it doesn't include sun walkers or blood knights anymore)
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as for seven kingdoms alliance of lordaeron and Stormwind's "Alliance" I think it's safe to assume they are different entities. The problem then comes in when various parties want to posture for who is more right on given subjects and then argue their absolved from because it wasn't "them".
Really though, the story just goes to shit when every major organization keeps using the same names and it's almost the same people making up the groups. alliance of Lordaeron had high elves but the Grand alliance traded them out for night elves... and the story can't keep elf lore straight without retconning a major character or three.
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They Draenais are going crazy because of the Orcs genociding them, so you can't say that the Draenai are violent by nature like the Orcs are, which WoD showed us. It takes one person to tell them something and they go all "let's conquer and genocide them" mode. We can also see in BFA that the Orcs and the Horde in a whole does not step back from genocide one bit. Thrall was the only chance that the Orcs could've redeemed themselves with his new Horde, but that didn't work out.
Draenei might not be quite as violent as orcs, but I'd say they are even more dangerous due to their longevity and thirst for power, as seen in WoD the younger generations had quite a few members that were all too willing to sell out their people, to get a shot at joining the legion in order to claim their birthright as master race.
And speaking in general the vast majority of the species embraced the ways of the legion willingly, the draenei are most certainly not the norm for their people, but rather the exception, much like the frost wolves are for the orcs.
Seeing how easily draenai fall to sargeras look sargerai in AU draenor and how huge part the eredar are from their race so they the peaceful ones are rare and later on in bfa yrel shows that draenai doesn't justify by their genociding the orcs by any other way but that "Light tells us all who don't follow it are evil or supposed to be killed and even them making families turn against family making brother kill brother.
while in WoD elements and ancestors showed that azerothian races would enslave them in interment camps making cruel arcane experments on them, forcing family to kill family and all the rest shit they did there and them him being correct about Gul'dan scheems and legion backing Gul'dan. being correct about these two things can easily make him seens as prophet and he had the title so him even saying draenais are evil and wanted conquer them (which was proven right in au draenor in bfa) would be beliavable as orcs had treated draenais with extreme suspicion after they draenais defeated highmaul ogres.
So it seems to be rule in draenais/eredar race to follow magical force which seeks to enforce they will trhough out the cosmos killing anyone who doesn't follow them.
and horde had legitimate reason to start the war in bfa and bfa novels make it a point to say most ors grew up in interment camps and remember how they were treated there and seeing how varian acted when he was treated in gladiatorial arenas its hundred worse how there children were treated in interment camps and thrall could easily place it on all blackmoore and but not any other orcs and seeing how thrall thinks of blackmoore could easily translate to how all orcs who grew up in interment camps think of humans as they have proven no different.
So you admit that it takes some "prophet" showing some visions and telling one thing to the Orcs so they start genociding again? There is a huge difference between defending yourself or going total apeshit insane and start "conquering" again, it's wrong and that's the point, it doesn't take a lot to get Orcs to kill.
I am not even getting into the debate of the draenei being inherently evil or putting them on the same pedestal as the ereder, since the mental gymnastics you've shown already about this topic is enough for me to see that it does not bring you or me further. Also if the Horde had a legitimate reason to start a war, is something you can start to talk about in another thread, so not going to derail this one any further. The only thing I gotta say is that the Alliance had to stand again in front of Orgrimmar, lol. And the poor dindu' Orcs being mistreated in the internment camps is nothing compared to the stuff they've pulled in Stormwind, they can be happy not be killed on the spot after losing the war.
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This might be, but with the AU Draenei I could at least see a reason for them going fanatical against anything which isn't willingly joining the Light, they have seen the Horros of genocide and the burning legion on their doorstep, I wouldn't say that they have the same violent tendency as the Orcs.