Should China be forced to pay reparations to the world for damages from the virus?

[Lenonis]

what kind of precedent would that set?

This.

Any American who is ranting about the Chinese paying for the damage they did to the world needs to go sit in a corner and think about things like:
- Nuclear bombs
- 2008 economic crash
- Just about the entire middle east

[Grimbold21]

Its not China's fault that the West was too stupid and unprepared for the virus. Look at Singapore, South Korea and Japan. They dealt with it perfectly.

The problem is not china. The problem is that the US, Italy, Spain etc did nothing to prepare.

"Even though the problem was our doing, it's not our fault you didn't prepare for it!"

[Low Hanging Fruit]

I mean the reality of all this is most western nations fly way to by the seat of their pants when it comes to perpetration mostly because of money. Not that they don't have the money, but more that the people in charge like to have the money instead of it sitting in say a warehouse in the form of inventory for supplies for when things like this occur. Also, I think a major sense of "this only happens to them" kind of mentality kind of washed over the west. Sure, we did have a few more minor outbreaks occur that started in Asia and then moved westward, but we never really got hit hard like they did. So while those countries learned, adapted, and prepared for this day after getting hit repeatedly pretty hard the west kind of just went on with business as usual. I mean not 6 months ago I could hear people laughing at people wearing face masks all the time in pictures coming from Asia. Now I am seeing it happening here almost over night in an unorganized and panic buy manner.

We just didn't take the time to prepare. If anything we had a major opportunity to look at how it went down in those nations handling it so much better today and learn from it so this day wouldn't be as bad. But like most things until it is on your doorstep and slapping you in the face usually you just write it off as it not being a problem. I mean if in the budget proposal fight last year in the US if people were trying to push in medical surplus and perpetration for 20-30 billion more dollars we would have heard outrage about "how are we going to pay for it" but since this has happened it likely will never be a problem again. But now those same people aren't batting an eye at spending 2 trillion recently and probably another one at or bigger than that level sometime in the near future. Money isn't the problem. The willingness to not just give it to insanely rich people with a lot of it already instead of having it sit statically somewhere in limbo seems to be the problem. At least when it comes to leadership.

[Rogue Karl]

"Even though the problem was our doing, it's not our fault you didn't prepare for it!"

I find the sentiment of "china did nothing wrong" a odd one to hold. Do we simply pretend they didn't crack down on medical staff and black bag reporters talking about it?

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

I find the sentiment of "china did nothing wrong" a odd one to hold. Do we simply pretend they didn't crack down on medical staff and black bag reporters talking about it?

Not to mention destroy early research data, fudge the statistics that could constitute a warning, downplay it as much as possible on the international stage trough their pressuring of the WHO, and make pouty faces when countries would bar chinese travellers from entry... as late as February...

[Themius]

No.

Why should they?

China downplayed this our intelligence agency knew in January shortly after this whole thing started. They already knew China lied.

You can't know someone is lying but then pretend they aren't, and then turn around and be like "hey you lied pay me reparations!"

It was on us to prepare once we knew but we didn't.

[The Butt Witch]

Oh look, the "Impeach the mf" people are defending China. How predictable!

[JohnBrown1917]

Oh look, the "Impeach the mf" people are defending China. How predictable!

I though you guys love the whole personal responsibility thing?

[NED funded]

We dug our own tomb wrt this when for some god forsaken reason countries decided to let China join the WTO and the rest of international orgs

Not much to do except get over it and realize those orgs are nothing more than useless bodies in the long term

[Grapemask]

"Even though the problem was our doing, it's not our fault you didn't prepare for it!"

Is it their doing?

China didn't purposefully make the virus. Viruses happen.

China didn't make anyone respond the way they did. If not for the fact that some of these "THIS IS ALL CHINA'S FAULT" people are outside of the US, I'd think that they're victims of our own Fox News. Because at least that would make sense. As far as the viewers of Fox News are concerned, this virus was all a hoax until March, then suddenly it became real, and why didn't China tell us anything about it until March?

Meanwhile, despite all the "China didn't tell us how bad this was!" craziness, we can simply go to Google, hamfist "coronavirus" into the search box, date range it to December and January... and find that literally every virologist on Earth was talking about this being a major problem all the way back in December and January. Fox News, Donald Trump, and all the crazies of the internet can lie, but timestamps don't. China could have been screaming red alert as loud as can be, but it's hard to believe that would matter when we were even ignoring the experts until March.

[JohnBrown1917]

We dug our own tomb wrt this when for some god forsaken reason countries decided to let China join the WTO and the rest of international orgs

Not much to do except get over it and realize those orgs are nothing more than useless bodies in the long term

The whole point of international orgs is that all countries are part of them. Or did you forgot China holds more than 1/6th of the world pop?

[NED funded]

The whole point of international orgs is that all countries are part of them.

Thats not true at all : /

Plenty of international orgs that don't involve certain countries. The main reason being that they are bad faith actors like China has been

[Grimbold21]

Is it their doing?

China didn't purposefully make the virus. Viruses happen.

China didn't make anyone respond the way they did. If not for the fact that some of these "THIS IS ALL CHINA'S FAULT" people are outside of the US, I'd think that they're victims of our own Fox News. Because at least that would make sense. As far as the viewers of Fox News are concerned, this virus was all a hoax until March, then suddenly it became real, and why didn't China tell us anything about it until March?

Meanwhile, despite all the "China didn't tell us how bad this was!" craziness, we can simply go to Google, hamfist "coronavirus" into the search box, date range it to December and January... and find that literally every virologist on Earth was talking about this being a major problem all the way back in December and January. Fox News, Donald Trump, and all the crazies of the internet can lie, but timestamps don't. China could have been screaming red alert as loud as can be, but it's hard to believe that would matter when we were even ignoring the experts until March.

The origin of the virus has been tied to the commerce & consumption of exotic animals that have been known to be carrier of viruses.

[Deletedaccount1]

Its not China's fault that the West was too stupid and unprepared for the virus. Look at Singapore, South Korea and Japan. They dealt with it perfectly.

The problem is not china. The problem is that the US, Italy, Spain etc did nothing to prepare.

Japan had to delay the Olympics which was the most anticipated event in that country in decades. I can't find it for sure but I would imagine at least 90% of Japanese hate China lividly right now.

[Breccia]

Oh look, the "Impeach the mf" people are defending China. How predictable!

Nope. I'm protecting America. Re-read my post. Or, more likely, actually read my post the first time.

[PC2]

No because China is only guilty of negligence in a vague manner and there's no way to measure the damages for reparation. Highly subjective forms of punishment are to be avoided.

[Grapemask]

The origin of the virus has been tied to the commerce & consumption of exotic animals that have been known to be carrier of viruses.

At best, we could say their culture may have helped this virus make the jump, but that doesn't make China responsible. We also don't blame any of the countries of the world for the millions of strains of colds, flus, and other diseases that mutate and/or jump species throughout the year. As the US's coronavirus-deniers like to point to this being just a tough flu, it's worth pointing out that the flus that kill thousands of people every year are new mutations that started somewhere too. Viruses happen.

[Aenigma84]

The two worst responses in the world to the virus came from Trump and Boris Johnson respectively. Both show increased support in polls.

People are just too fucking stupid to learn anything from this.

why would those 2 be the worse responses ? i would think the chinese delay was way worse
or the fact that sweden stil didnt lockdown wich could end in a disaster
and the netherlands where doing the same thing as boris at the start to asfar as i know

[Egomaniac]

Let's just assume for a moment that you could "force" China to pay reparations

Here's your choice:

1) Punish China
2) Get the Economy running smoothly as quick as possible after this all cools down.

You can't have both.

People should be more concerned with how their own governments are handling this.

[Grimbold21]

At best, we could say their culture may have helped this virus make the jump, but that doesn't make China responsible. We also don't blame any of the countries of the world for the millions of strains of colds, flus, and other diseases that mutate and/or jump species throughout the year. As the US's coronavirus-deniers like to point to this being just a tough flu, it's worth pointing out that the flus that kill thousands of people every year are new mutations that started somewhere too. Viruses happen.

Except in this case one may able to possibly trace the origin & exacerbation of the virus to a respective practice and pattern.