Honestly these "lockdown" measures are pretty much a targeted genocide at this point. They're going to kill mroe people than COVID itself.
Absolutely. There's a lot of movement between the two countries, but I'm fairly sure things kicked off in Belgium before they did in the Netherlands (with the possible exception of Brabant). For the most part it seems like the cases--and late responses--have lagged behind what has happened in Belgium. Acid can confirm or correct me.
Also, there's little love lost between southern Netherlands and Belgium, so unless there's an official record I'm sure both will blame the other regardless.
(Take this as an example of the extent of the animosity: Dutch ambulance carrying coronavirus patient forced to pay €6 toll in Belgium)
Last edited by Benggaul; 2020-04-02 at 08:55 PM.
Yeah but I doubt people will starve because of it. At leas not in western countries.
Yes, we all will feel the effects and will have to forego the odd luxuy.
Small price to pay in order to save a decent chunk of our countrymen.... and women... and those that identify as Apache battlehelicopters.
The US will probably do a lot better than most countries when it comes to getting back on its economic feet.
Give it a month before getting doom-and-gloom...
I mean some people thought that the US was headed for worst case scenario with over 3 million dead. That's a number that's not even in the ballpark now.
Without lockdowns you would soon be seeing people die everywhere, even right on the streets.
The amount of deaths would lead to lockdowns anyway. Better sooner than later. Deal with it.
If you need help with your mental health, I'm sure there are phone numbers you can call.
Jesus, you're just getting desperate. Air flow follows the path of least resistance, which means that air, including infectious particles, will tend to be inhaled from around the edges of a surgical mask, rather than directly through the mask, due to a lack of fit and seal. This is simple physics.
I have no doubt that some fit better than others. But none are designed to seal, so they will still leak, drastically reducing their effectiveness. And how are you going to make sure everyone gets one that fits better? Or that people will even bother to learn how to fit them, let alone bother to actually do so? Whereas now you have that many people who will, per human nature, think it's safe to start ignoring distancing rules "because they're wearing a mask, and a mask is supposed to protect them"?
There are many reasons why masks are only called for if you are or have reason to believe you are symptomatic.
Neato. Not sure I'm supposed to be convinced by your word. Source?
Seriously, how can I get this through to you. Those percentages apply to air that passes through the material of the mask, it does not take into account the fit and/or seal of the mask. You keep repeating your assertion falsely.
...and surgical masks are a lot less effective than even that.
Which is what I've been saying ad nauseam.
Not to be a nudge, but... source?
What a massive fucking strawman you've built here. I've never, not once, said that there was zero benefit. Merely that the benefit was minimal, and would most likely be undone by human nature.
Not a single person, outside someone who was looking to specifically pick a fight, would read my statement as incorrectly as you seem to have.
We know that it's not always spherical, that sometimes it's longer and sometimes much, much longer, both of which will be more likely to be filtered by a given rating of material, which was the point of the initial statement.
But again, my ultimate point was that the size of the virion is immaterial, because the real issue isn't the permeability of surgical mask materials.
"The difference between stupidity
and genius is that genius has its limits."
--Alexandre Dumas-fils
We acted sooner, when we went on full lock down they did not. We ended up having to close borders to stop them coming here for random reasons. Benelux are not that intertwined. I mean i work there and live in Belgium but it's still very much two different countries.
@Benggaul heard the statement from De Croo? He said in a conference call with other EU ministers the Dutch one said, they are on the same curve as Italy.
To add to this, there are online therapy programs available...even ones addressing issues related to COVID-19 and the lockdowns. I would link one but I think it might be against the rules to do so, so if anyone needs someone to talk to shoot me a PM and I'll send you the link.