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    I can't help but notice Trump hasn't used the word "Easter" much recently.

    I know I normally report on the failure that is Trump's containment of the virus as a death count about 12:30AM, but, it's nearly +1,000 from then already. What's more noteworthy is the new cases outside NYC are proportionately MUCH higher this time.

    As y'all know, NYC and NYState locked down relatively early, but, there is still spreading in the state. When I came back from Spring Break there were still no cases in my upstate county. Last week it was 13. Now it's 26. My county is filled mostly with
    1) a federal prison
    2) a hospital, and
    3) farmers.

    It's also disproportionately old and poor compared to the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Wow, 5.3 days, well that is wow, that is bad, that is really really really bad.
    Yeah, I keep seeing people trying to squint at the numbers for signs that it's time to open back up and I'm just not seeing anything that's consistent with people's impression that we might be all set shortly. Barring something really unexpected that doesn't line up with anything we've seen elsewhere we're going to see the numbers soar pretty substantially. Even for people that are proponents of the "hammer and dance" strategy, there's not a lot of evidence that there's been a good hammer response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I can't help but notice Trump hasn't used the word "Easter" much recently.

    I know I normally report on the failure that is Trump's containment of the virus as a death count about 12:30AM, but, it's nearly +1,000 from then already. What's more noteworthy is the new cases outside NYC are proportionately MUCH higher this time.

    As y'all know, NYC and NYState locked down relatively early, but, there is still spreading in the state. When I came back from Spring Break there were still no cases in my upstate county. Last week it was 13. Now it's 26. My county is filled mostly with
    1) a federal prison
    2) a hospital, and
    3) farmers.

    It's also disproportionately old and poor compared to the country.
    Seeing that he only spells COVID19 and refuses to say that or coronavirus. I'm convinced he thinks calling things names weakens them, but using their right name makes them stronger.

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    Well at least the unemployment stimulus can't be fucked up by trump.....wait....what the fuck...


    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump...225241253.html

    Trump's Labor Department Takes A Hacksaw To Coronavirus Paid Sick Leave


    What started out as a valiant effort to provide Americans with paid sick leave during an unprecedented health care crisis has ended with a paltry measure that will barely cover anyone who is still working in the COVID-19 economy.

    On Thursday, the Department of Labor published guidelines on the new paid sick leave and family leave provisions enacted last month as part of Congress’s second coronavirus relief act.

    Now the Department of Labor has further hollowed out those provisions. It’s totally exempting the estimated 9 million people who work in the health care industry

    The new regulations give wide leeway to very small businesses, who can pretty much automatically bow out of providing longer-term leave to parents with kids at home from school.

    the leave provisions had been gutted to only include companies with fewer than 500 employees ― meaning workers at large grocery chains, who like health care sectors are expected to show up and put themselves at risk, are exempt.

    These companies can get out of that requirement if they decide it would be too burdensome to their business. All they need to do is write down that they’re taking the exemption ― and keep that written explanation on file somewhere. There’s no enforcement.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Yeah, I keep seeing people trying to squint at the numbers for signs that it's time to open back up and I'm just not seeing anything that's consistent with people's impression that we might be all set shortly. Barring something really unexpected that doesn't line up with anything we've seen elsewhere we're going to see the numbers soar pretty substantially. Even for people that are proponents of the "hammer and dance" strategy, there's not a lot of evidence that there's been a good hammer response.
    The problem is that restrictions have been applied piecemeal in an ad-hoc fashion. All states should have closed down at the same time but they didn't, and there's still places without a proper lockdown in place. And even then there's the problem of the right-wing media sphere which feeds the paranoid delusions of a big chunk of the population that this is some sort of conspiracy to take down Trump, or that at a minimum its mostly sensationalist hype and not something where they need to take action themselves to help reduce the rate of spread.

    All this means the curve isn't being bent as it should be. You can tell just by looking at the data you posted and comparing the doubling times for the various countries. It's much higher for the USA than for just about anywhere else.
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    So anyone got a Trump tweet where Trump blamed Obama for the bad ACA rollout? Anyone?

    You might wonder why I'm asking. No, you aren't.

    Websites have crashed, phones are jammed and confusion reigns as businesses rushed at today's kickoff to get their chunk of the $350 billion Paycheck Protection Program.

    This is a race to save jobs in the present and the future, and to ensure that as many workers as possible keep their benefits and paychecks during the coronavirus lockdown.

    To get every qualified business that needs a loan access to one before running out of cash.

    "Borrowers are waiting for their money but the banks' hands are tied because they can't get into the SBA's portal," Paul Merski, who heads up government relations for one of the biggest community bank advocacy groups, told Axios.

    60% of banks have not previously participated in SBA lending programs, he notes.

    Some banks and lenders, like Wells Fargo, said they wouldn’t be ready to take applications today.

    Others, like Bank of America, initially said they made the decision to only take customers who have previously taken out a loan with them to speed up the process. After a slew of outrage, it subsequently said small businesses that did not meet this requirement could deal directly with bankers to submit an application.

    Because many banks only are accepting existing business clients, and some other banks aren't processing PPP loans at all, it's likely that many small businesses will get left out because they picked the "wrong" bank years ago.
    @Zan15 probably has more info to add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    So anyone got a Trump tweet where Trump blamed Obama for the bad ACA rollout? Anyone?

    You might wonder why I'm asking. No, you aren't.



    @Zan15 probably has more info to add.
    Most of these problems on roll out of the stimulus are because the treasury, IRS and other agencies were still working on the rules, questions, clarifications and guidelines up till the second the programs were to go active. The web site problems are because a very large portion of the banks that were supposed to spearhead this process failed to get up and running.

    that drove almost everyone to two banks. The impending rush would be almost too much for any bank, yet alone any technology company to prepare for in just a few weeks if they expected to be just 1 of 100+ portals opening at 8am.





    As for that ACA...
    The web site problems were for pre-enrollment in ACA and most of the problems were fixed well before actual effective date of the plans.

    ACA started on Oct 1st for effective date Jan 1st.

    The problems with ACA lasted into Nov but they had most of the problems solved before the start date.
    it was far from perfect but it had the benefit of not going live on the first of the benefit year.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    The web site problems were for pre-enrollment in ACA and most of the problems were fixed well before actual effective date of the plans.
    That probably would not have stopped Trump from tweeting about it. As such, those Trump tweets still need to be resurrected and shoved up his fat orange ass when the same thing (or as you said, worse) happens because of him.

    Hey, I get it. This all happened kind of fast. But, if Trump really did tweet about it, then he's saying it's fair game to throw the same thing back at him. Sorry. I don't make the rules.

    By the way,

    Our Ruling

    Trump said "the $5 billion website for Obamacare … never worked. Still doesn't work." But experts say that, using the most reasonable definitions, Trump overstates the amount of money spent to create and fix healthcare.gov, and his claim that the website isn’t working -- and never did -- is debunked by the fact that millions of Americans have signed up for insurance through the site, even if some more limited glitches remain. We rate the claim False.
    Trump said that July 2015. Two months before declaring his candidacy. So, not a tweet per se, but it still counts. Trump now gets every bit of blame for this failed rollout as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nt/2938648001/

    So...I guess the "federal stockpile" isn't for Americans living in states. It's for Americans who are...federal? I'm not sure what the young lad Kushner even means.

    Good lord is there a crisis of leadership and competency when their best and brightest is a slumlord whose greatest accomplishments in life are being born to incredibly wealthy parents and marrying into another "wealthy" family. Damn, he sure earned it.
    He means that the stockpile is for him to use at his discretion, in any means that will benefit him or his father in law.
    Putin khuliyo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    He means that the stockpile is for him to use at his discretion, in any means that will benefit him or his father in law.
    I think the concern is that he'll give it to red states while blue states die.

    - - - Updated - - -

    McConnnell finally admits there will be a fourth relief bill, and says it will focus on health care.

    He did not use the word "bailout". Or "socialist".

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    This is so important for everyone to understand. This explains why Governors say: I'm not getting the supplies I need - yet @POTUS says we are sending tons of supplies: It's going from the federal govt to commercial distributors who then deliver to the highest bidder: states! https://t.co/A9jfmgBDLl
    https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/sta...323771393?s=19

    Video embedded.

    Wait! So this administration is trying the free market in an epidemic. Basically states are bidding against each other and the suppliers can sell I guess to the highest price.

    I swear these people.
    Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I think the concern is that he'll give it to red states while blue states die.
    Right.

    Benefitting his father in law
    Putin khuliyo

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    Jared Kushner’s claim that the federal ventilator stockpile is “not supposed to be states’ stockpiles” was at odds with a government website. So in an Orwellian twist, the Trump administration quickly changed the site. https://t.co/No42Gl0TmL
    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...599833602?s=19

    Can't let facts get in the way of making your son-in-law look stupid.
    Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    Trump shitshow. There is a covid virus thread for talking numbers
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...lives-n1175126

    The Trump administration's decision to let states chart their own responses to the coronavirus crisis rather than impose a national strategy will cost thousands of lives and is likely to result in an open-ended outbreak rolling across the country, a dozen public health experts told NBC News.

    The only way to win what President Donald Trump has called a war against an "invisible enemy" is to establish a unified federal command, the experts insist — something Trump has yet to do. So far, the federal government hasn't leveraged all its authority and influence to dramatically expand testing and tracing measures, ensure a sufficient supply of crucial medical equipment or require residents of all 50 states to stay at home.

    Each day that passes without such a national strategy, the experts say, will raise the ultimate U.S. death toll from COVID-19, the disease associated with the virus. Right now, there aren't enough tests and gear as states compete with one another to buy them on the open market. And there is very little ability to trace who has the virus and where it is spreading.

    The Trump administration has declined to nationalize the medical logistics system and hasn't executed a national testing strategy. Although the president likely lacks the legal authority to impose a national stay-at-home order, he has declined to urge each governor to do so. Seven states haven't imposed one, including Texas.

    The results are clear: Governors and doctors report critical shortages of gear, it remains very difficult to get tested for the virus, and some Americans still aren't heeding guidance to keep away from others.
    The actual expert quotes are in the rest of the article. Team Trump's incompetence is getting people killed.

    That is why we're discussing it here. Because nothing makes it more relevant than

    It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.
    The US has one-quarter of all cases in the world and one-tenth of all deaths in the world, both highly disproportionate by population. Trump had his chance to take this seriously early, and he did not do that. He handwaved it, he dismissed it, he blamed...hold on, it's here somewhere

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    CHINA VIRUS CHINA VIRUS CHINA VIRUS.
    Yep, there it is. He blamed China. And most importantly, he left the states scrambling with no clear direction, which is why Florida and Louisiana are growing so quickly right now despite being nowhere near NY or CA.

    Every false hope, every poor decision, every lie that passes for fact between those fat orange anti-vaxxer lips leads to Americans dying. Welcome to the Shit Show, now on tour around the nation. Last one out is stuck with the check.

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    Anyone want some Qanon coronavirus updates??

    They do make me laugh but there is a massive danger of them turning to terrorism/fascism. (given they have already done alot of real world stuff, and a few murders)..

    But it is funny....

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    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...mpression=true

    Leading by example, Trump is now recommending voluntary wearing of face masks outside.

    He won't be wearing one. If we have another solar eclipse he can look at that without eye protection or a mask!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    recommending!
    A recommendation has the same effect as a degree from Trump University. Neither has any legal standing and both will be shut down.

    - - - Updated - - -

    So Trump has been saying that we need to slow the exports of masks outside the country, and 3M will have none of that. Specifically, they warn that halting exports, including humanitarian exports, will likely backfire and we'll get less imports ourselves.

    "This is a trade war," 3M didn't say but I'm pretending they did, "you'd think you'd be up to speed on those by now."

  18. #38518
    Lol Bernie Trump strikes again..

    Biggest supporter of socialism and national healthcare...TRUMP

    So this is what the 10th thing him and his party said they would never do..but now have...in the last month??


    Promises the federal govt will pay all medical cost for virus for uninsured.....

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...treatment.html


    But still no open enrollment for ACA...lol
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Trump claims the military was "literally" out of ammunition when he took office... lol

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    And we're already seeing approval for Trump's handling of the coronavirus outbreak dropping.

    Really isn't going to reverse, either, when all those body bags start hitting the news. For those non-scientific types out there, remember some states haven't even started locking down yet.

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