Mississippi Celebrates Traitors with "Confederate Heritage Month"

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https://thehill.com/changing-america...erate-heritage

Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves signed two pieces of paper at the beginning of April: one issuing a statewide stay at home order as the number of COVID-19 cases topped 1,000; and another, a proclamation designating the month as Confederate Heritage Month.

The second went largely unreported until two days later, when the Jackson Free Press picked it up. It wasn't unprecedented for a state with the Confederate battle flag in its state flag and already celebrates Confederate Memorial Day on the last Monday of April. The state has made similar proclamations before, including under its last governor, Phil Bryant, in 2016. The second southern state to secede from the United States in 1861, Mississippi fought under the Confederate flag in the American Civil War, which officially began in April of that year.

"As we honor all who lost their lives in this war, it is important for all Americans to reflect upon our nation's past, to gain insight from our mistakes and successes, and to come to a full understanding that the lessons learned yesterday and today will carry us through tomorrow if we carefully and earnestly strive to understand and appreciate our heritage and our opportunities which life before us," reads the proclamation Gov. Reeves signed on April 3.

The Mississippi branch of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV), which Reeves was a member of and whose members have claimed the Civil War was not fought over slavery, shared the order on their Facebook page, saying, "God bless the Confederate Soldier. He shall never be forgotten. Deo Vindice!" Deo Vindice, which means "with god as our defender/protector," was the national motto of the Confederate States.

Many historians reject the claim by SCV and others that the Civil War had little to nothing to do with the issue of slavery.

"In 1861, they were very clear on what the causes of the war were. The reason there was no compromise possible was that people in the country could not agree over the wisdom of the continued and expanding enslavement of millions of African Americans," Stephanie McCurry, a history professor at Columbia University, has told the Washington Post.

The issue of slavery has been well recorded as a sticking point in the lead-up to the Civil War. In fact, a proposed amendment to the Constitution would have allowed slavery to continue without federal interference in the states where it already existed, but slaveholding states refused the compromise because it would prohibit the establishment of slavery in new territories.

“Lincoln could have avoided the Civil War if he had agreed to compromise on the nonextension of slavery, but that was one thing Lincoln refused to compromise on, and rightly so,” Manisha Sinha, a historian at the University of Connecticut, told the New York Times.

Are there any other nations where traitors like the Confederacy are still celebrated? Not going to get into the racial topics and slavery since that's too easy to go into forbidden topics, but even aside from that aspect this is completely batshit crazy to me.

I'm glad Mississippi is focusing on priorities in light of a global pandemic, though.

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[Gestopft]

If it wasn't for the Civil Rights Act(s) being forced down their throat at the federal level, Mississippi still wouldn't have them today. How long would it have been before they got rid of slavery of their own accord?

[We are covfefe]

Why this country still has a significant population that openly supports traitors is beyond me.

[Theodarzna]

https://thehill.com/changing-america...erate-heritage



Are there any other nations where traitors like the Confederacy are still celebrated? Not going to get into the racial topics and slavery since that's too easy to go into forbidden topics, but even aside from that aspect this is completely batshit crazy to me.

I'm glad Mississippi is focusing on priorities in light of a global pandemic, though.

Well, Scotland gets to celebrate rebellion against the English Crown and its not unheard of for them to valorize say William Wallace, as does Wales get to celebrate Owain Glyndor; so it isn't as if there isn't some area where trying to throw off a ruler and despite that uprising failing, the celebration isn't some forbidden thing. Both are nominally some form of treason, in the case of Wallace he was I believe executed for treason and Owain Glyndor would have been had he ever been captured/found by English authorities.

So yes, the UK is a nation were treason gets celebrated.

[rayvio]

would've been far more sensible and less controversial to make it a "Civil War Remembrance" and commemorate the people from both sides

[D Luniz]

Well, Scotland gets to celebrate rebellion against the English Crown and its not unheard of for them to valorize say William Wallace, as does Wales get to celebrate Owain Glyndor; so it isn't as if there isn't some area where trying to throw off a ruler and despite that uprising failing, the celebration isn't some forbidden thing. Both are nominally some form of treason, in the case of Wallace he was I believe executed for treason and Owain Glyndor would have been had he ever been captured/found by English authorities.

So yes, the UK is a nation were treason gets celebrated.

To be fair, Scotland was a nation before, and then was conquered by England. The southern states don't have that history. They joined willingly, and then attacked their neighbors cause they couldn't get their way in the framework they agreed to when they joined.

[breadisfunny]

government should just strip federal funding for any state that does this shit. celebrating an act of treason. and for good measure toss the governors in prison and charge them with treason.

[Polyxo]

If it wasn't for the Civil Rights Act(s) being forced down their throat at the federal level, Mississippi still wouldn't have them today. How long would it have been before they got rid of slavery of their own accord?

If left to their own devices, the south would have Jim Crow back in a few months, and slavery back in a few years, today.

[Theodarzna]

To be fair, Scotland was a nation before, and then was conquered by England. The southern states don't have that history. They joined willingly, and then attacked their neighbors cause they couldn't get their way in the framework they agreed to when they joined.

The question was largely one of "Do countries allow celebrations of treason?" and in Scotlands case, Wallace was explicitly tried for treason and for a long time England claimed overlordship over Scotland, so at least in the eyes of the winners of that contest, Scotland was not a separate entity.

Glenfinnan also has a memorial to Prince Charlie, which is an uprising against the Crown and not even related to independence, it was a dispute over whom should be the royal family and to this day I believe the monument still stands and likely a few others in the Highlands as well.

But the particulars and context obviously matter but the OP is asking we stay away from those parts and simply asked "Are there any other nations where traitors like the Confederacy are still celebrated?" and specified "Not going to get into the racial topics and slavery since that's too easy to go into forbidden topics" so taken together, its "Do other countries allow celebrations of treason against the successors to or continued government that was rebelled against?" and the answer is yes.

[breadisfunny]

If left to their own devices, the south would have Jim Crow back in a few months, and slavery back in a few years, today.

probably more like alabamba,georgia mississippi, tennesse,arkansas,missouri,iowa, and,parts of florida,texas,louisiana. possibly the south half of kentucky along with south carolina possibly.

[WintersLegion]

If it wasn't for the Civil Rights Act(s) being forced down their throat at the federal level, Mississippi still wouldn't have them today. How long would it have been before they got rid of slavery of their own accord?

Well Mississippi didn't submit the required documentation until 2013 meaning that until then Slavery in the state was never officially abolished.

[DarkTZeratul]

Well Mississippi didn't submit the required documentation until 2013 meaning that until then Slavery in the state was never officially abolished.

That's not actually how it works at all.

[Lenonis]

Does this actually surprise anyone?

Some of the southern states would actually like to regress if they could. A couple years ago there was a series of articles about still holding segregated proms and such and people got really really angry when they were told they couldn't do that anymore.

[Themius]

Honestly if states want to celebrate traitors to America maybe they should be allowed to break away?

I mean its Mississippi...

They're a horribly undereducated state, extremely poor state, that clings onto treason.

Just set them adrift, they'll become a third world country dependent on aid in no time.

Alternatively I wouldn't mind if blue states simply cut off the Fed like California was looking into when Trump threatened to not send federal dollars for sanctuary states. I mean after all, California gets back less than it gives so what do they have to lose?

I would have no problems with the sane states organizing and starving the federal government of money until they get their way. I mean honestly... why not?

Why shouldn't California, NY, NJ, MA and the like join together to starve the fed until they begin to get common sense reforms? The republicans play dirty anyway, and since money is the only thing they know, what the fuck are they going to do when states making up 30% of the GDP say fuck you or give me what I want?

[Cizr]

Are there any other nations where traitors like the Confederacy are still celebrated? Not going to get into the racial topics and slavery since that's too easy to go into forbidden topics, but even aside from that aspect this is completely batshit crazy to me.

Americans celebrate traitors every year on the Indepence Day. Washington and others who wanted freedom from British Empire were traitors just like southerners who wanted independence from North.

[Milchshake]

The CSA were not just traitors. The were traitors in defense of slavery.

[Orbitus]

Americans celebrate traitors every year on the Indepence Day. Washington and others who wanted freedom from British Empire were traitors just like southerners who wanted independence from North.

Surprise surprise, the guy that ran the Nazi avatar for so long, is now trying to explain away celebrating racist traitors to the US.

[breadisfunny]

The CSA were not just traitors. The were traitors in defense of slavery.

let's be honest here. a lot of major and minor powers employed slavery at the time as well the confederacy was not the only one. britian was looking to use the confederacy as a convenient source of slave labor.

[Templar 331]

I can't tell you how many people say "it's our heritage!"

Doesn't make it right to celebrate it....

[PACOX]

The same people who throw a fit when someone doesn't stand during the national anthem. What a joke.