If you're thinking about seceding from the Union...

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

...now is the time.

You won't get another chance till the next century.

[PC2]

...now is the time.

You won't get another chance till the next century.

Why now???

Whenever I hear about seccession I get the feeling that it's drama and nonsense.

[Spectral]

Moderate pandemics aren't actually all that uncommon. If you perversely view this as some sort of "opportunity", it's surely not the last one.

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Why now???

Whenever I hear about succession I get the feeling that it's drama and nonsense.

I think that's the correct instinct to have, but the lesson from your avatar is well taken. Nothing happens at all until it all happens at once and the triggering event that causes everything to happen at once is unpredictable. As we entered the 1910s Europe had been on edge for decades - who would have predicted that a pissant anarchist would have set it ablaze?

[PC2]

I think that's the correct instinct to have, but the lesson from your avatar is well taken. Nothing happens at all until it all happens at once and the triggering event that causes everything to happen at once is unpredictable. As we entered the 1910s Europe had been on edge for decades - who would have predicted that a pissant anarchist would have set it ablaze?

Yeah we can't predict that there won't be secession or civil war or whatever. My avatar is basically saying don't make historical arguments like "There hasn't been secession for the last ten decades so there won't be secession in the next decade either", obviously it could happen since people have the option to secede.

For me I don't take secession seriously just because I think that it requires a good vision of what the new nation state will be like, how will it be different and better than the prior nation state. I think most people in all states realize that nothing would really improve after secession and probably both parties would be worse off from an economic standpoint.

[Shadowferal]

...now is the time.

You won't get another chance till the next century.

Yes, and forgo all that stimulus money...please do
When they don't get that $1200 check (and then some for families), maybe secessionists will realize how stupid the idea is.

[Mihalik]

...now is the time.

You won't get another chance till the next century.

Why is this a particularly good moment? I mean...in general wut? It'd be nice if you could articulate your logic somehow, you know...try to use words.

[Vankrys]

quick and not so easy question
would a secessionist movement be more republican or democrat movement?

I feel it's a republican movement.
Republicans advocate for small government, well, there is nothing smaller than no federal government at all, only state
Republicans advocate for state right, well with a secession, state become sovereign nation, so full right
Republicans advocate for less regulation and more freedom, so breaking from the union means no longer bound by federal law
Republicans advocate for less taxes and more free market, with seceding from the union you get exactly that, no federal taxes and no federal benefits, everything is free market.

[PC2]

quick and not so easy question
would a secessionist movement be more republican or democrat movement?

I feel it's a republican movement.
Republicans advocate for small government, well, there is nothing smaller than no federal government at all, only state
Republicans advocate for state right, well with a secession, state become sovereign nation, so full right
Republicans advocate for less regulation and more freedom, so breaking from the union means no longer bound by federal law
Republicans advocate for less taxes and more free market, with seceding from the union you get exactly that, no federal taxes and no federal benefits, everything is free market.

Right wing secessionists are not going to create a nation based on the free market lol. Based on what I've seen most of them don't even want to secede based on economics but instead due to a bunch of backwards social ideas that are typically inspired by religion.

[Shadowferal]

quick and not so easy question
would a secessionist movement be more republican or democrat movement?

I feel it's a republican movement.
Republicans advocate for small government, well, there is nothing smaller than no federal government at all, only state
Republicans advocate for state right, well with a secession, state become sovereign nation, so full right
Republicans advocate for less regulation and more freedom, so breaking from the union means no longer bound by federal law
Republicans advocate for less taxes and more free market, with seceding from the union you get exactly that, no federal taxes and no federal benefits, everything is free market.

Secessionists typically come from red states.
The only exception might be NH. Bunch of "free-staters" there.

[Fugus]

quick and not so easy question
would a secessionist movement be more republican or democrat movement?

I feel it's a republican movement.
Republicans advocate for small government, well, there is nothing smaller than no federal government at all, only state
Republicans advocate for state right, well with a secession, state become sovereign nation, so full right
Republicans advocate for less regulation and more freedom, so breaking from the union means no longer bound by federal law
Republicans advocate for less taxes and more free market, with seceding from the union you get exactly that, no federal taxes and no federal benefits, everything is free market.

Would be funny to watch.

-Republican state leaves,
-lives under Republican ideology,
-goes bankrupt because of Republican ideology doesn't match reality.
-asks for welfare while still trying to remain separate or changing their stuff because they don't want to accept reality.
-gets violent when they continue to decline from refusal to accept reality.
-collapse

[Teleros]

Secessionists typically come from red states.
The only exception might be NH. Bunch of "free-staters" there.

True, but don't forget Calexit.

Anyway...

...now is the time.

You won't get another chance till the next century.

Give it a couple of decades, tops. The current demographic transformation of the USA is going to lead to either balkanisation or a massive amount of ethnic cleansing to keep the country super-majority white. Pick your poison.

As for doing it now, nah. Much easier for the US government to squash any rebels ATM what with everything going on and the regular economy in shambles. Remember that during the American Civil War the CSA lost early on economic grounds, it just took a while for their armies to realise . If... (throws dart at a board)... Georgia secedes, how will they fund their secession with the whole planet locked down?

[PC2]

Give it a couple of decades, tops. The current demographic transformation of the USA is going to lead to either balkanisation or a massive amount of ethnic cleansing to keep the country super-majority white. Pick your poison.

No lol that's called fear-mongering. Once identity politics is defeated in favor of policy politics then nobody will care about identity traits anymore. Ideas move history forward, not personal attributes.

[Shadowferal]

Give it a couple of decades, tops. The current demographic transformation of the USA is going to lead to either balkanisation or a massive amount of ethnic cleansing to keep the country super-majority white. Pick your poison.

Can't happen without the military being involved...and that's at least 50% minorities.

[Kokolums]

Yeah we can't predict that there won't be secession or civil war or whatever. My avatar is basically saying don't make historical arguments like "There hasn't been secession for the last ten decades so there won't be secession in the next decade either", obviously it could happen since people have the option to secede.

For me I don't take secession seriously just because I think that it requires a good vision of what the new nation state will be like, how will it be different and better than the prior nation state. I think most people in all states realize that nothing would really improve after secession and probably both parties would be worse off from an economic standpoint.

Increasing numbers of republicans view democrats as being outright racist against whites. So for them it would be a massive improvement to secede. There is a clear vision there: stop the racist democrats.

[Thekri]

Can't happen without the military being involved...and that's at least 50% minorities.

Yep, a hilarious statistic that most white supremists don't count on. Immigrants and minorities are MASSIVELY overrepresented in the military. Most of them think the military is somehow the guardian of White America, but it is actually the guardian of actual diverse America. In other words, if anyone wants to start and sort of crazy ethnic cleansing, they are going to suddenly figure out that a really disproportionate amount of the nations tankers and infantryman are Puerto Ricans, Eastern Europeans, and African Americans.

The rest of those tanks are manned by the friends of those guys.

[PC2]

Increasing numbers of republicans view democrats as being outright racist against whites. So for them it would be a massive improvement to secede. There is a clear vision there: stop the racist democrats.

Okay but I think it would make more sense to just stay in the same nation and then you can point out all the flaws of the racist Democrats. It's fun, much more fun than living in a homogenous nation where everybody agrees with each other on everything.

[Draco-Onis]

Increasing numbers of republicans view democrats as being outright racist against whites. So for them it would be a massive improvement to secede. There is a clear vision there: stop the racist democrats.

This is pure parody not to mention projection.

[Kellhound]

Can't happen without the military being involved...and that's at least 50% minorities.

The military would fracture, advantage no one.

[Flarelaine]

If, at this point, I was the US government and some Bible Belt state declared they want to secede, I'd be all "K, where do I sign?"

[Acidbaron]

quick and not so easy question
would a secessionist movement be more republican or democrat movement?

I feel it's a republican movement.
Republicans advocate for small government, well, there is nothing smaller than no federal government at all, only state
Republicans advocate for state right, well with a secession, state become sovereign nation, so full right
Republicans advocate for less regulation and more freedom, so breaking from the union means no longer bound by federal law
Republicans advocate for less taxes and more free market, with seceding from the union you get exactly that, no federal taxes and no federal benefits, everything is free market.

But they are heavily dependant on the funds from the blue states, so red state governments are mostly the "wellfare leeches" of the US.