Fox News Sued for Sharing False Information

[beanman12345]

One lies by misrepresenting the truth which MSM has done on more than a few occasions and another lies flat out by pulling a bunch of bullshit out of their asses, which Fox News absolutely does all the time. Not once did I deny that fact either. An apology does not instantaneously make the world better, it doesn't change the fact that someone misrepresented the truth or the facts, because that's still lying. The fact that you think one lying and apologizing for lying is OK and another who doesn't apologize for lying isn't, suggests that you don't care about the truth at its core, which is the problem with the lack of ethics in journalism these days. No one should be lying about anything when reporting the stories and news. The fact that you think it's ok for them to lie so long as they apologize for it, is absolutely retarded logic.

It's only a lie if it's intentional, which MSM can't be accused of if they fix their mistakes.

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One lies by misrepresenting the truth which MSM has done on more than a few occasions and another lies flat out by pulling a bunch of bullshit out of their asses, which Fox News absolutely does all the time. Not once did I deny that fact either. An apology does not instantaneously make the world better, it doesn't change the fact that someone misrepresented the truth or the facts, because that's still lying. The fact that you think one lying and apologizing for lying is OK and another who doesn't apologize for lying isn't, suggests that you don't care about the truth at its core, which is the problem with the lack of ethics in journalism these days. No one should be lying about anything when reporting the stories and news. The fact that you think it's ok for them to lie so long as they apologize for it, is absolutely retarded logic.

Making a mistake and correcting it pretty firmly demonstrates that there isn't any desire to "lie by misrepresenting the truth".

Your position against the MSM is factless and asinine. It's conspiracy nonsense.

[cubby]

One lies by misrepresenting the truth which MSM has done on more than a few occasions and another lies flat out by pulling a bunch of bullshit out of their asses, which Fox News absolutely does all the time. Not once did I deny that fact either. An apology does not instantaneously make the world better, it doesn't change the fact that someone misrepresented the truth or the facts, because that's still lying. The fact that you think one lying and apologizing for lying is OK and another who doesn't apologize for lying isn't, suggests that you don't care about the truth at its core, which is the problem with the lack of ethics in journalism these days. No one should be lying about anything when reporting the stories and news. The fact that you think it's ok for them to lie so long as they apologize for it, is absolutely retarded logic.

You confusing lying with mistakes. And you're continuing to do it despite people cautiously walking you through the difference. Let me try a different take:

If you're having a conversation with someone and they say something you know to be wrong, and you point it out, and provide evidence to back your claim, you'd want them to admit their mistake, right?

CBS/MSM are the people who are listening to your point about them being wrong, looking at the evidence, thinking critically about the new situation/information, and then admitting their mistake. We always - ALWAYS - want to encourage this behavior.

Fox News are the ones who ignore the evidence, yell at you louder for saying they are wrong, and continue on with their now disproved opinion. We do not want this behavior.

The difference is that civilized discourse draws from the CBS/MSM behavior, and as a species we advance much faster when we listen and adapt to new information.

You're trying to say that admitting mistakes and owning up to them is the same as lying and screeching when confronted with that lie. What you're doing is dangerous, and unhealthy for society. I would ask that you emulate the behavior you claim to admire and rethink your position.

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You confusing lying with mistakes. And you're continuing to do it despite people cautiously walking you through the difference. Let me try a different take:

If you're having a conversation with someone and they say something you know to be wrong, and you point it out, and provide evidence to back your claim, you'd want them to admit their mistake, right?

CBS/MSM are the people who are listening to your point about them being wrong, looking at the evidence, thinking critically about the new situation/information, and then admitting their mistake. We always - ALWAYS - want to encourage this behavior.

Fox News are the ones who ignore the evidence, yell at you louder for saying they are wrong, and continue on with their now disproved opinion. We do not want this behavior.

The difference is that civilized discourse draws from the CBS/MSM behavior, and as a species we advance much faster when we listen and adapt to new information.

You're trying to say that admitting mistakes and owning up to them is the same as lying and screeching when confronted with that lie. What you're doing is dangerous, and unhealthy for society. I would ask that you emulate the behavior you claim to admire and rethink your position.

Worse, it's implicitly a tactical defense for the Fox News approach of deliberate dishonesty.

If you're gonna be accused of lying even if you make a mistake, even if you admit and correct that mistake, why not just lie, and refuse to admit it? Then the onus is on your detractors to prove their case against you, while you can move on and commit 14 new lies in the time it takes them to disprove the first.

That doesn't provide an ethical justification, but in terms of strategy, it makes a lot of sense. Of course, the answer is that we shouldn't conflate innocent mistakes that were corrected with deliberate dishonesty, but that's apparently a step too far for Rennadrel.

[Machismo]

so fox should be able to freely commit negligent homicide. wow....just wow. you do realize the first amendment DOESN'T COVER ACTIONS WHICH CAN CAUSE HARM RIGHT?

Then charge them with negligent homicide.

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That's not how free speech works, and of course they should not be able to say lies when it comes at the cost of American lies. How could you even want to support such a thing? You would let people die just to get your ''GOTCHA!" moment?

I'd argue that is more heinous than the original lies ever could be.

People lie all the time. Trump's lies have also led to plenty of deaths, nobody is suing him. Obama's lies also led to deaths.

Trump and Fox News are vile trash. This is all the more reason to make sure the world knows.

[GreenJesus]

I'm saying they have freedom of speech. They are free to lie, and they are free to push false information.

It makes them trolls.

Treat Fox news as such from here on out.Treat anyone who watches them, and listens to them as the gullible fools that they are.

You know that "Screaming Fire in a movie theater" isn't free speech right? Fox News and that one "Medal of Freedom" recipient from Trump was definitely saying it was a hoax. Just like saying "The virus doesn't exist so go hug a Chinese person because we aren't racist!" (Italy) or "Go to China town and congregate with lots of people! The virus is nothing to worry about!" (New York) risked people's lives.

[Beazy]

Fox has won two "right to lie" cases in the past. Good luck with that.

[Machismo]

You know that "Screaming Fire in a movie theater" isn't free speech right? Fox News and that one "Medal of Freedom" recipient from Trump was definitely saying it was a hoax. Just like saying "The virus doesn't exist so go hug a Chinese person because we aren't racist!" (Italy) or "Go to China town and congregate with lots of people! The virus is nothing to worry about!" (New York) risked people's lives.

And, if they can show actual harm (like the one user claimed negligent homicide), then I welcome them to try.

if we are going to hold Trump and the rest of his dipshit squad legally responsible, then I hope we do the same for every single asshat who posted that it was a hoax on social media.

So, until you want to arrest them all, the tens of millions of dipshits, along with every anti-vaxxer on the planet, then it's simply pissing into the wind.

let me know how that turns out.

[Orbitus]

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-new...plished-moment

Fox News is continuing to lie about Coronavirus, saying that the "war against virus is over".

[Blur4stuff]

Fox has caused so much damage to the country over the past few decades. They shouldn't even exist at this point.

[Orbitus]

Fox has caused so much damage to the country over the past few decades. They shouldn't even exist at this point.

There is a reason they dropped "fair and balanced" and why they can't be called a News channel anymore in a lot of countries.

[Adam Jensen]

Fox should be pulled off the air permanently for the shit they've pushed these past few months. We need standards in journalism, a reasonable expectation of truth or your license to broadcast gets pulled. Like maybe an investigation is triggered when some percent of your reporting is false.

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There is a reason they dropped "fair and balanced" and why they can't be called a News channel anymore in a lot of countries.

They were never fair or balanced.

[Orbitus]

Fox should be pulled off the air permanently for the shit they've pushed these past few months. We need standards in journalism, a reasonable expectation of truth or your license to broadcast gets pulled. Like maybe an investigation is triggered when some percent of your reporting is false.

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They were never fair or balanced.

Yeah, but they only recently dropped it, like 3 or 4 years ago.

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https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-new...plished-moment

Fox News is continuing to lie about Coronavirus, saying that the "war against virus is over".

Oh boy, where to start with you.

Opinion host Tucker Carlson says "“The short-term crisis, the ones that we worried about so fervently in which pressure on hospitals grew so exponentially day by day, with no end in sight -- that short-term crisis may have passed,”

Key word - May. M-A-Y.

Also we need to discuss how to move forward and get everyone back to work. The US is losing trillions of dollars because of this, and not having anyone working causes a devastating ripple effect. We should still keep social distancing measures in place, continue testing everyone, and also follow Dr Fauci's advice. However, we should also come up with a plan that can allow businesses to run while still staying healthy.

The second portion deals with some guess work. Did people who had pneumonia and underlying symptoms then were infected with Covid-19 due from the disease? Or did they die from their underlying symptoms? Should you add all of them together, or how do you separate them out to ensure an accurate death total? This is a fairly new virus and it is still being studied. It is also possible that it might mutate and the symptoms could change again.

Third, if you are dying from a horrible virus which so far has no known cure and you were offered a drug that might work would you take it? If you don't take it there is a very good chance that you will die, if you do take it you might live. Going with this logic I would certainly try it.
That garbage Vox article suggests we should wait for a double-blind randomized controlled trial. Want to take a guess on the average duration of a RCT? 1 month? two? Try twenty. Do we have twenty months to wait for a possible cure? Probably not. We should still start a RCT double blind study as soon as possible, but I wouldn't want to wait 20 months to see how it turns out. Maybe it will help us solve a future pandemic?

source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5035379/


Again, we will need to re-open the economy eventually. It's best to start making a plan and figuring out how we can do it safely and effectively.

[Orbitus]

Oh boy, where to start with you.

Opinion host Tucker Carlson says "“The short-term crisis, the ones that we worried about so fervently in which pressure on hospitals grew so exponentially day by day, with no end in sight -- that short-term crisis may have passed,”

Key word - May. M-A-Y.

Also we need to discuss how to move forward and get everyone back to work. The US is losing trillions of dollars because of this, and not having anyone working causes a devastating ripple effect. We should still keep social distancing measures in place, continue testing everyone, and also follow Dr Fauci's advice. However, we should also come up with a plan that can allow businesses to run while still staying healthy.

The second portion deals with some guess work. Did people who had pneumonia and underlying symptoms then were infected with Covid-19 due from the disease? Or did they die from their underlying symptoms? Should you add all of them together, or how do you separate them out to ensure an accurate death total? This is a fairly new virus and it is still being studied. It is also possible that it might mutate and the symptoms could change again.

Third, if you are dying from a horrible virus which so far has no known cure and you were offered a drug that might work would you take it? If you don't take it there is a very good chance that you will die, if you do take it you might live. Going with this logic I would certainly try it.
That garbage Vox article suggests we should wait for a double-blind randomized controlled trial. Want to take a guess on the average duration of a RCT? 1 month? two? Try twenty. Do we have twenty months to wait for a possible cure? Probably not. We should still start a RCT double blind study as soon as possible, but I wouldn't want to wait 20 months to see how it turns out. Maybe it will help us solve a future pandemic?

source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5035379/


Again, we will need to re-open the economy eventually. It's best to start making a plan and figuring out how we can do it safely and effectively.

If Trump is making the plans, EXPECT them to fail HISTORICALLY, like everything else Trump has touched in this country has failed.

[Dontrike]

Every single news outlet in the world downplayed the effects of the virus when it first came out. CNN, MSNBC, and everyone else just said it was around as deadly at the common flu and it isn't a big deal. None of them took it seriously.

Problem with this is that most were putting it in perspective at the time while others, like Fox and those sucking some mad orange dick, were saying the virus was political in nature and was only there to disrupt Trump's presidency by ruining his economy, which wasn't all that stellar anyways, and another impeachment attempt. They were straight fooling people into not only completely ignoring it, but that the virus was only out to get Trump and nothing else.

See the issue there? Putting something into perspective when the virus had not gotten to emergency levels in the states at the time, while in hindsight was stupid to do, is nowhere near as fucking retarded as making C-19 seem like it was a complete hoax drummed up by the Democrats to remove Trump from office.

That's the difference.

[announced]

If Trump is making the plans, EXPECT them to fail HISTORICALLY, like everything else Trump has touched in this country has failed.

Yes we get it, orange man bad. You've ran out of any scientific arguments to make so Orange man bad must do.

Problem with this is that most were putting it in perspective at the time while others, like Fox and those sucking some mad orange dick, were saying the virus was political in nature and was only there to disrupt Trump's presidency by ruining his economy, which wasn't all that stellar anyways, and another impeachment attempt. They were straight fooling people into not only completely ignoring it, but that the virus was only out to get Trump and nothing else.

See the issue there? Putting something into perspective when the virus had not gotten to emergency levels in the states at the time, while in hindsight was stupid to do, is nowhere near as fucking retarded as making C-19 seem like it was a complete hoax drummed up by the Democrats to remove Trump from office.

That's the difference.

That part is pure misinformation. Trump did not seem to be suggesting that the outbreak itself is a hoax but rather claimed that his critics are “politicizing” the situation to make him look bad. Everyone with a functioning brain can comprehend what he said.

We can't deny that everyone at all levels of government screwed up. Trump gets some of that blame, and so do many officials that didn't heed any warnings and risked letting more people get infected.

[Dontrike]

That part is pure misinformation. Trump did not seem to be suggesting that the outbreak itself is a hoax

I didn't mention Trump, I was talking about Fox and other outlets, do try and keep up a little bit.

but rather claimed that his critics are “politicizing” the situation to make him look bad. Everyone with a functioning brain can comprehend what he said.

Again, didn't mention Trump, but what he did say is really fucking stupid anyways so does that make it any better? No, it doesn't, but good for you for trying to find anything you can to come to Trump's defense.

He's fucked up so much anyways he's dug his own grave when it has come to this entire affair. He acted slow, lied about it, downplayed it, ignored experts, has mentioned people getting better by working, wanting to get people to work far too soon (the Easter deadline), is trying to pedal a medication not proven to fight C-19, focuses solely on the economy rather than American citizens, tries to boast about fucking television ratings while people are dying, and lied some more. Hell, he just mentioned how we should all fucking forget about what happened during this as soon as it's over, he wants people to forget how much he fucked up.

We can't deny that everyone at all levels of government screwed up. Trump gets some of that blame, and so do many officials that didn't heed any warnings and risked letting more people get infected.

Yes, those that did indeed not heed warnings, like various Republican governors fucking up their own states by not enforcing stay at home orders or even doing it at all, gets their own blame, but Trump gets fucking most of it, if not damn near all of it. He's the president and should have done better, he was warned of this months before it came to our shores and even when it did he was still fucking around and lying.

This was the one time we needed him to act like a fucking leader and, most of all, a fucking human being with empathy and yet he couldn't even fucking manage that. He thought he could continue to bully his way through this like he usually does, but you can't bully a virus, you can't con the deaths of people away, and you can't sit there and act like this is a fucking PR issue because in reality this shit is real and it matters. He chose to continue acting like a man child while Americans died and when he sits there and goes "what do you have to lose" to untested medications it only shows further he's not taking this seriously.

You can sit there and defend him all you want, but at the end of the day he fucked up and he'll continue to do that, plain and simple.

[Orbitus]

Yes we get it, orange man bad. You've ran out of any scientific arguments to make so Orange man bad must do.



That part is pure misinformation. Trump did not seem to be suggesting that the outbreak itself is a hoax but rather claimed that his critics are “politicizing” the situation to make him look bad. Everyone with a functioning brain can comprehend what he said.

We can't deny that everyone at all levels of government screwed up. Trump gets some of that blame, and so do many officials that didn't heed any warnings and risked letting more people get infected.

No, "orange man bad" are what people like you use when we use logical arguments against you, and you FUCKING ignore them like you normally do.

[announced]

No, "orange man bad" are what people like you use when we use logical arguments against you, and you FUCKING ignore them like you normally do.

ROFL. what logical argument did you make? So far in this thread you've just cheered on how a partisan group is suing Fox news for being slow on the take, similar to other news agencies. We get that you hate Fox news, what else is new?

I didn't mention Trump, I was talking about Fox and other outlets, do try and keep up a little bit.



Again, didn't mention Trump, but what he did say is really fucking stupid anyways so does that make it any better? No, it doesn't, but good for you for trying to find anything you can to come to Trump's defense.

He's fucked up so much anyways he's dug his own grave when it has come to this entire affair. He acted slow, lied about it, downplayed it, ignored experts, has mentioned people getting better by working, wanting to get people to work far too soon (the Easter deadline), is trying to pedal a medication not proven to fight C-19, focuses solely on the economy rather than American citizens, tries to boast about fucking television ratings while people are dying, and lied some more. Hell, he just mentioned how we should all fucking forget about what happened during this as soon as it's over, he wants people to forget how much he fucked up.

He's listening to Dr. Fauci all the time, and he is trying to portray signs of hope to the people. Imagine of instead of being hopeful he just says "well you know what, we are screwed. We expect millions of people to die from this virus, and there is no potential cure. Also it'll take about 20 months for the data gathering portion double blind RTC study to complete so we won't know anything until then.

You may be fine living off welfare, but the rest of us are not. We want business to open again so we can go back to work. We also understand that social distancing measures should still be in place and testing is important but we need to find a nice balance between this. For that to work we need to come up with a plan because the government cant hand out checks forever. I don't think you understand how unemployment effects people. It causes a ripple effect.


Yes, those that did indeed not heed warnings, like various Republican governors fucking up their own states by not enforcing stay at home orders or even doing it at all, gets their own blame, but Trump gets fucking most of it, if not damn near all of it. He's the president and should have done better, he was warned of this months before it came to our shores and even when it did he was still fucking around and lying.

Like most of our leaders, they relied on the WHO for information. When China lies to the WHO then we aren't getting accurate information. It's like a game of telephone when one phrase is said but it comes out completely different at the end.

This was the one time we needed him to act like a fucking leader and, most of all, a fucking human being with empathy and yet he couldn't even fucking manage that. He thought he could continue to bully his way through this like he usually does, but you can't bully a virus, you can't con the deaths of people away, and you can't sit there and act like this is a fucking PR issue because in reality this shit is real and it matters. He chose to continue acting like a man child while Americans died and when he sits there and goes "what do you have to lose" to untested medications it only shows further he's not taking this seriously.

You can sit there and defend him all you want, but at the end of the day he fucked up and he'll continue to do that, plain and simple.

Explain to me how taking a drug that may save your life is a bad idea? It's possible the drug may do nothing, but it is also possible that it could help with recovery.

About that stake in the company that makes this drug.

According to Trump’s 2019 financial records, he owns between $1,000 and $15,000 in the Dodge & Cox fund, which owns approximately a 3 percent stake in Sanofi. If all three of his family trusts hold the full $15,000 in Dodge & Cox — $45,000 in total — then a 3 percent share amounts to $1,350. If, alternatively, each trust has invested the minimum $1,000 — for a total of $3,000 — the 3 percent stake is worth $90.

Yeah better watch out for that $90. Pretty soon he'll be a millionaire.