Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Sorshen]

Did you read any of the other links directly related to the China travel ban instead of the subsequent travel bans which were also highly criticized?

China travel ban does jackshit vs. sars-cov2, as the infection vector was US citizens already visiting China, and the admin let them all come home unchecked and walk around freely for months. You're dim.

430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced
There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump’s travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip, some this past week and many with spotty screening.

[Breccia]

One of Trump's top health officials went on FOX News to say "Stop buying non-FDA-approved tests, they don't work".

Few things:

1) He's right.

2) Why only say that on FOX News? Why not, you know, tell the country? Aren't there routine press briefings? Hopefully this is addressed today, otherwise, it will look like Team Trump is playing favorites with a lethal virus.

3) Also, this is a pretty hypocritical thing to say based on the way Team Trump's tests started. Hey, look, I get it, a bad test is a bad test, but this would be like Bethesda saying "Don't trust Bioware's latest online game, it's buggy". It loses a lot of authority when coming from someone who's already screwed up.

Again, not blaming him for the warning, just the way in which the warning was presented. Polls are already showing Team Trump's numbers aren't that great when spreading the message, and Trump's only redeeming qualification is message branding. And he's failing at that, just like he failed the American people 12,912 times and counting.

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Donald Trump is off his bloody rocker. Where to even start with some of this....

I like the part about how he claims the Democrats are trying to censor him. I'd give the rabid fanbase the usual 24 hours but we just saw someone fail so hard they just got drafted by the Cleveland Browns.

Simply put, if Trump lied less often, and if he attacked the press less often, maybe the press wouldn't be backing away from him. He has nobody to honestly blame but himself, and since he doesn't, he creates a conspiracy theory.

[Belize]

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Donald Trump is off his bloody rocker. Where to even start with some of this....

The 3rd tweet is particularly loony.

"We have to forget this happened and get JERBS AND STONKS back on track, except for the millions of americans who will have lost a family member lol"

[Breccia]

Speaking of which:

Our Ruling

Trump said, "Now, they’re doing tests on airlines — very strong tests — for getting on, getting off. They’re doing tests on trains — getting on, getting off."

Passengers on planes and trains are not being tested for COVID-19. It’s possible that Trump was referring to screenings, which could include a temperature check or a questionnaire. But even screenings are not as widespread as he said; they are happening at 13 airports for certain countries.

Trump's statement about "very strong tests" at transportation hubs rates Pants on Fire.

Our Ruling

Trump said that the intelligence community inspector general passed along a "terrible, inaccurate whistleblower report." In reality, the complaint got nearly every detail correct, as the memorandum released by the White House and the impeachment inquiry showed.

It was correct on the request that Ukraine investigate the Bidens and the notion that Ukraine might have the DNC server that was hacked by the Russians in the 2016 election.

It was correct that Trump aimed to connect the Ukrainians with Giluiani and Barr, even down to the detail of Trump mentioning the two in conjunction.

The complaint described Trump as attempting to pressure Ukraine. In the impeachment inquiry, Democrats concluded that was correct, and most Republicans said it was wrong. But the key details the whistleblower offered to back that up were correct.

We rate this claim Pants on Fire.

[alexw]

The 3rd tweet is particularly loony.

"We have to forget this happened and get JERBS AND STONKS back on track, except for the millions of americans who will have lost a family member lol"

Translation : Forget how I monumentally screwed up the response, your lost jobs, income, and wealth, and vote for me in Nov!

[DocSavageFan]

China travel ban does jackshit vs. sars-cov2, as the infection vector was US citizens already visiting China, and the admin let them all come home unchecked and walk around freely for months. You're dim.

Oh really?

Fauci: Early China Travel Ban “Was A Very Smart Move,” Europe Restrictions Are “Ahead Of The Curve”



Perhaps you're the one who's being "dim" here? Just a thought.

[Machismo]

You're horrible at using Google it seems.

Is this where you admit you cannot back up your claims?

Directing people to Google is asking them to do your work for you.

[DocSavageFan]

Is this where you admit you cannot back up your claims?

Directing people to Google is asking them to do your work for you.

Let's do a little perception check here. What do you think I was claiming?

[Sorshen]

Oh really?

Fauci: Early China Travel Ban “Was A Very Smart Move,” Europe Restrictions Are “Ahead Of The Curve”

[video=youtube_share;I03S742XC5w]https://youtu.be/I03S742XC5w[video]

You don't just fucking get it, do you? The admin still let people return home untested, w/o quarantine... while they were well aware of the asymptomatic spread and r0 factor. Almost half a million people came home before the intake was reduced.

[DocSavageFan]

You don't just fucking get it, do you? The admin still let people return home untested, w/o quarantine... while they were well aware of the asymptomatic spread and r0 factor. Almost half a million people came home before the intake was reduced.

Yeah...what the fuck does Fauci know anyway. You must be one of the smartest people on the planet.

[Machismo]

Let's do a little perception check here. What do you think I was claiming?

People have been asking you to back up your claims for quite some time, evidence please.

[Breccia]

ABC News reports that the DIA was warned, multiple times, in November, about how dangerous the coronavirus could be.

From that warning in November, the sources described repeated briefings through December for policy-makers and decision-makers across the federal government as well as the National Security Council at the White House. All of that culminated with a detailed explanation of the problem that appeared in the President’s Daily Brief of intelligence matters in early January, the sources said. For something to have appeared in the PDB, it would have had to go through weeks of vetting and analysis, according to people who have worked on presidential briefings in both Republican and Democratic administrations.

"The timeline of the intel side of this may be further back than we’re discussing," the source said of preliminary reports from Wuhan. "But this was definitely being briefed beginning at the end of November as something the military needed to take a posture on."

"Early January" is before Jan 22, and Jan 22 is of course

It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine

Trump was personally, directly told about this. And now, he and the rabid fanbase are left to deflecting with "well the Democrats..." because they have nothing left to work with but guilt and lies.

[Beefhammer]

Yeah...what the fuck does Fauci know anyway. You must be one of the smartest people on the planet.

Missing the fucking point. But what else is new TJ?

[Noxx79]

Again...I'm specifically talking about WHO and the travel ban.


"Pushing a bullshit medication"? Wow...just wow. Apparently you don't know that virtually everyone that comes into a New York hospital with coronavirus symptoms is now given hydroxychloroquine. Why is that? Because it's a "bullshit medication"? Your ignorance is astounding.

Evidence please.

[DocSavageFan]

People have been asking you to back up your claims for quite some time, evidence please.

Which claim do you want me to provide evidence for?

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/polit...nse/index.html

TLDR: Nobody knows who the fuck is in charge of the federal response or what the fuck is going on, weeks after the fact. The Trump administration continues to give unclear guidance and direction, shirk their responsibility to handle national logistics to assist the states, and rotate people on and off the team so that nobody knows who to talk to.

This is what everyone said would happen if Trump was faced with a crisis. This has happened already. It's still happening.

[Machismo]

Which claim do you want me to provide evidence for?

No...the point is that, instead of being supportive, the left, MSM, and even WHO were highly critical of Trump regarding the travel ban at the time. Now we see that the ban was the right thing to do and this action likely saved numerous lives. But here you sit with your godlike hindsight and say he should have done it sooner. Please quote any posts of yours prior to Jan 31 where you advocated a travel ban sooner. Otherwise, please stop with your horseshit revisionism.

For the record, one of your sources was from Trump's other racist travel ban... you also supported that.

[DocSavageFan]

For the record, one of your sources was from Trump's other racist travel ban... you also supported that.

I provided numerous examples supporting my claim that the left, MSM, and WHO were highly critical of the travel ban at the time. What more are you looking for?

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Missing the fucking point. But what else is new TJ?

Please don't call me TJ.

[Machismo]

I provided numerous examples supporting my claim that the left, MSM, and WHO were highly critical of the travel ban at the time. What more are you looking for?

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Please don't call me TJ.

Yes, the first one I clicked on was from Trump's racist travel ban. Why did you include it? It's almost as if you didn't bother to read... oops.

I didn't see them being highly critical, I saw them questioning whether it would be effective. Or, do you equate skepticism with being highly critical? f that';s the case, I want to sell you this lovely bridge. Don't question it, just send me your money.

[DocSavageFan]

Yes, the first one I clicked on was from Trump's racist travel ban. Why did you include it? It's almost as if you didn't bother to read... oops.

I didn't see them being highly critical, I saw them questioning whether it would be effective. Or, do you equate skepticism with being highly critical? f that';s the case, I want to sell you this lovely bridge. Don't question it, just send me your money.

I'm not going to argue semantics with you.