Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Machismo]

I'm not going to argue semantics with you.

Good for you.

Why did you provide a link to Trump's original Muslim travel ban? Did you not actually read your sources?

[Xarkan]

Missing the fucking point. But what else is new TJ?

Wasnt TJ Tijuana?
https://www.mmo-champion.com/members/722621-Tijuana

[PhaelixWW]

Pelosi: Trump's expanded travel ban is 'outrageous, un-American' and threatens 'rule of law'
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...threatens-rule

Pelosi was incensed about the travel restrictions from Africa, not China. And she had every right to be.

Schumer: Democrats will try to undo Trump ban
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...efugees-234334

2017? Really? You're not even reading your sources. Bravo.

Who Says It’s Not Safe to Travel to China?
https://www.realclearworld.com/2020/...na_483682.html

Ah, an opinion piece, written by a woman named Rosie Spinks. Who is Rosie Spinks? Why, she's a "global tourism reporter" for Skift. She's not even And who is Skift? It's the self-proclaimed "daily homepage of the travel industry".

So a travel industry advocate writes an opinion piece against travel restrictions? Color me shocked. Not sure how this is supposed to be "leftist"...

Past epidemics prove fighting coronavirus with travel bans is a mistake
https://www.vox.com/2020/1/23/210783...rus-travel-ban

This one is the only source you've linked that's even marginal. Like others, it questions whether the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. Unlike the others, it politicizes the issue by saying that the restrictions amount to "political theater". Kudos. You found one website that is actually critical of the politics. But nowhere does it claim anything specifically against Trump (indeed, the only time his name is mentioned is in reference to the Ebola outbreak in 2014-16), nor does it cite "racism" and/or "xenophobia".

So, no, this doesn't really support your claim, either.

Also... Vox? Vox isn't some huge MSM player, regardless. Vox ranks 209th among news/media sources. This is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Some Experts Worry As A Germ-Phobic Trump Confronts A Growing Epidemic
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/u...-epidemic.html

The worst this article gets about mentioning the travel restrictions was saying that "some health experts worry that Mr. Trump overpromised" when he claimed that the travel restrictions had "shut it down", referring to the coronavirus. I mean, all evidence points to this being a correct statement.

Health experts warn China travel ban will hinder coronavirus response
https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/31/...-would-suffer/

Again, this is a medical news website quoting health experts as saying "travel bans are not effective at stemming the spread of a virus and can make responding to an outbreak more challenging". This isn't some leftist media attack on Trump.

Coronavirus quarantine, travel ban could backfire, experts fear
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-travel-110750

Yet another article that just says that the travel restrictions are a complicated subject. Indeed, it says:

Administration officials are publicly wrestling with some of these concerns. On a call with reporters Friday, CDC officials acknowledged the policies could “induce fear and stigma,” but argued the public health benefits outweighed the downsides.

“We would rather be remembered for overreacting than underreacting,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.

Some health experts are praising CDC’s response, saying the agency is proceeding in a more humane and sensible way than China’s mass lockdowns of cities in the most affected area.

Rep. Judy Chu (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of Congress’ Asian Pacific American Caucus, called the quarantine "a necessary step” given the gravity of the coronavirus epidemic.

Sure sounds like this leftist article is really giving it to the Trump administration! Oh, wait...

13th Case Of Coronavirus In United States Confirmed; Experts Worry About Overreaction From Germ-Phobic Trump
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/13t...-phobic-trump/

Really? This is literally just highlighting the same NYT article you posted earlier. Sad.

The US coronavirus travel ban could backfire. Here's how
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/healt...ban/index.html

This article is a fairly unbiased report. It doesn't claim that the travel ban was wrong, it merely reports on the statements made by many health officials about the attendant issues with such restrictions, which were hardly unfounded.

“The WHO doesn’t recommend and actually opposes any restrictions for travel and trade or other measures against China. If anyone is thinking about taking measures, it’s going to be wrong.” - Tedros Adhanom (WHO Director-General) - January 30, 2020

“Such restrictions can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit." - Tedros Adhanom (WHO Director-General) - February 4, 2020

The WHO is a leftist shill? Lol. That must be why Trump wants to cut their funding, right?

"The United States and other countries around the world have put in place unprecedented travel restrictions in response to the virus,” he said. “These measures have not proven to improve public health outcomes, rather they tend to cause economic harm, and to stoke racist and discriminatory responses to this epidemic.” - Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) - Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman - February 5, 2020

Ah, finally, a Democrat who actually voiced disagreement of the policy. Only... he's not talking about Trump specifically. He's also the Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. It's literally his job to be worried about how these restrictions will affect foreign relations. And he been fully consistent in that view; he's fought all travel bans, period.

[Breccia]

In the ongoing effort to demonstrate who is in charge, Pence follows Trump lock-step in telling people to get back to work, even if they're sick.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is considering new guidelines for those exposed to the coronavirus who do not show symptoms.

The newly proposed guidelines would allow asymptomatic people who were exposed to the virus to resume work under the conditions that they would wear a mask and have their temperature checked regularly.

"I can tell you the CDC will have new guidance tomorrow that the CDC will be publishing for people who were in proximity to an individual that tested positive for coronavirus but have no symptoms," Vice President Pence said during Tuesday's coronavirus task force briefing.

"But it says 'asymptomatic'!"

And it also says "exposed". Next stupid question?

Fortunately, state governments still run the show. If they say "you're still under lockdown" then Trump is just blowing hot air.

[Edge-]

In the ongoing effort to demonstrate who is in charge, Pence follows Trump lock-step in telling people to get back to work, even if they're sick.



"But it says 'asymptomatic'!"

And it also says "exposed". Next stupid question?

Fortunately, state governments still run the show. If they say "you're still under lockdown" then Trump is just blowing hot air.

I totally, super, mega, completely trust that companies will regularly check exposed, asymptomatic employees temperatures and ensure that they keep all their protective gear on while at works at all times.

Whatever could go wrong?

[Lenonis]

In the ongoing effort to demonstrate who is in charge, Pence follows Trump lock-step in telling people to get back to work, even if they're sick.

I do not have adequate words to express what a disaster that would be. Masks aren't a failsafe to prevent transmission. Not by a longshot.

Also, you'd think the CDC of all people would know that asymptomatic does not equal not contagious.

[Breccia]

you'd think the CDC of all people would know that asymptomatic does not equal not contagious.

They do.

And, yet, here we are.

[Lenonis]

They do.

And, yet, here we are.

I really hate this timeline. I want off.

[Acidbaron]

They do.

And, yet, here we are.

Very Fine people in charge there i suppose?

Also people not showing symptoms at all is actually really rare, most people ignore the little symptoms they have as they are so common, like a cough.

[TigTone]

What the actual fuck. Do they think only when a person develops a fever are they contagious?

It clear they zone out when doctors or Any experts speaks to them.

People are most contagious before symptoms even appear.

[Breccia]

What the actual fuck. Do they think only when a person develops a fever are they contagious?

No. They don't.

And, yet, here we are.

[Edge-]

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-as-peak-nears

And federal financial support for drive-through testing appears to be coming to an end, so the locations will be closing.

Why? Because the federal government says that, like with everything else in their response, this isn't their job and the states should handle everything themselves.

This is what leadership doesn't look like.

[Breccia]

The Fed waives Wells Fargo's punishment for being caught red-handed cheating, because otherwise they can't make emergency loans.

I'm sure this was a tough call. Let's see if they earn some forgiveness with their second chance.

[alexw]

I totally, super, mega, completely trust that companies will regularly check exposed, asymptomatic employees temperatures and ensure that they keep all their protective gear on while at works at all times.

Whatever could go wrong?

Coming to a Subway near you. Extra pickles and a double helping of Coronavirus please.

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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-as-peak-nears

And federal financial support for drive-through testing appears to be coming to an end, so the locations will be closing.

Why? Because the federal government says that, like with everything else in their response, this isn't their job and the states should handle everything themselves.

This is what leadership doesn't look like.

Well that is the natural conclusion of the republican pathology. States rights, small government, and Reagan's nine most terrifying words in the English language - "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help." This is the direction republicans have been travelling in for a long long time. So what if it means hundreds of thousands dead?

[Beefhammer]

Wasnt TJ Tijuana?
https://www.mmo-champion.com/members/722621-Tijuana

Yup, whose new persona is Docsavage.

[Machismo]

Can we not just have Machismo and <insert random poster> going around in fucking circles in yet another thread, please?

Done.

/10

[Poopymonster]

Coming to a Subway near you. Extra pickles and a double helping of Coronavirus please.

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Well that is the natural conclusion of the republican pathology. States rights, small government, and Reagan's nine most terrifying words in the English language - "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help." This is the direction republicans have been travelling in for a long long time. So what if it means hundreds of thousands dead?

That means hundreds of thousands of new job openings. Plus more jobs in the funerary services. The Free Market provides. Skulls for the Skull Throne.

[Edge-]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ial-distancing

Interesting article reflecting the different ideological responses to the coronavirus, and their outcomes. Kentucky took a much more aggressive approach with their Democratic governor, shutting down gatherings and encouraging social distancing and isolation far earlier than Tennessee, who has been much slower to take aggressive action. I'm not sure how similar the states are demographically and in terms of population concentration, but the graph is stark -

[Nellise]

Interesting article reflecting the different ideological responses to the coronavirus, and their outcomes. Kentucky took a much more aggressive approach with their Democratic governor, shutting down gatherings and encouraging social distancing and isolation far earlier than Tennessee, who has been much slower to take aggressive action. I'm not sure how similar the states are demographically and in terms of population concentration, but the graph is stark -

The bottom of the graph says TN has done 45,300 tests, KY has only done 18,797, so that graph isn't based off nearly the same data. I thought we've kind of agreed that more testing is going to find more cases. Kentucky has 2 million fewer people and only 2 cities with over 100k people, while Tennessee has 6.

[D Luniz]

and with Trump's rambling stream of words, its like seeing the posts from his supporters here