Voidlords and Titans

[Aucald]

should be mentioned that dimensius needed a whole lot of time and armies of lesser void creatures to destroy k'aresh tho.
i would say, if we take the little info we have from chronicles into consideration, that the void lords are weaker than titans (as they are "envious of the titans power"+the fact that mature titans are completely immune to their corruption), but a dark titan would be like a titan+a void lord, so more powerful than either alone.

Dimensius was also just an avatar of said Void Lord, and according to "Chronicle Vol. 2" was only a fraction of the Void Lord's actual power - a temporary manifestation that nonetheless threatened two worlds (and destroyed one). As I said above, we don't really know how powerful the Void Lords are relative to a Titan, and the Titans themselves also didn't know much about the Void. I would imagine that you are in right in that the co-mingled power of a Titan and Void Lord in the person of a Dark Titan would be greater than either, but that still doesn't tell us much about how an individual Void Lord might compare to a realized Titan.

[Molvonos]

Wouldn't light lords technically be the N'aruu?

N'aaru are more on the level of the old gods, if I remember correctly. Some are more powerful then others (Prime Windchimes), but it kinda implies there's something higher.

[LuminaL]

Okay serious question: Does this look like a "pussy" to you?



Yes, we need Sargeras redemption story. That will spice things up a little.

anyone else finds it oddly annoying that sargeras is covered in normal fire? like he is the guy who created fel magic and his fire is not fel fire but normal one. doesnt he take the shit he sells ?

[Varodoc]

anyone else finds it oddly annoying that sargeras is covered in normal fire? like he is the guy who created fel magic and his fire is not fel fire but normal one. doesnt he take the shit he sells ?

It's weird, especially since he appeared as fel flame to Kil'jaeden and Aggramar.

[DemonHunter18]

anyone else finds it oddly annoying that sargeras is covered in normal fire? like he is the guy who created fel magic and his fire is not fel fire but normal one. doesnt he take the shit he sells ?

originally, he had orange fiery like appearance until they retconned it to Fel.

same how Illidan got Arcane tattoos but was retconed into Fel tattoos.

he didn't create Fel though.

it's especially funny since in the Chronicles he has Fel and yet in Legion he is orange.

Blizzard can't keep their story straight LOL.

[Aucald]

Sargeras didn't create Fel magic, but he is deeply infused by it. Sargeras' original goal as a member of the Pantheon was the removal of Fel from the physical universe by captured and containing all the demons he found in Mardum, a prison-world where they could be contained without harming the rest of the universe. He was saturated by Fel when he destroyed Mardum, freeing the demons and pressing them into his service as the Burning Legion. He can probably channel his internal Fel at will, but his normal appearance is generally that of a molten, burning Titan as depicted in the cinematic. Perhaps the Fel he contains smolders within him, heating up the metallic aspect of his "flesh" and making it glow with heat (red, as opposed to Fel green)?

Difficult to say, really; but the above has generally always been how he's depicted - though there is an illustration of him glowing green in "Chronicle Vol. 1," which may be due to it being fresh from his saturation at Mardum.

[Mic_128]

N'aaru are more on the level of the old gods, if I remember correctly.

I dunno, we've killed a couple of N'aaru and they weren't as powerful as Old Gods. Even the Prime N'aaru. Illidan easily one-shot that one, yet there's no way he could do the same move to an Old God. Unless they have the same power, but are just a lot more fragile.

[Aucald]

I dunno, we've killed a couple of N'aaru and they weren't as powerful as Old Gods. Even the Prime N'aaru. Illidan easily one-shot that one, yet there's no way he could do the same move to an Old God. Unless they have the same power, but are just a lot more fragile.

You could argue circumstances for the Naaru we've killed. M'uru was weakened by being drained by the Blood elves, and was darkened when we found him and pushed into becoming Entropius. Similar too for L'ura, who had languished on Argus as a darkened Naaru for 30,000+ years and may well not be dead but slumbering within Alleria in some manner. Xe'ra's core was visibly compromised by being jettisoned through space and a Fel storm to land on Azeroth, and was the direct target of Illidan's eye-lasers when he destroyed her.

I'm also not sure where the Naaru stand as concerns their power vs. an Old God. One Naaru, T'uure, was able to destroy an avatar of a Void Lord by sacrificing itself in the process. That speaks to a significant power, but probably not quite the equal of a fully-realized Old God.

[DemonHunter18]

One Naaru was stated to be powerful enough to level mountains.

That doesn't mean you need mountain busting attacks to beat it.

This ain't DB chief xd

Illidan probably used his full power considering he was heavily exhausted.

Even Alleria was shocked at how powerful he needed to be to pull that feat off.

[Powerogue]

More or less. We have some bias against his plans since obviously "the world" is where I keep all my stuff.

The voidlords have yet to be portrayed in-game really (I think we fought a weakened version of one way back before Blizzard even wrote what they were), we mainly just know the faction of ethereals from the void-destroyed homeworld is still out and about and seeking to voidify things wherever they can find them. (Argus, nightborne unlock scenario)

On the void extreme we have total entropy which means no life, but on the light extreme going by the mag'har scenario we have imprisonment of all dissidents in a timeless statis, which isn't much better.

[Molvonos]

On the void extreme we have total entropy which means no life, but on the light extreme going by the mag'har scenario we have imprisonment of all dissidents in a timeless statis, which isn't much better.

I dunno how true the entropy thing is though. The void side of things is perfectly capable of making life, either by themselves or through the corruption of inorganic life. And what we know of the Old Gods when they ruled Azeroth, they fought each other, pitting their subjects against each other, which resulted in the strongest/smartest surviving.

A trait the mantis are shown as to having too. I legit dont understand the voids motivations other than 'hurrdurr let's do chaos' unless one of their visions showed that we, Azerothe champions, defeat their ultimate nemesis because the old gods kept making us stronger (or we die)

Whatever that is.

[cparle87]

Okey so..
I finally gained some lore info after years of pvping.
If i understand correctly.

There is ultimate battle between Voidlords and Titans.

But Sargeras ( Something like Dark Titan) wants to fight agains the Voidlords in the way that he destroy all the planets containing titans like Azeroth ? So his "final question" is more radical and we must fight against him ?

The void lord don't, or can't exist in the physical universe. Titans are born within the cores of certain worlds. So they created millions of Old Gods and send them across the universe, where they burrow into the planet's crust hoping to find an unborn Titan they can turn to evil. Sargeras found a corrupted planet and interrogated the demons who lived there. He was horrified of the idea of a void possessed Titan and rushed to tell the others. Sadly at that same time they told him of Azeroth, who had the potential to be stronger than all of them. Sargeras lost his shit and demanded Azeroth be killed immediately before she could be possessed. The other titans thought they could protect Azeroth and help her be born safely. Sargeras disagreed, left, and created the Legion to destroy all worlds to ensure no void titan could ever be born, with top priority on Azeroth.

[Varodoc]

The Void Lords' ultimate goal is to consume all of existence. It's basically an hungering maw that wants to devour the entire cosmos, all planets, all stars, all suns, all matter, everything.

Void can indeed generate life, the Curse of Flesh was void in origin, however all of that is just a means to an end, and the end is the eradication of all that exists.

[Unholyground]

Okey so..
I finally gained some lore info after years of pvping.
If i understand correctly.

There is ultimate battle between Voidlords and Titans.

But Sargeras ( Something like Dark Titan) wants to fight agains the Voidlords in the way that he destroy all the planets containing titans like Azeroth ? So his "final question" is more radical and we must fight against him ?

I think it is likely the Pantheon are the Arcane Lords as it seems like every one of the cosmic forces of the chart have a godlike entities that exist outside of regular reality.

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The Void Lords' ultimate goal is to consume all of existence. It's basically an hungering maw that wants to devour the entire cosmos, all planets, all stars, all suins, all matter, everything.

Void can indeed generate life, the Curse of Flesh was void in origin, however all of that is just a means to an end, and the end is the eradication of all that exists.

Not devour, they just want the universe bathed in darkness, they don't destroy anything, just corrupt it.

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anyone else finds it oddly annoying that sargeras is covered in normal fire? like he is the guy who created fel magic and his fire is not fel fire but normal one. doesnt he take the shit he sells ?

He did not create fel, it has always existed, and this is how he was depicted before WoW.

[TheFirstOnes]

Here's how it goes.

Sargeras (Disorder) wants to destroy all of Creation so that he could prevent the Void Lords (Shadow) from devouring everything in their name.

Sargeras (Disorder) demolished the Titan Pantheon (Order) so that he could cause havoc throughout creation.

The Void Lords (Shadow) are opposed to Light, Disorder, and Death, due to their natures.

Shadow and Death both want to destroy the Shadowlands and Reality. Death wants to end everything and tip the balance in their favor against Life, while the Void Lords just want everything and anything to themselves for more power. The Void was stated to be so powerful, that it could've devoured all the Shadowlands, which could mean we'll see some Void shit soon during 9.0 and beyond.

The Player Character (You) basically exists to make the WoW Cosmology his/her bitch. Whether it be with the help of an army, etc etc, just know that you, and the denizens of Azeroth, have already toppled over the Black Empire, as well as the Burning Legion. Now, all you have to do is stop the Life/Death conflict, as well as the Light/Shadow conflict. Both of which should end quicker than expected.

[LuminaL]

He did not create fel, it has always existed, and this is how he was depicted before WoW.

he may not have created fel personally but his entire legion used fel, and probably for a reason, so why doesnt he himself use fel magic? it doesnt seem that any other individual use fel, because it is considered corrupting for some reason. the corruption they talk about so far only points to how it turns your PoV to agree with sargeras so thats why I thought he created fel magic.

[Houle]

he may not have created fel personally but his entire legion used fel, and probably for a reason, so why doesnt he himself use fel magic? it doesnt seem that any other individual use fel, because it is considered corrupting for some reason. the corruption they talk about so far only points to how it turns your PoV to agree with sargeras so thats why I thought he created fel magic.

he IS using fel magic, and more powerful than anyone else (he killed the pantheon by summoning a massive felstorm, so he can literally summon a fel inferno that is big enough to engulf and destroy multiple worlds)
The fact that hes orange is just blizz being unable to keep their story in line. First, he was aways shown with orange fire, then in chronicle we got a picture of him with green fire+him being described with green fire, and in legion hes suddenly orange again (without explanation)
just typical blizz stupidity