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    Quote Originally Posted by Tziva View Post
    I don't think that's really fair or accurate. Access to specific pieces of equipment or personal trainers is probably a big drive for people who genuinely are there for fitness, and just because you use a stair machine your gym four days a week doesn't necessarily mean you're familiar with the proper body mechanics for body squats or whatever the fuck at your house. People like the machines because they are often easy to use and you don't need any kind of specialised fitness knowledge. Additionally, if you have a personal trainer at the gym who has always coached you through what to do, you may be somewhat lost without one at home. In fact, that seems like an especially useful aspect of a gym membership. I workout from home but I still pay for fitness coaching to customise my workouts, teach me how to do various things I have no idea otherwise how to do in a safe/proper manner (that you can't necessarily always get from, say, watching a youtube video), monitor my progress, and help me with problem areas. I would even go as far to say that I needed one when I first started because I was doing a lot of things wrong and hurting myself and was not doing the right exercises to help the things I wanted to help.

    Do you need any of the machines or weights or whatever from the gym? Of course not. But it is entirely possible people genuinely don't know how to properly workout without them. And look, this is coming from someone who has literally never worked out in an actual gym in my entire life. The closest I've ever been is using the stationary bike in the clubhouse of my old apartment complex. So I'm definitely not holding some kind of pro-gym bias by any means.

    (that said, I can't imagine using the gym as a social activity either. Who wants to meet new people when you are at your absolute grossest? Sure as fuck not me.)
    Fair enough, i mostly envisioned a certain type in mind when making that comment the same kind of people who now all of the sudden are runners and bikers as a way to get out of the lockdown.

    It is easier to train in a gym as bodyweight exercises require more control and stability not to mention knowledge but it can be done. It is also easier to injure yourself in a gym with weights than it is while using bodyweight exercises.
    I bought a training program from a very popular youtube trainer teaching me actually a lot. My point was mostly that if you really want to work out you'll find a way and not complain about the gym being closed. Yes it wasn't the most nuanced message.

    As for you saying you can't learn everything from a youtube video, sure i mean you can't always check your own posture but this trainer and the one i bought the bodyweight training program from is a good source.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xenogear3 View Post
    Just like bar, most people who go to gyms are trying to "meet" someone, either free or pay.

    If you let gyms open, I bet it would be packed.
    What kind of gyms are you going to where people are there to meet someone?

    Every time I go to the gym, people are there to work out. Everyone is silent and doing there thing. And as far as I know, people want to be left alone when exercising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    As for you saying you can't learn everything from a youtube video, sure i mean you can't always check your own posture but this trainer and the one i bought the bodyweight training program from is a good source.
    I didn't really phrase that super well. I wasn't intending to imply one can't learn those things through video (in fact I don't believe that at all - my fitness coach and I work via video exchanges and skype calls as he is located on the other side of the world), just that you can't be sure when pulling up a random youtube video that it is going to show you everything you need to know do to something correctly and safely. I'm sure there are actually lots of good videos out there, free or behind paywalls, but I'm sure there's also a TON of stuff ranging from "unsafe, dangerous garbage" to "useful but not showing/explaining enough." A person who is trying to figure out their workout routine exclusively via YouTube might not necessarily have the knowledge to be able to distinguish.

    That said, not everyone is going to need to do something like that anyway. If someone is going for general fitness, they can just walk or jump rope or whatever the fuck, and you don't need a video for that anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    What kind of gyms are you going to where people are there to meet someone?

    Every time I go to the gym, people are there to work out. Everyone is silent and doing there thing. And as far as I know, people want to be left alone when exercising.
    Look, that kind of mentality is a complete other planet for me because when I am super gross and sweaty the last thing I want to do is interact with anyone but there are definitely people who do like the social aspect of the gym. Maybe they're not going there with that as the primary goal, but I know plenty of people who see the gym as a valid avenue to meet new people or find the social aspect of it to be motivating. Considering a lot of gyms have group classes for certain activities, it's probably not that weird. Outside of that one guy leering at the ladies on the treadmill, most folks are probably aiming for organic social interactions with people who enjoy a similar active lifestyle.

    But yeah, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay not for me. I don't even like making eye contact with the clerk at the gas station when I am in a post-strenuous-physical-activity state, much anything that requires extended conversation.
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    A place with a bunch of people sweating at close range from each other?

    Sounds like a great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    If you don't know how to work out properly at home, chances are high all you're using the gym for is some sort of social gathering spot.
    I am afraid you are completely wrong. If it's just cardio or callisthenics-level of exercising, then sure, you can do plenty at home and hit the whole body. But for a proper workout with heavy weights? Not a chance, especially when you consider the "pull" variety of exercises (no pun intended btw), as much as a pull-up bar can help.

    PS plus 1 for linking Athlean X videos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Because they really really really fucking aren't.
    Couldn't you make this argument with most things? Coffee shops, churches, state/city parks, etc., etc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Flay- View Post
    Couldn't you make this argument with most things? Coffee shops, churches, state/city parks, etc., etc.
    Coffee shops here are closed.
    Churches here are closed
    Parks are outdoors so not as much direct contact with objects, and have very strict limits on how many can be in at once.

    So yes, you can, and they also should be closed/have limits imposed

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    I don't know where your "here" is. But in Texas all of the things I mentioned are open. Obviously with restrictions on how many people can congregate, but still open.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Flay- View Post
    I don't know where your "here" is. But in Texas all of the things I mentioned are open. Obviously with restrictions on how many people can congregate, but still open.
    Scandinavia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    If you don't know how to work out properly at home, chances are high all you're using the gym for is some sort of social gathering spot.
    So I take it you have no experience in this subject except linking youtube videos correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fkiolaris View Post
    I am afraid you are completely wrong. If it's just cardio or callisthenics-level of exercising, then sure, you can do plenty at home and hit the whole body. But for a proper workout with heavy weights? Not a chance, especially when you consider the "pull" variety of exercises (no pun intended btw), as much as a pull-up bar can help.

    PS plus 1 for linking Athlean X videos
    It all depends what level you are training at, if you are used to lifting a lot homework outs won't replace the gym, again as in my reply to Tzivia i had a specific person in mind when making that comment. From what i follow on my feeds people claim it is possible to not lose muscles with home training if you are at that level that you used to lift a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravex View Post
    So I take it you have no experience in this subject except linking youtube videos correct?
    I work out and have weights, resistance bands and a pull bar at home. I am not going to claim i am i train at level that others call bodybuilding but i do keep in shape.

    So your point being?

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    Aren't places like the gym the perfect place to spread infection? Everyone is using the same stuff and it'd be difficult for workers to somehow clean everything between members, especially in larger gyms.
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    I agree, gyms are essential if you hear that 80% of corona deaths are fat then gyms are like one of the most important things in these times to bring deaths to a lower rate.
    I feel myself getting weaker and fatter every day because my routine is gone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rozz View Post
    Aren't places like the gym the perfect place to spread infection? Everyone is using the same stuff and it'd be difficult for workers to somehow clean everything between members, especially in larger gyms.
    Put gloves on and dont touch your face... done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flay- View Post
    Couldn't you make this argument with most things? Coffee shops, churches, state/city parks, etc., etc.
    In order of what you listed: no, HELL NO, and not really.

    - Coffee could be bought at a store or delivered from said shop (but why?)
    - If you absolutely have to be one of those people, just pray in your house. Why confine your non-existent, allegedly-omnipresent deity to one location? (#religious_hypocrisy)
    - Don't really have a comeback for this one. Exercise at home? Play with the dog(s) in the yard? I don't know. Too many variables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tromage2 View Post
    I agree, gyms are essential if you hear that 80% of corona deaths are fat then gyms are like one of the most important things in these times to bring deaths to a lower rate.
    I feel myself getting weaker and fatter every day because my routine is gone.



    Put gloves on and dont touch your face... done.
    But you're still sweating and breathing heavily in confined places. I wouldn't risk that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    You'd think that gyms would be considered essential services. So people can stay healthy and get exercise during the pandemic.
    I think I got cancer from reading that. The idea behind social distancing is to avoid spreading the virus, and a gym would be the perfect vector for it. Also you don't need a gym to stay healthy. Push ups, sit ups, and plenty of juice will work just fine. Besides the fact that you don't need to exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    It all depends what level you are training at, if you are used to lifting a lot homework outs won't replace the gym, again as in my reply to Tzivia i had a specific person in mind when making that comment. From what i follow on my feeds people claim it is possible to not lose muscles with home training if you are at that level that you used to lift a lot.

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    I work out and have weights, resistance bands and a pull bar at home. I am not going to claim i am i train at level that others call bodybuilding but i do keep in shape.

    So your point being?
    Well your comment pretty much rules out Powerlifting, Weightlifting, Strongman, Crossfit, bodybuilding and indirect activities such as rock climbing as legit training as compared to calisthenics.

    Comming from a guy with a couple weights and a pull up bar at home.

    That would be my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tromage2 View Post
    I agree, gyms are essential if you hear that 80% of corona deaths are fat then gyms are like one of the most important things in these times to bring deaths to a lower rate.
    I feel myself getting weaker and fatter every day because my routine is gone.



    Put gloves on and dont touch your face... done.
    Gyms really have no effect on a person being fat and unhealthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravex View Post
    Gyms really have no effect on a person being fat and unhealthy.
    It is for me, now out of my routine for over 1 month.
    Bodyfat increased and my muscle mass became less.

    I try to maintain with cardio but have to less options outside the gym to really do my routine to hit my limits to keep my muscle maintenance.
    I can cut my diet to lower my fat increase but then again it might come at a cost aswell.

    Maybe next week i will check at a local steel store to buy some bars and weights to improvise but its not an ideal situation.
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    They aren't. There's hundreds of ways to stay healthy, none of which requires a gym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravex View Post
    Well your comment pretty much rules out Powerlifting, Weightlifting, Strongman, Crossfit, bodybuilding and indirect activities such as rock climbing as legit training as compared to calisthenics.

    Comming from a guy with a couple weights and a pull up bar at home.

    That would be my point.
    Because my experience is limited to simply working out and staying healthy while not turning it into a life style that involves heavy lifting means i make use of other sources from experts that do, i find the notion that you can only be knowledgable if have an athlete lifestyle to be absurd as the opposite also holds not true, plenty of information out there from people that work out through heavy lifting and give a ton of bad advice.

    So when people like Jeff Cavaliere claim that you won't lose muscle in this period by training at home without needing an advance gym setup they are all just wrong?
    Bold to claim that educated physical trainers do not know what they are saying.

    And seeing you apparently get annoyed by me somewhat linking stuff about fitness, here's another person claiming you won't if you engage yourself properly to it.



    PS: So far you made no argument about how i am wrong on this both of your posts are ad hominem's, so can i expect an argument at any point or do you want to keep making this topic about me personally, i mean go right ahead all it will do is stroke my ego so *shrug*

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