Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[dribbles]

Opinion pieces are not evidence.

Time in the development of a vaccine isn't a luxury, it's a necessity.

The experts don't appear on TV, they are busy working. Spokesmen and women are. When you see an actual researcher doing an interview, he has downtime to do so. Many processes in research require time for maturation etc.

Please don't pretend that the economy is going to just disappear. We'll just have to stop spending on bullshit for some time. That's was coming for you brits anyway, with the dumbest decision in human history you made a couple of years ago.

And I am amazed that you at one point condemn the safety measures for Corona as panic spreading, and on the other hand spout bullshit like 'millions of starving unemployed people'. Make up your mind as to what you want to think people you are, a stark raving lunatic or a reasonable conservative that's willing to sacrifice millions out of fear that this pandemic will utterly destroy the economy.

"No Economy..." what a steaming pile of rubbish.

Reasonable people are not talking about sacrificing anyone. Control freak lockdown jobsworths jumping on bad science are the lunatics saying six figures of deaths in the UK, far more than from coronavirus, is a price worth paying for keeping up unnecessary social distancing measures that don't work for the foreseeable...

Up to 150,000 Britons could die from non-coronavirus causes because of the UK's draconian lockdown

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-suicides.html

[MCMLXXXII]

Reasonable people are not talking about sacrificing anyone. Control freak lockdown jobsworths jumping on bad science are the lunatics saying six figures of deaths in the UK, far more than from coronavirus, is a price worth paying for keeping up unnecessary social distancing measures that don't work for the foreseeable...

Up to 150,000 Britons could die from non-coronavirus causes because of the UK's draconian lockdown

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-suicides.html

Again..... which draconian lockdown? Also quoting Daily Mail doesn't make you more believable.

[Skulltaker]

Reasonable people are not talking about sacrificing anyone. Control freak lockdown jobsworths jumping on bad science are the lunatics saying six figures of deaths in the UK, far more than from coronavirus, is a price worth paying for keeping up unnecessary social distancing measures that don't work for the foreseeable...

Up to 150,000 Britons could die from non-coronavirus causes because of the UK's draconian lockdown

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-suicides.html

Have you actually read this? I mean, it's a pathetically poorly written piece of idiot bait. It's Daily Mail, it's trash, like it's readers, but still, even for their standards, this is pretty pathetic.

The headline says 150k will die. The article then says up to 150k. And then, sandwiched in, is this little piece of information, the only relevant info in there.

Fraser Nelson, editor of The Spectator and political columnist for The Telegraph, spoke of the stark 150,000 figure today. He did not reveal his source.

He said: 'Work is being done to add it all up and produce a figure for "avoidable deaths" that could, in the long-term, be caused by lockdown.

See, saying 'work is being done' without showing your work is usually a good indicator for someone talking out of his ass.

Try again. With something that is actually worth the disc space it takes up on a server, and not these molasses of retardation that are produced at Daily Mail. You're not proving a point linking those, you're only damaging your reputation.

[Granyala]

Please don't pretend that the economy is going to just disappear. We'll just have to stop spending on bullshit for some time. That's was coming for you brits anyway, with the dumbest decision in human history you made a couple of years ago.

*chuckles* good one.

It never ceases to amaze me, how uneducated people continue to think that "throwing more money at the problem" works when it comes to matters of science and nets instant results.

[dribbles]

Have you actually read this? I mean, it's a pathetically poorly written piece of idiot bait. It's Daily Mail, it's trash, like it's readers, but still, even for their standards, this is pretty pathetic.

The headline says 150k will die. The article then says up to 150k. And then, sandwiched in, is this little piece of information, the only relevant info in there.



See, saying 'work is being done' without showing your work is usually a good indicator for someone talking out of his ass.

Try again. With something that is actually worth the disc space it takes up on a server, and not these molasses of retardation that are produced at Daily Mail. You're not proving a point linking those, you're only damaging your reputation.

Mr Professor, the daily mail is meant for consumption by lay people, not perhaps expert medical specialists of your standing. However rather than just scanning it briefly in a derisory way, if you'd care to dig a bit deeper, it does helpfully link to the kind of articles that someone of your forensic analytical abilities might find useful. It might even get you to accept that there are other perhaps forgotten and overlooked consequences to a lockdown.

Recessions and health: the long-term health consequences of responses to the coronavirus.

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14799 *courtesy of prior linked daily mail article

I can also assure you that Fraser Nelson is very well connected to current UK government thinking and is not prone to making things up. He is also a very useful tool for bridging the gap between the kind of professional articles you might use, and the kind that the majority ordinary folk who pay your wages might read. If you had a decent bedside medical manner you might be expected to already know that, very surprising you appear not too.

[Felya]

Recessions and health: the long-term health consequences of responses to the coronavirus.

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14799 *courtesy of prior linked daily mail article

I can also assure you that Fraser Nelson is very well connected to current UK government thinking and is not prone to making things up. He is also a very useful tool for bridging the gap between the kind of professional articles you might use, and the kind that the majority ordinary folk who pay your wages might read. If you had a decent bedside medical manner you might be expected to already know that, very surprising you appear not too.

Doesn’t this conclude with a solution, where compensating wages, while maintaining the lock down, being a solution that covers both... the detrimental effects on health by the lock down and the virus?

[oliverjames199331]

Indeed. keep repeating one thing again and again doesn't mean you are right.

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does any country developed and vaccine to cure this corona virus?

[Skulltaker]

Mr Professor, the daily mail is meant for consumption by lay people, not perhaps expert medical specialists of your standing. However rather than just scanning it briefly in a derisory way, if you'd care to dig a bit deeper, it does helpfully link to the kind of articles that someone of your forensic analytical abilities might find useful. It might even get you to accept that there are other perhaps forgotten and overlooked consequences to a lockdown.

Recessions and health: the long-term health consequences of responses to the coronavirus.

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14799 *courtesy of prior linked daily mail article

I can also assure you that Fraser Nelson is very well connected to current UK government thinking and is not prone to making things up. He is also a very useful tool for bridging the gap between the kind of professional articles you might use, and the kind that the majority ordinary folk who pay your wages might read. If you had a decent bedside medical manner you might be expected to already know that, very surprising you appear not too.

The Daily Mail is trash. It lies, fabricates stories, deliberately misuses or outright makes up scientific facts. It is run by primitives, and it is enjoyed by primitives. If you count yourself among them, that's your problem, not mine. This has nothing to do with 'lays'. There are laymen, and there are morons. The two are not synonymous. The latter enjoy the Daily Mail, the former read actual Newspapers. Give it a try, maybe you'll enjoy not reading garbage for a change.

As for Mr. Nelson, as long as he doesn't back his claims up, he can be as well connected as he wants to be, it won't give him any more or less credit. It could cost up to 150.00 lives. Yeah, it could. Could also cost 10. Without a model, without a show of work, this number is 100% useless. By the way, the current UK government isn't exactly a staple of quality, you might want to rethink using it as such. Him being a 'useful tool' is a cute comparison, although I doubt he'd be happy to be called that by someone who cannot even speak proper English. In any case, there is a difference in between making complex themes comprehensible for the broad public, and the outright lies the Daily Mail publishes, or the way they misrepresent what he said.

In any case, I can see that you're trying to establish the readers of the Daily Mail as the ordinary British population. If that was the case you'd be fucked even harder than anybody knows you to be right now.

And last but not least, my patients don't pay my wages, the same way they don't pay your wage in whatever you do for a living. The hospital pays my wage. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to provoke out of me with attacking my bedside manner, but on the other hand it's exactly the kind of move I'd expect a reader of the likes of the Daily Mail to make. You couldn't make a coherent argument to save your life, so instead, you resort to belittling others. But sadly for you, I've seen what you stand for, I've seen what you cheer for, I've seen what kind of information you consume, I've seen how you argue. You're in no position to judge the quality of my bedside manner, so why don't you take your insult and stick it up your ass? Your criticism and attempts at ridicule mean nothing to me.

[Acidbaron]

People being exposed to the buffoonery (to put it nicely since it's Easter after all) that's called dribbles.
Still not completely convinced it isn't a persona being played.


So back on topic i do wonder how Easter is going to look like in the States, we had reports here in Belgium that the stay at home order has actually not been followed through as much the last two days, due to the weather people are back to hosting home parties.

[sabe]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
No deaths in China. They are probably shooting patients on the head before they die of virus.
Thanks to CCP for trying to cover Chinese Wuhan Virus and help spread to the world

[breadisfunny]

4477 new cases without new york new jersey or washington adding to the total that's not good

[Forogil]

The number of active cases goes down, that's the reason.

A bit, but the number of cases are still far from zero; and more than 2/3 of the cases are unconfirmed.

If the goal is the eradicate the virus in Austria, then opening up just because the cases have gone down a bit isn't good.
However, another factor is that number of tests have increased and the number of positive tests seem to have gone from 11% to 4% - that might indicate a belief that it is possible to test every suspect case - or just that the SORA-study are included in that and skews the result.
If the goal is just to mitigate so that health-care system isn't overwhelmed then increasing the number of cases would make sense, as the lockdown was too effective.
Obviously that is assuming there is a plan.

[xenogear3]

Finally, this virus is good for something.

I always think the food is too salty or too much sugar.
After I got this virus, everything is tasteless.

[Forogil]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
No deaths in China.

Today, if they actually updated the statistics today.

Recently they have reported a handful of deaths per day, and less than 100 new cases per day the latest month, but they no longer seem to state that all (or all except one) cases are imported; and the latest report was at 99 new cases so it's possible that the number of case are starting to increase again.

[shadowmouse]

it's possible that the number of case are starting to increase again.

That has been a concern here. Purely as a personal guess, the relaxation of some restrictions now is probably being watched to see if things are going to be manageable for the next big holiday -- International Labor Day -- which is coming up fast.

[Granyala]

And last but not least, my patients don't pay my wages, the same way they don't pay your wage in whatever you do for a living.

Unless you work in a privatized clinic, the tax payer pays your wages (although the money goes through a lot of hands before it reaches you).
So, in a sense: yes, your patients pay your wage. Just as the customers of a store pay the wage of the salesman.

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Finally, this virus is good for something.

I always think the food is too salty or too much sugar.
After I got this virus, everything is tasteless.

Enjoy it while it lasts, IIRC that effect is temporary.

[Skulltaker]

Unless you work in a privatized clinic, the tax payer pays your wages (although the money goes through a lot of hands before it reaches you).
So, in a sense: yes, your patients pay your wage. Just as the customers of a store pay the wage of the salesman.

Yes, in the same sense as everybody pays everyone's wages. If you make it change hands often enough, I am paying Vladimir Putin. It's a silly argument, sorry. Every individual in our economy depends on others. I pay for whatever these patients of mine produce, so I am paying their salaries just as they are paying mine. That doesn't entitle me to anything.

[Granyala]

That doesn't entitle me to anything.

Never said it did. Stop being so offended.
While I understand that @dribbles can annoy, you are reacting quite emotionally. Don't let him get to you.
BTW: how's your health? Did you manage to fight the damn thing off?

[Crissi]

Your comment is pretty ignorant and disgusting. Obviously no one wants people to die from the corona virus. Its a horrific way to go that I would not wish upon any human being.

But ravaging the economy has its own nightmares too that cannot be downplayed by comments like "BUT TEH ECONOMIEZZZZ is stupid". People are watching their entire retirement savings be wiped out. It may not recover before they can retire. Families planning to pay their kids college have lost those funds. They may never get to recover before their kid starts school. Saying something like "it will eventually recover" means shit all to them if their reality is in the present. Our response to the COVID-19 pandemic has to address all of the facets of society that it effects. Your narrow minded view is dangerous if you try to discount all the variables that contribute to greater sense of public health.

Maybe its just cause I remember my grandparents talking about the great depression and how they lived through it, but in my family we generally prioritize each other over money. Its how they got through the Great Depression despite having very little money, and its how we can get through this. And I feel their advice is more important to me, given they also lived through the Spanish Flu as kids, and my grandmother also managed to get smallpox.

and yes it does, which is why re opening has to be done slowly. A sudden surge in cases from too much exposure is just gonna put us right back where we are currently. Stuff like sports and theme parks, becauseof how crowded they are, should be the very last things to return to normal. Possibly start with the semi essential first after we take enough of a dip, but with social distancing still in place. Resturaunts at 1/3 capacity and the like.

But when you have people like my idiot Lt. Gov saying grandparents should die for the economy, or the guy I quoted earlier, thats much more sociopathic than anything I stated, and its irresponsible to compare my statement to theirs.

[Granyala]

But when you have people like my idiot Lt. Gov saying grandparents should die for the economy, or the guy I quoted earlier, thats much more sociopathic than anything I stated, and its irresponsible to compare my statement to theirs.

Well my grandparents can die for the economy but only after all these 80yr old looking idiot blowhard politicians no one needs die first!