This is why I tell you that they are still alive, the Icecrown zone will be updated and the NPCs too, so the faction The Silver Covenant is still current.
The Argent tournament 2.0 as a Shadowlands pre-patch, Ca would be too cool
This is why I tell you that they are still alive, the Icecrown zone will be updated and the NPCs too, so the faction The Silver Covenant is still current.
The Argent tournament 2.0 as a Shadowlands pre-patch, Ca would be too cool
It'd be nice if those datamined Silver Covenant NPCs, after staring death in face, feel like they need to reach out to Umbric and Alleria and take the void plunge to better protect themselves from such otherworldly powers. Then we'd have explicitly high elven originating Ren'dorei and we could put this whole thing to bed.
I'm talking about the dwarf ambassador and spies those were put in as post justification to push the blood elves towards the horde.
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Again why in the world when they had been in stormwind for 10 years would they go serve the horde. Have you ever played alliance? There is a cinematic with anduin where there is just a line of coffins talking about the cost of the war. If they have been in dalaran or stormwind for 10 years witnessing the atrocities the horde has committed they would not have any interest in going back. If the alliance attacked Quel'thalas likely in retaliation for yet another unprovoked attack like Teld it's very likely the Silver Covenant would march with them. Alleria tried to extend the hand of friendship to get the blood elves to join the alliance and was slapped away.
You don't even need to find an explanation for pink skin void elves, because who actually gives a fuck. Just slap some pink onto those void elves and enjoy. This is such a no-brainer for Blizzard.
That's a bit more of a gray area, sure. The story itself presents that more as a justification than a reason, so to speak, but it's a valid one nonetheless. The Blood Elves were already working with the Horde when that occurs (an informal arrangement with Forsaken as the Horde's proxy), and that did very little to endear the already tipping government in Silvermoon to the Alliance cause. I'd argue the Alliance more shot itself in the foot than the spying incident forcibly pushing the Blood Elves away, but the end-result is more or less the same.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Yup no race in the initial allied race set should have been locked to one faction they all should have been neutral.
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Except it's not valid. It's like if blizzard decided Anduin and Liandrin were going to get married with no prior justification and put in some crazy romantic set of quests of him proving his love for a women he barely knew. Sure it would be "justification" of the relationship but it would be post justification so people who cared about lore would understandably have a fit. I purposefully choose something beyond ridiculous since there are probably terabytes of that type of art about anduin and sylvanas having a hate relationship and very little about Liandrin who is just kind of there.
Same on the mottled skins!
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This too. Especially when we are in the current environment where Danuser effectively has said they'll put the options out there and players can come up with their own reasonings for those choices.
I've got to admit - I am unsure of what you're trying to get at here. You are saying the Alliance spying on the Blood Elves in Quel'Thalas is an invalid reason for them to join the Horde? Being spied upon, and having non-allied forces in your land is generally not thought of a good thing, especially if said non-allied forces are ones you're not on the best of terms with (e.g. the state of affairs between Silvermoon and Stormwind at that time). Tensions were already high given the sentiments stemming from the Second and Third Wars, and the revelation that an Alliance diplomat was acting as spy on sovereign territory was simply the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Quel'Thalas is a powerful nation, and the Alliance had likely heard that Sylvanas and her Forsaken were lending them their aid, and so were likely rightfully worried about the prospect of the Horde gaining a client-state on their very doorstep. I can see why the Alliance might want to gain more intelligence on their former allies, and fear a partnership between the Blood Elves and the Horde.
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Depends on your frame of reference, I suppose. Do things happen in a story that serve to move the general action to specific points? Certainly, yes. But that is the story as it is being told, and not really something we can truly debate. It's like if you're watching a movie and a given character does something dumb, something you'd never do yourself, that pushes the plot along a given direction. Yeah, you can point out that said action is just a way of moving the story from point A to point B, but that's how stories basically work. It's not a post-hoc justification by any means, it's just an action done for narrative or dramatic effect.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Ohhhh, even the Quartermaster? Now that's interesting! I'm just happy to see the Silver Covenant still around, hope they do something interesting yay!
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Okay so I just realized that these are all High Elves present during the Argent Tournament on the High Elven pavillion. So I think the two most likely possibilities are:
-A flashback during the time of the Argent Tournament.
-They are still on Icecrown and will show for a reason during the introductory quests.
I think the later is the more likely, so they will either aid the players during our initial assault to the Shadowlands, or they will be a casualty.
EDIT: A cursory look also reveals the Sunreaver counterparts to have been added as well, so maybe the Argent Tournament former grounds will be relevant at some point?
EDIT ": It seems all the Argent Tournament NPC's were added, so I think it mostly means we will pass through there or the grounds will be relevant for a reason.
Weird to think they are still all there.
Last edited by MyWholeLifeIsThunder; 2020-04-12 at 09:56 PM.
Something will happen in this area, it will be redesigned for the Shadowlands pre-patch (Cinematic, quests ect ...) as for each extension.