devs dont give a damn about druids and shadowlands is proof of it

[deathshere]

R.I.P Feral

Balance is just going back to what it was in early expansions just watered down and less abilities and heals
restore is just w/e Nourish is good but at this point its just a filler

and guardian is just a bear sponge

shooting stars is a joke, stellar flare is a waste of a talent tree and needs to just be turned into a dot that afflicts a target hit by starsurge, still cant spam shift.

Reduced the Duration of Barkskin from 12 second to 8 seconds... Really???

Need to give druids something new and fresh, like being able to shape-shift into a green dragon.

The only good things i see out of this is Soul Of the Forest, and Restore Affinity now lets all specializations use Ursols Vortex.

Faction Abilties Tell me people, out of all the factions which one gives the best spell, shouldnt be too hard to figure out

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...indred-spirits

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...adaptive-swarm

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...ke-the-spirits

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...avenous-frenzy ( GEE I WONDER HOW THIS IS GONNA BE COUNTERED IN PVP )

[Zimpoli]

I've been playing a Druid since 2007 and these are some of the most promising changes I've seen so far.

Hard disagree to everything you said, except I wouldn't pass up a dragon form.

[ErrandRunner]

Druids have been the most buffed class in about 4 of the last 5 expansions. Take off the blinders.

[Venziir]

*Laughs and cries in elemental shaman*

[DrIvoRobotnik]

*Laughs and cries in elemental shaman*

*Laughs and cries in Warlock*

[keldarepewpew]

Druid has always been blizzards fav healer wtf is op saying.

[sunxsera]

*Laughs and cries in Warlock*

*Laughs and cries in (SV) Hunter*

[Biomega]

I think you must have missed the fact that just about every class/spec now has a thread like this open - i.e. the real problem is THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ANY CLASS/SPEC.

My suspicion is that the whole "omg guys dat UNPRUNING tho!" was nothing but a marketing ploy meant to distract people from how little work they're actually putting into addressing one of the biggest complaints in BFA: fucked up class/spec mechanics and unfun rotations. I'm not sure there's even ONE class/spec that got meaningfully improved by the unpruning. Frost Mages look at their shiny Fireblast button and think to themselves great I can push this and do less damage, what a fantastic new tool. Meanwhile the core of most specs is either still terrible, or got WORSE, with very few exceptions; and even those didn't improve majorly, for the most part, and only got a nice perk or two.

Druid is just one of many classes suffering from this illusion of fixing.

But hey, I'm so glad we're getting Autochess in WoW now! That'll change EVERYTHING!

[Cathfaern]

The problem with the druid class is that there is a two totally distinct fantasy here:
1. Generalist who can do everything
2. Wild god worshipper specialist

For the first group it would be the best if there would be no spec at all and you could change roles by changing gears and talents. But this requires that every role is worse than their "pure" (other class) counterpart (so hybrid tax all the way). The generalist people don't care about this, they want to see themselves as a jack-of-all-trade supporter role.

The second group simply likes the shapeshifting or nature lover fantasy, but want a "pure" dps / healer / tank character (so no hybrid tax).

The SL take is preferring the first (generalist) fantasy. And you cannot do good for both fantasy, because if you make the spec equal to other classes' spec then you can allow to much "offspec" usage because it would be overpowered. The only solution would be adding a 5th spec which should be the generalist spec, and let the 4 existing spec be as specialist as they can. But I don't think it will ever happen.

[Raugnaut]

R.I.P Feral

Balance is just going back to what it was in early expansions just watered down and less abilities and heals
restore is just w/e Nourish is good but at this point its just a filler

and guardian is just a bear sponge

shooting stars is a joke, stellar flare is a waste of a talent tree and needs to just be turned into a dot that afflicts a target hit by starsurge, still cant spam shift.

Reduced the Duration of Barkskin from 12 second to 8 seconds... Really???

Need to give druids something new and fresh, like being able to shape-shift into a green dragon.

The only good things i see out of this is Soul Of the Forest, and Restore Affinity now lets all specializations use Ursols Vortex.

Faction Abilties Tell me people, out of all the factions which one gives the best spell, shouldnt be too hard to figure out

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...indred-spirits

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...adaptive-swarm

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...ke-the-spirits

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...avenous-frenzy ( GEE I WONDER HOW THIS IS GONNA BE COUNTERED IN PVP )

Barkskin - Yes, it's duration was reduced from 12 to 8 seconds, but non-Ferals get +4 seconds on it's duration via a rank 2 effect.

Guardian has basically just been a high armor damage sponge since forever. Only expansion in which Bear's DIDN'T tank via just soaking everything to the face was MoP, in which SD turned bears into a slight bit of an avoidance tank (Personally, worst iteration of Bears so far). WoD went back to the direction of Bears tanking things with large HP pool and armor with the MS bonus.

Overall, Druids do NOT need needless changes like how Blizz has been butchering every spec for the past 3 expansions. Feral has been nearly rotationally Perfect for years, with BfA finally fixing Feral's ONLY weakness in the game - Sustain AoE. With the readdition of Barkskin AND previously removed druid utility, Feral will soar.

Guardian is fine. Resto is fine.

Balance is being reverted a bit from the mess Legion turned it into.

If you are just tired of playing, the issue isn't druids, it's you.

[Cyanu]

R.I.P Feral

Balance is just going back to what it was in early expansions just watered down and less abilities and heals
restore is just w/e Nourish is good but at this point its just a filler

and guardian is just a bear sponge

shooting stars is a joke, stellar flare is a waste of a talent tree and needs to just be turned into a dot that afflicts a target hit by starsurge, still cant spam shift.

Reduced the Duration of Barkskin from 12 second to 8 seconds... Really???

Need to give druids something new and fresh, like being able to shape-shift into a green dragon.

The only good things i see out of this is Soul Of the Forest, and Restore Affinity now lets all specializations use Ursols Vortex.

Faction Abilties Tell me people, out of all the factions which one gives the best spell, shouldnt be too hard to figure out

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...indred-spirits

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...adaptive-swarm

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...ke-the-spirits

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spel...avenous-frenzy ( GEE I WONDER HOW THIS IS GONNA BE COUNTERED IN PVP )

yeah, how could those heartless bastards dare not to include Green Dragon Form!

it's all a joke man, it sucks, it's so terrible there are not words to describe it!

RIP WoW! it's dead to me!

[Raugnaut]

The problem with the druid class is that there is a two totally distinct fantasy here:
1. Generalist who can do everything
2. Wild god worshipper specialist

For the first group it would be the best if there would be no spec at all and you could change roles by changing gears and talents. But this requires that every role is worse than their "pure" (other class) counterpart (so hybrid tax all the way). The generalist people don't care about this, they want to see themselves as a jack-of-all-trade supporter role.

The second group simply likes the shapeshifting or nature lover fantasy, but want a "pure" dps / healer / tank character (so no hybrid tax).

The SL take is preferring the first (generalist) fantasy. And you cannot do good for both fantasy, because if you make the spec equal to other classes' spec then you can allow to much "offspec" usage because it would be overpowered. The only solution would be adding a 5th spec which should be the generalist spec, and let the 4 existing spec be as specialist as they can. But I don't think it will ever happen.

There is no Hybrid Tax in retail. Hasn't been since TBC.

[craigp100]

Reduced the Duration of Barkskin from 12 second to 8 seconds... Really???

The duration is not being reduced per say, the +4s duration is simply being added in as a levelling perk at level 43 for all specs. This is part of Blizzard's tact to make levelling feel more rewarding and you can see the other passives over at wowhead's shadowlands talent calculator (here) under class abilites (top right corner) along with their level requirements.

[Talrath]

*Laughs and cries in elemental shaman*

Yeah, people forget elemental shamans, but they are much more fun to play then feral though (coming from a feral main). I couldnt believe how much more fun elemental was compared to feral, where you only get stress.

[Aleksej89]

i wish druids had all useful forms like it was in older expansions.

I dont like this "pick 1 talent for form that will half suck while your other forms dont even have an ability" design.

[Talrath]

I just want them to make feral fun and thats it, I dont have to be on the top dps list, but I do have a suggestion. Why not dump the entire Kitty dps in the garbage! Now now, no need to do a witch hunt on me, let me explain. There are 24 dps specs that want to be numbero uno, woooo #1. There are classes that are fun to play. Both these things feral doesnt have anymore. So feral in to the garbage and lets shop for something new instead of patching an engine with ductape.

So I had been thinking ferals arent actually loved, Always hearing: moonkin or beat, when I tried to enter a group or raid. So what makes people want to take a spec? Well the answer is Obvious, if they do a high number of dps/healing, because of this they tend to brag. So why not make feral a support/dps class where their rotation is like this:

Rotation 1: Gives all nearby ranged dps a certain buff, hast/crit, whatever, blizzard can choose which stat.
Rotation 2: Gives all nearby melee classes a certain buff regarding dmg.
Rotation 3: Gives all nearby tanks certain physical resistence or magical resistence.
Rotation 4: Gives all nearby healers some buff regarding healing.
Rotation 5: Gives everyone 50% faster running speed (good for mechanics)

The better you are with your rotation the longer the buffs are. If the above is just a headache, you can also just say, put on an aura for a group who you want to buff, healers/ranged/melee/tanks. Imagine if raids want to have a support, then at a mythic raid they have to get 5 kittys. You get more invites in mythic dungouns and other raids. People will actually be pleading to buff the melee instead of ranged. So anyone?

[Venziir]

Yeah, people forget elemental shamans, but they are much more fun to play then feral though (coming from a feral main). I couldnt believe how much more fun elemental was compared to feral, where you only get stress.

I only played feral a tiny bit in BFA, and it seemed "okay", but sure I can see your point.

[Venziir]

add to that the tears of Outlaw rogues in their forum, Paldins being annoyed about Holy Power coming back to Prot and wait for more class changes being datamined and we can all come together and agree...Blizzard hates everyone equally.

Hah, to qoute Slayer:
"I hate everyone equally
You can't tear that out of me
No segregation separation
Just me in my world of enemies"

[Cathfaern]

There is no Hybrid Tax in retail. Hasn't been since TBC.

That's really what you've understand from my comment?

[Raugnaut]

That's really what you've understand from my comment?

That was the only point you seemed to be making. Druid is not a "generalist" as you put it. There ARE no "generalist" nor "specialists" in this game anymore. At worst, there's only specs with a moderate advantage in one category (I.E. Cleave, burst AoE, sustain AoE, multi-dot, single-target burst/sustain) in exchange for a loss in a different category (Except DHs, who have it all in a single spec).

Boomkin is not weaker then other caster specs because they can respec into tank/melee/heal. Boomkin is one of the STRONGER caster specs in all aspects of the game right now. Feral is not weaker then other melee specs because they can respec into tank/caster/heal. They are more middle of the pack right now, with a few of the "pure" melee specs actually being worst then Feral. Guardian is not weaker because they can respec into caster/melee/heal. They aren't the weakest tank right now, and keep in mind that last expansion they were the top tank for, well, everything (The resulting nerfs without any other changes combined with buffs to other tanks going into BfA is what moved Guardian down to the bottom, and even there Guardian wasn't the worst tank). Resto is not weaker then other healers, and have been both a solid raid, solid PvP for both arena and RBG, and the BEST M+ healer the entire expansion.

Druids are not suffering at ALL for their ability to do everything. Expansion after Expansion, Druids have been among the stronger classes, and every now and then one of the strongest specs in a category bar none. In BfA, compare I.E. Boomkin to one of the "pure" caster specs, Warlocks - Warlocks have been preforming poorly for Raiding and is considered the WORST class to bring to a M+, all expansion long. In PvP, the only viable spec is Destruction, with Affliction having poor preformance atm, and Demonology barely existing.

Your supposed problem isn't a problem at all. Each specilization of the Druid has their own unique playstyle AND lore - Guardian druids are worshipers of Ursoc and Ursol. Feral Druids are in tune with their bestial side. Balance druids are in-tune with the cosmos (Bleh, hate where Balance went in terms of cosmetic design). Resto druids are in tune with plants and growth. They aren't a "Generalist jack-of-all-trades" like in Classic, they are each fully specilized now, and Blizz is bringing back the ability for them TO be slightly more "generalist".