Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Machismo]

They literally changed the rules to allow someone without any grassroots support on debate stage. How that is seen as anything but unacceptable is beyond me.

They are free to let other people in, he had the polling numbers.

I guess they should have never let Bernie in, since he's not actually a Democrat... right?

[Machismo]

Your purposefully propping up strawmen, the reason why I chimed in on the issue in the first place.

The entire point that was being made was how the DNC tried to shoehorn Bloomberg in against their own proclaimed rules and values - a bad pattern of behavior. That's it, plain and simple.

The DNC often sells it soul then wonders why elections do not go its way. 2016, 2014, 2010, and 2004.

And yet, you declared he shouldn't be allowed in, based on ideology... do you get the logical inconsistency?

If you don't like it, then leave the Democratic Party. Just don't bitch and moan that they are not pandering to you. I don't bitch that they don't pander to my libertarian beliefs.

Which debate was Harris not allowed in?

[Felya]

Youre not old. What's the difference between a live event that's streamed over the internet and a live stream...

WWE Raw on Monday is a live event. Cesaro playing games on twitch is streaming.

Im guessing Biden doesn't hold any events.

I told you he has... he has even been ridiculed for his “bunker”... I keep putting it in quotes for a reason... include it in your Biden google search. You’ll get people making fun of it...

[Machismo]

Trump won because he managed to take a lot of working class votes from Hilary. Working-class labour is the target audience for socialism.

Then, why didn't those working class people vote for Bernie in the primaries?

Oops.

Of course, you keep saying both parties are the same, and have yet to source those claims.

[Felya]

Trump won because he managed to take a lot of working class votes from Hilary. Working-class labour is the target audience for socialism.

No, it’s the target audience of populism. You don’t elect a corporation, as a socialist. Trickle down, which is what Trump represents, isn’t socialism.

[Theodarzna]

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but imagine if he had gotten a bunch of delegates, or even won the nomination without ever having to actually...debate people and be accountable to questioning, etc. The issue for the DNC was that he was using his practically unlimited funding to control his own narrative without subjecting himself to the rigors and pressures that other candidates were going through. What else were they supposed to do?

Given how utterly cordial and polite the debates were, I wonder why he'd fear them. Nobody landed a single punch. The strongest hitters were Tulsi Gabbard really, everyone else was playing super nice compared to past primaries.

[Felya]

Then, why didn't those working class people vote for Bernie in the primaries?

Oops.

Of course, you keep saying both parties are the same, and have yet to source those claims.

Trump claiming the rich will trickle down their wealth with enough tax cuts is not socialism. What the fuck is wrong with people... Reagan is now a fucking socialist... what the fuck...

[Machismo]

Trump claiming the rich will trickle down their wealth with enough tax cuts is not socialism. What the fuck is wrong with people... Reagan is now a fucking socialist... what the fuck...

I'm a libertarian, so all y'all be socialists.

[Machismo]

Because they aren't democrats, obviously.

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No its not, Trump is a liar. However people voted for him because he was offering them something...even if it was bullshit. Hilary took their votes for granted.

And yet, many are open primaries, so that doesn't matter. What matters is evidence, and I haven't seen any from you to back up your bullshit claims.

https://www.businessinsider.com/whic...maries-2019-11

And yet, Bernie still lost. It seems your narrative doesn't pass scrutiny.

[PACOX]

And yet, you declared he shouldn't be allowed in, based on ideology... do you get the logical inconsistency?

If you don't like it, then leave the Democratic Party. Just don't bitch and moan that they are not pandering to you. I don't bitch that they don't pander to my libertarian beliefs.

Which debate was Harris not allowed in?

I'm not a Democrat.

[Machismo]

I'm not a Democrat.

Great, then they have no reason to pander to you in the primaries.

You still haven't stated which debate Harris was kicked out of.

I only ask, because I cannot seem to find which one that was:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_D...ential_debates

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You know what? Many are not.

The evidence (that you ignored) was provided. Alas, I'm still waiting on yours.

And yes, I did notice you edited it out. The willful ignorance is obvious at this point.

[Machismo]

Yes how can it possibly be the case that the candidate backed by billionaire media owners and corporations won.

It must be solely down to the strength of the candidate! I'm sure the vast fortunes expended on this race were just a flippant waste of money.

But, you are the one claiming Bernie resonates with the masses... which means you are now arguing against yourself, and losing. If it was about money, then why isn't Bloomberg the nominee?

Of course, Bernie made more money than Biden... so once again, you are wrong.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ndraising.html

Oops.

[Deadite]

Yeah, it's a good thing post histories exist.

lol half of them have nothing to do with Trump and the other half are me saying Trump is a wanker or pointing out that if you went after Trump for all the legitimately horrible stuff he has done instead of everything he does you would have been rid of him by now. I do find it funny you spent the time finding shit but not reading it.

[Machismo]

lol half of them have nothing to do with Trump and the other half are me saying Trump is a wanker or pointing out that if you went after Trump for all the legitimately horrible stuff he has done instead of everything he does you would have been rid of him by now. I do find it funny you spent the time finding shit but not reading it.

Yeah, I called you a mile away, it was easy. Hell, I called you before you even came into the conversation.

[PACOX]

WWE Raw on Monday is a live event. Cesaro playing games on twitch is streaming.



I told you he has... he has even been ridiculed for his “bunker”... I keep putting it in quotes for a reason... include it in your Biden google search. You’ll get people making fun of it...

If Sanders gets a teleconferences a bunch of people to hold a townhall and raise money, is that not a life event even if they aren't at a live venue?

In entertainers do the same thing, is that not a live event?

WoW had some event the other. I don't know what it was because I don't play WoW. We're they just 'streaming' or was that a live event?

But back to my original point. Biden wants to President but he is not really using his platform, or any, to help Tyr country through a serious crisis. Even if he only cares about winning he could be pretending to be a leader right now. The man should be running a parallel conference to Trump everyday if only to show people he could lead through a crisis better.

[Deadite]

Yeah, I called you a mile away, it was easy. Hell, I called you before you even came into the conversation.

I really am baffled now. I don't even understand what your talking about now.

[Machismo]

If Sanders gets a teleconferences a bunch of people to hold a townhall and raise money, is that not a life event even if they aren't at a live venue?

In entertainers do the same thing, is that not a live event?

WoW had some event the other. I don't know what it was because I don't play WoW. We're they just 'streaming' or was that a live event?

I really want to step in and call you out for something. You just pushed a narrative that the DNC ushered in Bloomberg, but blocked Harris from being on stage. That was not the case, as I showed. Your narrative is about them being unfair, and it is a false narrative (you failed to provide evidence, and the evidence I found showed otherwise). Is this a claim you are willing to retract, specifically about the DNC booting Harris from the "stage?"

This is what you said:

Trump and his ilk begged for Biden too, though...

Also the DNC specifically let Bloomberg on stage where you had someone like Harris who had solid poll numbers but no money at the time of departure due DNC rules. The DNC and many Dems here were absolutely ready to rally behind Bloomberg despite how those on the left saying they could never vote for him.

Is there evidence that is what they did to Harris?

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I really am baffled now. I don't even understand what your talking about now.

I'm making my case about the types of people coming around here. I made it rather well. There's lots of them.

[Deadite]

I'm making my case about the types of people coming around here. I made it rather well. There's lots of them.

People who don't like Trump and Biden? Yeah the forum is full of them.

[Machismo]

People who don't like Trump and Biden? Yeah the forum is full of them.

The evidence was provided, enjoy!!!

[Felya]

If Sanders gets a teleconferences a bunch of people to hold a townhall and raise money, is that not a life event even if they aren't at a live venue?

The ‘if’ is important... who cares... if... did he?

In entertainers do the same thing, is that not a live event?

You are going off a little hard on semantics, I already said, if that’s you definition of a live event, than Biden is doing them. No... if...

WoW had some event the other. I don't know what it was because I don't play WoW. We're they just 'streaming' or was that a live event?

But back to my original point. Biden wants to President but he is not really using his platform, or any, to help Tyr country through a serious crisis. Even if he only cares about winning he could be pretending to be a leader right now. The man should be running a parallel conference to Trump everyday if only to show people he could lead through a crisis better.

But, he is holding “live events”... that’s thing you are trying to define as Biden should be doing, is being done based on your definition. He isn’t doing it based on mine, but that’s irrelevant.