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    Plot hole in Warbringers: Azshara

    In the short, N'zoth says "For ten thousand years, bound beneath these waves..."

    According to Chronicle, his prison was landlocked and above water until after the Sundering. Derp.

    Was there an abandoned idea to have his prison be in the little lake adjacent to the Well of Eternity?

    But isn't the Well where Yshaarj was?

    Seems muddled.
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    The land mass where N'Zoth's prison complex was was likely dislodged and sank beneath the waves after the Sundering, 10,000+ years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    The land mass where N'Zoth's prison complex was was likely dislodged and sank beneath the waves after the Sundering, 10,000+ years ago.
    The short OP mentions is set during that Sundering. N'zorth has supposedly been underwater before the Sundering.

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    Maybe Blizzard can fix two mistakes at once, and say that the Underwater lake that the Deeprun tram runs through was once part of N'zoth's prison, an attempt to use massive amounts of water pressure to keep him subdued. I imagine that if the Sundering did indeed throw N'zoth's prison underwater, it wouldn't have held up as well if it wasn't DESIGNED for that. Look how fragile the prisons of the other Old Gods were. No way N'zoth's wouldn't break and free him.

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    I guess its a bit of an error cause if you look at whta the prison(Or the chains rather) is at the end of EP it feels a bit hard to say it was underground at some point. Best to think he was always underwater at that point.
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    Well the titans thought his prison was above the waves but we know now that they didn’t know everything.

    ...but Really you should disregard all lore about Warcraft now, the writers have been given the ability to more or less rewrite the backstory of everyone based on the cool factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kansor View Post
    In the short, N'zoth says "For ten thousand years, bound beneath these waves..."

    According to Chronicle, his prison was landlocked and above water until after the Sundering. Derp.

    Was there an abandoned idea to have his prison be in the little lake adjacent to the Well of Eternity?

    But isn't the Well where Yshaarj was?

    Seems muddled.

    It's impossible to know now because of Blizzard literally fucking over all of Chronicle saying it's from a specific perspective and not concrete lore like it was originally stated. If N'zoth is being truthful then the Titans lied to keep the mortal races in check, if N'zoth is lying then he's simply lying.
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    Btw the actual quote is "For a thousand years". not ten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selastan View Post
    The short OP mentions is set during that Sundering. N'zorth has supposedly been underwater before the Sundering.

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    Maybe Blizzard can fix two mistakes at once, and say that the Underwater lake that the Deeprun tram runs through was once part of N'zoth's prison, an attempt to use massive amounts of water pressure to keep him subdued. I imagine that if the Sundering did indeed throw N'zoth's prison underwater, it wouldn't have held up as well if it wasn't DESIGNED for that. Look how fragile the prisons of the other Old Gods were. No way N'zoth's wouldn't break and free him.
    Headcanoned. Say he was imprisoned in an underwater reservoir or something. Damn, would've been cool if there were an entire underground ocean that stretched beneath the continent and that was where Nyalotha was, sort of like the Underdark in D&D. That way you have actual "waves".
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    BFA is a plothole. I would honestly be let down if the 'writers' didn't make some rookie mistake in every bfa associated work.

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    another plot hole is, she used the scepter to put up the barrier.

    here, she uses only hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Btw the actual quote is "For a thousand years". not ten.
    he watched her for over a thousand years before the Sundering iirc.
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    They had no prior build-up and instead tried to leech off of already established things people are familiar with. The Scourge? Maldraxxus did that. The Lich King? The Jailer did that. Frostmourne? The Runecarver made that. Sargeras corruption by demons and everything resulting from that? Also the Jailer's plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    he watched for over a thousand years before the Sundering iirc.

    3 min mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post

    3 min mark.
    oh yeah, you're right but he followed with I watched you.

    but yeah, Blizzard and it's plot holes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    They had no prior build-up and instead tried to leech off of already established things people are familiar with. The Scourge? Maldraxxus did that. The Lich King? The Jailer did that. Frostmourne? The Runecarver made that. Sargeras corruption by demons and everything resulting from that? Also the Jailer's plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selastan View Post
    The short OP mentions is set during that Sundering. N'zorth has supposedly been underwater before the Sundering.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Maybe Blizzard can fix two mistakes at once, and say that the Underwater lake that the Deeprun tram runs through was once part of N'zoth's prison, an attempt to use massive amounts of water pressure to keep him subdued. I imagine that if the Sundering did indeed throw N'zoth's prison underwater, it wouldn't have held up as well if it wasn't DESIGNED for that. Look how fragile the prisons of the other Old Gods were. No way N'zoth's wouldn't break and free him.
    Perhaps the original Kalimdor supercontinent had an underground sea of some sort? We've seen far stranger, after all. I don't think the prison installations of the Old Gods were really completely physical, either - the manifestations of chains that bind them appear Arcane in nature, probably some form of advanced celestial magic. I doubt water alone would really break those bonds, but forces working at them from the outside and over the eons certainly could.
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    Should point out the Titans POV is mostly to give Blizz an opening when there's something undiscovered that we haven't seen before and it sorta conflicts with Chronicle. That doesn't mean suddenly everything about the lore is false, its true until a new development arrises. Like if for some reason there's a lesser Old God or something else on Azeroth, its still plausible.

    Not really a plot hole but back to the OP. N'zoth watched Azshara for about 1000 years. He was basically saying "I know how you think and what you do, so I am in charge in here."
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    Quote Originally Posted by kansor View Post
    Headcanoned. Say he was imprisoned in an underwater reservoir or something. Damn, would've been cool if there were an entire underground ocean that stretched beneath the continent and that was where Nyalotha was, sort of like the Underdark in D&D. That way you have actual "waves".
    Just thinking about how dope Nyalotha couldve been, and then looking at what we got, makes me cringe. BfA is truly at least on WoD lvl, if we look at wasted story potential.
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    Don't expect them to invest to much thought into the story. They have given that up a while ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    oh yeah, you're right but he followed with I watched you.

    but yeah, Blizzard and it's plot holes.
    I mean Gandalf could have summoned the bird and just have Frodo fly it over and drop the ring in. But hey, it's only a travesty when Blizzard does it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhammer View Post
    I mean Gandalf could have summoned the bird and just have Frodo fly it over and drop the ring in. But hey, it's only a travesty when Blizzard does it.
    The difference between tolkein and blizzard is that blizzard would have forgotten they gave Frodo an interdimensional spacecraft with an orbital ion cannon last expansion just so he could job to sylvanas.

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    Well then Chronicle is wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. New lore > old, and that video shows his prison being underwater before the Sundering. Do you know how many WC3 maps became grossly innaccurate over time once they actually built the zones in-game? We literally just had two islands inflate to the size of small continents and un-sunk Suramar.
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    You have to remember that Chronicle is written from the point of view of the Titans, and is not meant to be taken as "fact". Blizzard is well aware of their lore, and doesn't just "forget" about it. This universe is 25 years old, and is bound to have some kind of alternations to keep the story vibrant and fresh. People don't give Blizzard enough credit for keeping this story going for over 2 decades, and act like just because they personally don't like something that that means all the writers are bad at their jobs. The level of arrogance and entitlement from people who haven't done 5 minutes of writing between each other, is just astounding. These people will complain and judge regardless because they have nothing better to do, while having contributing absolutely nothing valuable to society. If they think they can write a better story, then lets see it... Otherwise, shut up.
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