The Last of Us Part II

[Tech614]

you might not like what i say but shoving identity politics on a game / movie is trash

You mean writing Ellie as gay, when she has always been written as gay, long before TLOU2 was even being planned or written?

OH THE HORROR GAY PEOPLE IN MUH VIDYAGAYMES. SJWs are trash /s

I encourage you to grow up.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Literally the ENTIRE game has been leaked and many devs going on to say that is exactly what it is. It isn't speculation, you can literally see the game. As well, Neil Druckman is a very vocal SJW and has gone on record to love identity politics and is all for that for stuff. I mean, he commended Anita Sarkeesian on her "excellent" work in the gaming community. Most of the development team quit and they had to hire new staff because they lost faith in the project as well were very mistreated and overworked. This game has no defense. Again, this is not speculation, the whole game was leaked already...there is no context that could maybe fix it.

You still haven't explained what said SJW stuff is.

[niztheundead87]

You mean writing Ellie as gay, when she has always been written as gay, long before TLOU2 was even being planned or written?

OH THE HORROR GAY PEOPLE IN MUH VIDYAGAYMES. SJWs are trash /s

I encourage you to grow up.

saying someone is gay and shoving in at you literally all the time are two diferent things

i encourage you to keep your opinion to yourself next time

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Yeah, those leaks are really bad. I didn't really want a sequel to TLoU, at least not one following Joel and Ellie. I'm not sure what direction they should have taken a sequel for these two, but this wasn't it. Honestly, it would have been better if they just followed someone else in this world and left Joel and Ellie's story as it was.

[Witchblade77]

saying someone is gay and shoving in at you literally all the time are two diferent things

i encourage you to keep your opinion to yourself next time

so when they SHOVE heterosexuality at you left and right, with all those heterosexual relationship and pda, its all fine and dandy, right? mature and realistic even, when its naked scenes in Witcher? its only when its gay people that it becomes a problem? am i understanding you correctly?

[Tech614]

saying someone is gay and shoving in at you literally all the time are two diferent things

i encourage you to keep your opinion to yourself next time

Tell me Mr Identity Politics was it an issue when Nathan Drake literally had relationships with 2 different females and on screen kissing and romantic scenes over the course of the series? Where was your crying back then?

[niztheundead87]

so when they SHOVE heterosexuality at you left and right, with all those heterosexual relationship and pda, its all fine and dandy, right? mature and realistic even, when its naked scenes in Witcher? its only when its gay people that it becomes a problem? am i understanding you correctly?

Remember a time when gaming companies made good games without any agenda? Good times.

I very much doubt people would have problems with these supposedly "woke" topics if they weren't presented in such an "in your face" and preachy manner, lacking any kind of subtlety and causing the medium to revolve around them.
Take Mordhau, for example. That game full of supposedly evil Naughtsees who don't like the people of the brown variety or somesuch. You could easily introduce a patch containing authentic oriental weaponry and fitting character customization and no one would bat an eye...But no. It's never enough for the vocal minority that doesn't even buy said games. Never appease these people and never apologize for wanting to see YOUR creative vision fulfilled. Let them make their own bloody game.

If people think that we are exageratting look at what the developers have to say:
The team is very much divided on the game, and even voicing your concerns on its story will upset certain individuals; it usually results in said person being called closed-minded or even phobic, or some such nonsense. Some people literally have to bite their tongues or fear losing their jobs, even careers, to an outrage mob.”

so my whole point flew over your head

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Tell me Mr Identity Politics was it an issue when Nathan Drake literally had relationships with 2 different females and on screen kissing and romantic scenes over the course of the series? Where was your crying back then?

whataboutism and missing the point

[Tech614]

Remember a time when gaming companies made good games without any agenda?

To not have an agenda, just have straight white male leads and you're good to go amirite?

Imagine a time where having female leads, PoC leads or LGBTQ leads is considered "having an agenda". Apparently there are people that actually believe this shit in 2020 as evidence right here.

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whataboutism and missing the point

Please link me to where you ever called out Naughty Dog for their "Agenda" when Nathan Drake was porking hot chicks.

You won't, because it didn't happen.

[niztheundead87]

To not have an agenda, just have straight white male leads and you're good to go amirite?

Imagine a time where having female leads, PoC leads or LGBTQ leads is considered "having an agenda". Apparently there are people that actually believe this shit in 2020 as evidence right here.

One thing is being gay and one other thing is shoving it around.

[Vluggedaafie]

its like beyond good and evil doesn't exist, or any games with a female lead without agenda
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oh wait

[beanman12345]

So from what I gather homophobes aren't gonna like this game?

[Poppincaps]

One thing is being gay and one other thing is shoving it around.

Ah I see, they're allowed to say they're gay, they're just not allowed to show affection to someone of the same sex in front of you. Makes sense...

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The idea that if a story doesn't conform to the beliefs and interests of conservative white men, that somehow it has an agenda is absolutely ridiculous.

[Fencers]

Wasn't Ellie gay in the first game? When she went to the mall and got bit by the zombies she was with her girlfriend. Am I remembering this game, correctly?

That's like the whole reason the first game's events occur. And what about the guy with the chessboard and his lover he was at odds with? Doesn't Ellie steal his homosexual porn in the car?

I don't understand.

[niztheundead87]

Ah I see, they're allowed to say they're gay, they're just not allowed to show affection to someone of the same sex in front of you. Makes sense...

I think some movies/games/books (and even workplaces) these days feel the need to tick a bunch of boxes as a kind of preemptive defence to ward off SJW attacks.

Which is the problem and my original point that flew entirely over your empty head

[Shaqthefat]

Wasn't Ellie gay in the first game? When she went to the mall and got bit by the zombies she was with her girlfriend. Am I remembering this game, correctly?

That's like the whole reason the first game's events occur. And what about the guy with the chessboard and his lover he was at odds with? Doesn't Ellie steal his homosexual porn in the car?

I don't understand.

That was the Left behind DLC. She was more straight in the first game than anything else because of her and sam. Not really anything major, but thats why her being a lesbian felt out of left field.

[Tech614]

That was the Left behind DLC. She was more straight in the first game than anything else because of her and sam. Not really anything major, but thats why her being a lesbian felt out of left field.

Left Behind takes place before the main game and in the main game Ellie literally mocks a nudey mag with hot guys in it as being gross. Her relationship with Sam wasn't romantic in any way, it was purely as a friend. Out of left field my ass lmao.

[Edge-]

I think some movies/games/books (and even workplaces) these days feel the need to tick a bunch of boxes as a kind of preemptive defence to ward off SJW attacks.

Or, these topics were once "taboo" or viewed as unmarketable/unsellable so these stories were either untold or relegated to much smaller scale projects.

And now that these are more socially acceptable and there has been a proven market for more diverse content beyond, "Gravely voiced, scruffy faced, strongmuscles McMacho dude" a lot of developers are exploring and creating those stories because these projects are getting greenlit.

It's not that they're "ticking off a bunch of boxes", it's that the "straight white dude story" demographic isn't the only profitable market anymore. And a lot of artists/creators are thrilled by this.

Which is the problem and my original point that flew entirely over your empty head

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but what I've gathered from your posts is that you're fine with LGBTQ+ characters...just as long as that aspect is never explored, really acknowledged, or any meaningful part of the story. They can exist as a box to tick off, but anything more than that is "forcing" it.

[Fencers]

That was the Left behind DLC. She was more straight in the first game than anything else because of her and sam. Not really anything major, but thats why her being a lesbian felt out of left field.

That's still part of the game's story though. And a wiki search confirms my memory that it was the entire impetus for the events of the game.

Also, all the other stuff still is in there like the old guy's chessboard, gay-porn, and Ellie's reaction and dialogue to seeing the full Monty for the first time.

I think it was always part of the characters.

[niztheundead87]

Or, these topics were once "taboo" or viewed as unmarketable/unsellable so these stories were either untold or relegated to much smaller scale projects.

And now that these are more socially acceptable and there has been a proven market for more diverse content beyond, "Gravely voiced, scruffy faced, strongmuscles McMacho dude" a lot of developers are exploring and creating those stories because these projects are getting greenlit.

It's not that they're "ticking off a bunch of boxes", it's that the "straight white dude story" demographic isn't the only profitable market anymore. And a lot of artists/creators are thrilled by this.



Please correct me if I'm wrong, but what I've gathered from your posts is that you're fine with LGBTQ+ characters...just as long as that aspect is never explored, really acknowledged, or any meaningful part of the story. They can exist as a box to tick off, but anything more than that is "forcing" it.

He openly said he supports Anita scam-rceesian what else do you need.

Again my whole hole point is that trashing a story for the sake of pandering to indetity politics is what's the problem here.

But you are the person that believed that a robot has a gender.

[Vluggedaafie]

what suprises me their isn't an inbetween if i don't like it im suddenly a straight white male? pardon me, where is the middle road
I don't like it because empowered female protagonist have been around way longer and suddenly its like ND is groundbreaking