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    Quote Originally Posted by Sansnom View Post
    "They are commies after all". What a backward view. As if the Westerners, we, are any better. Do you live there? Do anyone here have any experience of living in China is like or actually know anything about China besides reading a few articles on the net and watching a few video on youtube.

    Lets not pretend Europe or the US is any better morally. Look at the corruption over here by the big companies. The lobbyist influencing the government to do what they want.
    Lulz...

    As a guy who visited China on many occasions for business, I'll tell you - it's a very literal capitalist dystopian world masked as communism.

    If you have money AND keep your mouth shut about politics - you are a god there. You can literally effectively buy people there and pretty much almost in the open at that, as long as you share with some ranking official for cover.

    Communism there exists for the poor. Other than that it's like capitalism turned up to over 9000.

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    Let's keep the topic on focus as concerns WoW and the Chinese servers, and not venture into unrelated real-world politics.
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    Its no surprise really. Chinese classic wow players can't get to a high rank either as the PVP mafia is holding all the top bracket spots, and you have to do RMT to get a spot.

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    Ultimately this is an issue for NetEase, not Blizzard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    Why was that reddit thread locked? It seems very well put together and highly upvoted. Is there some rule against posting about China and bots?
    https://i.imgur.com/udzrI7M.png

    It's normal to lock posts when they start to get the attention of racists and other "likeminded" people

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    The portion about groups for the Darkshore Warfront and people getting kicked right before the last boss only to somehow invite in those "who paid for service" was especially annoying to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    China is going to fall apart in the next 10 years. The bubble will burst. Wow servers are just a tip of the ice berg.
    That's extremely unlkely. We can't even bother to remove them from the UN security council.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    That's extremely unlkely. We can't even bother to remove them from the UN security council.
    I'm no fan of China's practices and the general fuckery the government over there gets up to, but I'm always a bit worried by people chomping at the bit for China to bottom out and fail. Like... y'all do realize the absolute shitstorm of a domino effect China falling apart will have on the rest of the world, yeah? It'd make the 2008 crash look a lot less terrible than it ended up being. Welcome to what is effectively a hostage situation of big business's own making.

    On-topic: While I really feel for China's playerbase who just want to play legitimately, this is unfortunately what happens when a company like Netease runs the show. They don't care so long as the payments keep clearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflakesz View Post
    That's some pretty depressing reading...


    Is particularly worrisome.
    Obviously, one could boot people and be a real dick over here as well. But it seems they can invite new people at the end of the warfront, I can't think of a reason why they would change that, other than to enable selling boss kills....
    Yeah that exert is particularly troubling to me. Because that sounds like a very short jump off a tall cliff from where we are right now with selling carries.
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    Unfortunately that is NetEase being NetEase, and China being China. They couldn't give less of a fuck if they tried so long as the moolah keeps coming.

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    Not sure why any one Is surprised by this. Cheating is a social norm in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    this is an odd thing to have issues about lol,is it not a fact china is communist?what does it have to do with the demographic?also yeah,im pretty sure freedom vs slavery is superior
    Communism isn't slavery, for one thing. Great false equivalence there.

    China also isn't really Communist. There hasn't actually ever been a real, actually-follows-the-tennets Communist country... ever.

    They can call themselves communist, but the Nazis called themselves socialists. Didnt make it true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lollerlaban View Post
    Ultimately this is an issue for NetEase, not Blizzard
    Also this. Blizzard has no say of any kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinyc View Post
    While there are multiple layers to this issue, Blizzard wanted to get into China for money. Which any company would do to increase profits. You'd be an idiot not to. Of course it's going to be a shit show, but at the end of the day the company made its money by then.
    Made It's money from communists who kill and destroy anybody who doesn't agree with them. I hope blizzard enjoys their blood money. And you'd be a smart person NOT to invest in China, anything china related likely ties to the goverment which ties to the communists. It's their modern day way of taking control of the world, without any gunfire. All they need is money investments in every single corner of the world and they can tell anyone what to do. Because money is the world.

    Once people start realizing China needs us more than we need them, that's when we'll win. It's sad Blizzard has to bend the knee to china, but then that's what happens when you bend the knee to Activision too. Not investing in China just for the money is called Integrity.

    Imean It's a shame, I feel for Chinese players who just wanna play, so would I like to play if Blizzard weren't titnuggets about banning for minor issues that one can't predict will happen. All I'd say to that is Blizzard should pull Classic WoW from China and start making some big noise about not supporting China and not investing in China anymore... but, I seriously doubt that.

    I guess I'll have to stay in ff14 and play my cat boi ninja instead, atleast that game doesn't wanna fudge me over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Guess the only real solution for these people is to get a VPN and play on different servers.
    Or stop trying to pug things and play in premade teams / guilds instead.
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    Nevermind. I see who I was dealing with.
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    Fine with me as long as they keep them away from our servers, they should seperate the Russians as well.
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    Not supposed to venture into real world politics, but this comment...

    Quote Originally Posted by ZazuuPriest View Post
    Besides, they started […] MERS in 2012 […]
    China is located in the middle east now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    Communism isn't slavery, for one thing. Great false equivalence there.

    China also isn't really Communist. There hasn't actually ever been a real, actually-follows-the-tennets Communist country... ever.

    They can call themselves communist, but the Nazis called themselves socialists. Didnt make it true.

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    Also this. Blizzard has no say of any kind.
    i thought it was just a meme but people really say "real communism has never been tried" lmao

    get a grip on reality my guy

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    In Asia, the bots are encouraging by the game developers.
    For example, Black Desert Online, Duel Links and nearly all Gacha games.

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    As this thread has firmly derailed itself, it will now be closed.
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