I can make democrats win every election with one change

[Machismo]

OK, here is a guy that didn't bother to read my post and / or fails at reading comprehension. But he's done this multiple times in the past so its not surprising.



See, he completely missed the part where I make up the tax elsewhere.

So, maybe you shouldn't contradict yourself in your push for civil war.

You. Got. Caught.

[Kokolums]

Why do you think this sort of anti-tax nonsense is an exclusively American phenomenon.

America is a massive nation that actually has incredible amounts of rural territory that comprises lots of states with lots of Electoral Votes. People living in rural areas greatly favor minimal government intrusion and have a large dislike of taxes as a result. Places like European states are more urban and suburban so its not as big of a concern.

[Endus]

OK, here is a guy that didn't bother to read my post and / or fails at reading comprehension. But he's done this multiple times in the past so its not surprising.

You said, and I quote, "I'm talking eliminating ALL taxes". You were very clear.

No taxes means effectively zero revenue, which means ending basically all social support networks. Also, the military.

Don't blame me because you don't actually understand what you're talking about.

See, he completely missed the part where I make up the tax elsewhere.

You can't "hike taxes on corporations" when you explicitly proposed "eliminating ALL taxes". Corporate taxes are included under the umbrella of "all taxes", dude.

You're contradicting yourself. That's not my fault.

[Felya]

Taxes? rofl. no. it's actually a forbidden topic so I won't mention it, but even though it's unpopular, it's really the one and only reason most people vote republican. I'll let you guess what it is, but it has nothing to do with taxes.

The issue is presentation. How many people know how much their employer pays for their healthcare? It seems to me, if your employer lowers your salary to pay taxes on your behalf, people simply won’t care. If people are willing to fight for their employer provided healthcare, one can assume if their employer paid them less, to pay for roads and infrastructure... they will support it.

Gf got laid off... 550$ per month to be added to mine, 670$ through cobra. Per month...

[Elegiac]

America is a massive nation that actually has incredible amounts of rural territory that comprises lots of states with lots of Electoral Votes. People living in rural areas greatly favor minimal government intrusion and have a large dislike of taxes as a result. Places like European states are more urban and suburban so its not as big of a concern.

Uh huh.

What you said also applies to Canada and China. Neither have the sort of rabid anti-government individualism you see plaguing the American political scene.

Try again.

[Machismo]

America is a massive nation that actually has incredible amounts of rural territory that comprises lots of states with lots of Electoral Votes. People living in rural areas greatly favor minimal government intrusion and have a large dislike of taxes as a result. Places like European states are more urban and suburban so its not as big of a concern.

That's also not exactly true:

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/

[Felya]

America is a massive nation that actually has incredible amounts of rural territory that comprises lots of states with lots of Electoral Votes. People living in rural areas greatly favor minimal government intrusion and have a large dislike of taxes as a result. Places like European states are more urban and suburban so its not as big of a concern.

You are wrong:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...rural-majority

Eastern Europe is more than 50% rural...

[Underverse]

Taxes are and have always been the dumbest and most selfish reason to pick a side. I would rather have 35% of our paychecks spent on research, defense, and education than useless consumer products. Anyways, if you weren't getting 35% of your paycheck taken away by the government, companies would just pay you less or cost of living would go up more to compensate.

[Sunseeker]

I mean, as silly as the OP sounds, it's not a terrible position to take, and it's one the Democrats already at least verbally espouse. Raise taxes on the wealthy and coproations, lower taxes on everyone else.

While we're wishing for corporate-beholden politicians to act against their corporate masters, can I have a pony?

[Hinastorm]

I can make democrats win every election with one change.

By FAR, the #1 reason the republicans even have a base at ALL is because of taxes. There is a slew of kids that grow up as democrats, only to switch to the republican party FOREVER the second they get a job and see all the taxes taken out of their pay. If you eliminated taxes from everyone under, say, $100,000, the vast majority of those democrats will forever stay democrats. All you gotta do to compensate is hike taxes on corporations to compensate. It doesn't matter if they pass the tax hike onto consumers because it won't FEEL like a tax. Eliminate it all. Income tax, payroll tax, property tax, sales tax. Knock that out. It is SUCH a huge issue that republicans would never win again if that changed. More than anything else, the GOP is an anti-tax party. Thoughts?

Older people become republicans because republican values are the closest match to how "things used to be" when they were young. 50 years from now, current left wing philosophy will be considered right wing, while the status quo keeps moving left. This has happened many times.

There are some other reasons of course, but this accounts for the lion's share of the phenomenon of old white people being republicans.

I pray I retain my ability to keep an open mind and think logically in my old age, so I don't fall into the same trap.

I didn't switch to the republican party when I got my first paycheck because I paid attention in school and know how taxes work.

All this said, I fully support eliminating taxes from people making X amt, and drastically raising them on the rich. The fact that we haven't done so yet is logically baffling.

[cubby]

I can make democrats win every election with one change.

By FAR, the #1 reason the republicans even have a base at ALL is because of taxes. There is a slew of kids that grow up as democrats, only to switch to the republican party FOREVER the second they get a job and see all the taxes taken out of their pay. If you eliminated taxes from everyone under, say, $100,000, the vast majority of those democrats will forever stay democrats. All you gotta do to compensate is hike taxes on corporations to compensate. It doesn't matter if they pass the tax hike onto consumers because it won't FEEL like a tax. Eliminate it all. Income tax, payroll tax, property tax, sales tax. Knock that out. It is SUCH a huge issue that republicans would never win again if that changed. More than anything else, the GOP is an anti-tax party. Thoughts?

Sounds good. What do the revenue numbers look like? By that I mean have you taken a look too see what hikes would have to take place to replace the lost tax revenue? I like the idea, it's the feasibility that is uncertain.

[PC2]

50 years from now, current left wing philosophy will be considered right wing,

Yeah that makes sense for social issues but it's impossible for taxes because economic feedback would turn negative at some point on the spectrum of 0-100%.

while the status quo keeps moving left. This has happened many times.

Actually it doesn't matter how many times that has happened before because nothing ever happens based on that criteria.

[Draco-Onis]

Yeah that makes sense for social issues but it's impossible for taxes because economic feedback would turn negative at some point on the spectrum of 0-100%.

Wouldn't say impossible free trade used to be right wing ideology and Trump has proven that no ideology is set in stone since he has none and leads the right.

[PC2]

Wouldn't say impossible free trade used to be right wing ideology and Trump has proven that no ideology is set in stone since he has none and leads the right.

Well if some country wants to show that something is possible then the onus is on them to prove it. So one country could set their taxes to 95% or 100% and then that society would then be tested against other societies that have lower taxes in order to see who performs better over time.

[Healing Rain]

Reason I'm a Republican is because I voted for George W Bush in 2004. If I could go back in time I would have checked unaffiliated. Democrats can't be trusted with power and Republicans are terrible at keeping promises. One Republican, John McCain, prevented the repeal of the travesty known as Obamacare.

[eschatological]

Well if some country wants to show that something is possible then the onus is on them to prove it. So one country could set their taxes to 95% or 100% and then that society would then be tested against other societies that have lower taxes in order to see who performs better over time.

Income tax on the upper bracket has already been as high as 90% in this country...

...it was in the beloved 50s, which American conservatives love to hearken back to as the idyllic time in American history where one income households ruled and you could have a career with a pension on a high school education.

[beanman12345]

Reason I'm a Republican is because I voted for George W Bush in 2004. If I could go back in time I would have checked unaffiliated. Democrats can't be trusted with power and Republicans are terrible at keeping promises. One Republican, John McCain, prevented the repeal of the travesty known as Obamacare.

Obamacare isn't perfect, but it ensure tens millions of poor have access through healthcare from medicaid, and many more with pre-existing conditions to keep the healthcare they have. The only people who dislike obamacare are people like just Trump, those that only care about themselves, and not for their fellow human being.

[PC2]

Income tax on the upper bracket has already been as high as 90% in this country...

...it was in the beloved 50s, which American conservatives love to hearken back to as the idyllic time in American history where one income households ruled and you could have a career with a pension on a high school education.

Okay? You can temporarily set tax rates at 0% or 100%, it never makes those rates optimal or free from negative feedback over time.

As far as "idyllic times in the 50s" remember correlation isn't causation.

[Dontrike]

I can make democrats win every election with one change.

By FAR, the #1 reason the republicans even have a base at ALL is because of taxes. There is a slew of kids that grow up as democrats, only to switch to the republican party FOREVER the second they get a job and see all the taxes taken out of their pay. If you eliminated taxes from everyone under, say, $100,000, the vast majority of those democrats will forever stay democrats. All you gotta do to compensate is hike taxes on corporations to compensate. It doesn't matter if they pass the tax hike onto consumers because it won't FEEL like a tax. Eliminate it all. Income tax, payroll tax, property tax, sales tax. Knock that out. It is SUCH a huge issue that republicans would never win again if that changed. More than anything else, the GOP is an anti-tax party. Thoughts?

And how do you propose things like schools, roads, emergency services, etc. be paid for if all taxes were gone for most of the country?

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THIS iteration of the democrats that lives by identity politics and seems intent to embrace illegal immigration with sanctuary cities would be met with civil unrest if it won the white house. There is absolutely no WAY a democrat victory would be tolerated.

No one supports illegal immigration. You need to stop buying all of those broken records.

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OK, here is a guy that didn't bother to read my post and / or fails at reading comprehension. But he's done this multiple times in the past so its not surprising.

So you want to bump up the taxes for the rich, which is something that they want to do most of the time anyways and you and your ilk sit there and complain how if we raise taxes on the rich robots would take over.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

Reason I'm a Republican is because I voted for George W Bush in 2004. If I could go back in time I would have checked unaffiliated. Democrats can't be trusted with power and Republicans are terrible at keeping promises. One Republican, John McCain, prevented the repeal of the travesty known as Obamacare.

Good for you, apparently nobody you care about relies on the patient protections provided by the ACA to stay alive. That isn't the case for me, so I'm going to continue to be opposed to the party that wants to enact policy changes that will kill my family members.