Why doesn't Anduin marry Yrel?

[Greengrim]

Because he's already got a horned lover to smooch on, and he doesn't have the downside of naaru zealotry, just potential old god madness.

About this theory. Don't get me wrong, but where is it originating from? Surely I've missed something, why are some people implying a lover connection between Anduin and Wrathion?

[Nnyco]

"Hey you got a cool hammer, wanna marry?"

[Lahis]

About this theory. Don't get me wrong, but where is it originating from? Surely I've missed something, why are some people implying a lover connection between Anduin and Wrathion?

They had friendly relationship in MoP and Warcrimes novel (until Wrathion pulled his whole freeing Garrosh stunt) so of course the ships sailed with booming sails.

[The Sperganator]

They had friendly relationship in MoP and Warcrimes novel (until Wrathion pulled his whole freeing Garrosh stunt) so of course the ships sailed with booming sails.

Exactly this, two guys being friendly automatically means they are gay lovers. At least in this day and age, sick desperate people want that to be the case, anyway.

[Lubefist]

Exactly this, two guys being friendly automatically means they are gay lovers. At least in this day and age, sick desperate people want that to be the case, anyway.

Not saying the basis for romance between those two is not weak at best but using words like "sick" in this context makes you sound like a frightened little homophobe.

[Mic_128]

Also, the Light was previously shown as a force for good until the new writers came along, merrily bringing their agendas. Hmmm, if there's absolute right and wrong in this setting, we can't justify half the crap we want to claim is suddenly ok. Better make the Light evil sometimes!

Uh, not sure if you've been aware of it, but the Light-blessed zealots of the Scarlet Crusade - who tortured and slaughtered anything left alive in their reach in Lorderon were evil, and existed since Vanilla.

[Feanoro]

Uh, not sure if you've been aware of it, but the Light-blessed zealots of the Scarlet Crusade - who tortured and slaughtered anything left alive in their reach in Lorderon were evil, and existed since Vanilla.

Completely aware of it, and back then, it was glossed over because the purpose of the SC early on was to give Forsaken players an enemy that wasn't mindless Scourge. Metzen never developed it much beyond generic fanatics, and in many cases, including an in game memorial to another developer (lost to cancer, I think?) explicitly stated the Light was good.

[FelPlague]

The scarlet crusade we believed were abusing their faith, remember they were being controlled by a dread lord and the undead were in their midst too, so it wasn't genuinely the Light, they were compromised.

Xe'ra is when the Light stopped being this benevolent all good like force when she tries to force Illidan to embrace his destiny, which is very unlike what I had imagined the light to be. It is at this point I think blizzard alters what the light in Warcraft means, does and represents, making it now a subjective force and like the void just a different side of the same thing.

This is what I mean.

Yes... We all know the scarlet crusade was under control of a dreadlord... That does not change the factthe light just went along with it and let these people commit genocide using its power. Cause they were faithful in it

[ravenmoon]

Yes... We all know the scarlet crusade was under control of a dreadlord... That does not change the factthe light just went along with it and let these people commit genocide using its power. Cause they were faithful in it

I never felt the Light worked like that in warcraft.. I think of it more as an ultimately good guy, who's first priority is to bring out the good in everyone, starting with each individual themself.

Everyone can access Him too, because they are connectedd at their core to him.

Also every time you use his power you become adopt more his nature, and in order to use his power more effectively you have to be more into the light side of yourself - this genuinely leads to more good.

A person can be blinded in who they follow but still be good at heart, and the light would very much be interested in growing in that person regardless of what stage they are at.

Basically the light isn't going to abandon you because your theology is wrong. Or your leaders are eveil people. The light looks at your situation, so if you are genuinely trying to do what's good, protect your friends, heal the injured and your heart is pure, the light will answer your call. It's not that the light doesn't care about what else is going on, it prioritises you for you, and knows full well the more if it you have the better an individual towards good you become.

This is how I view it anyway. It's not like we completley unaware of periods in time when rleigious followers of Christ were good people but the leaders of the Church were corrupt and sinful and were only in those positions not because "God commanded" but because of politics and the rulers of the people at the time. Meanwhile your average normal friar or brother was actually a very good guy, people believed in God because of that friar and stayed a member of the church because of him, not because of the fat cats in the Vatican.

I mean similar situation, seeing what the light is modelled on in warcraft.

[Coolthulhu]

Because Anduin likes big black dragons.

[Stelio Kontos]

It would be good for AU Yrel to show up, because all we got was the Mag'har side of the story, and I doubt that's the totality of it.

[Lahis]

I never felt the Light worked like that in warcraft.. I think of it more as an ultimately good guy, who's first priority is to bring out the good in everyone, starting with each individual themself.

Everyone can access Him too, because they are connectedd at their core to him.

Also every time you use his power you become adopt more his nature, and in order to use his power more effectively you have to be more into the light side of yourself - this genuinely leads to more good.

A person can be blinded in who they follow but still be good at heart, and the light would very much be interested in growing in that person regardless of what stage they are at.

Basically the light isn't going to abandon you because your theology is wrong. Or your leaders are eveil people. The light looks at your situation, so if you are genuinely trying to do what's good, protect your friends, heal the injured and your heart is pure, the light will answer your call. It's not that the light doesn't care about what else is going on, it prioritises you for you, and knows full well the more if it you have the better an individual towards good you become.

This is how I view it anyway. It's not like we completley unaware of periods in time when rleigious followers of Christ were good people but the leaders of the Church were corrupt and sinful and were only in those positions not because "God commanded" but because of politics and the rulers of the people at the time. Meanwhile your average normal friar or brother was actually a very good guy, people believed in God because of that friar and stayed a member of the church because of him, not because of the fat cats in the Vatican.

I mean similar situation, seeing what the light is modelled on in warcraft.

The Light is not a person, nor a God. Light is fundamental cosmic force. It is like gravity, something that shapes the universe but doesn't have any higher agenda. It doesn't care for good or bad. Only thing the Light represents is order, and you can achieve order through any possible means and that'll be a-ok for Light.

Naaru, the closest beings to the Light, don't fight Burning Legion and Old Gods because they're inherently good. They do it because Fel and Shadow represent chaos and destruction, something that goes against the order Light imposes on universe.

[ravenmoon]

The Light is not a person, nor a God. Light is fundamental cosmic force. It is like gravity, something that shapes the universe but doesn't have any higher agenda. It doesn't care for good or bad. Only thing the Light represents is order, and you can achieve order through any possible means and that'll be a-ok for Light.

Naaru, the closest beings to the Light, don't fight Burning Legion and Old Gods because they're inherently good. They do it because Fel and Shadow represent chaos and destruction, something that goes against the order Light imposes on universe.

Yes Lahis, we know that, but the personification was necessary in response to Felplague's statement and to illustrate how I viewed it in line with that necessary adaptation.

However the full nature of the light seems to go well beyond an inamnimate force based on how I have observed they portray and use it in wow. Just saying

[FelPlague]

I never felt the Light worked like that in warcraft.. I think of it more as an ultimately good guy, who's first priority is to bring out the good in everyone, starting with each individual themself.

Everyone can access Him too, because they are connectedd at their core to him.

Also every time you use his power you become adopt more his nature, and in order to use his power more effectively you have to be more into the light side of yourself - this genuinely leads to more good.

A person can be blinded in who they follow but still be good at heart, and the light would very much be interested in growing in that person regardless of what stage they are at.

Basically the light isn't going to abandon you because your theology is wrong. Or your leaders are eveil people. The light looks at your situation, so if you are genuinely trying to do what's good, protect your friends, heal the injured and your heart is pure, the light will answer your call. It's not that the light doesn't care about what else is going on, it prioritises you for you, and knows full well the more if it you have the better an individual towards good you become.

This is how I view it anyway. It's not like we completley unaware of periods in time when rleigious followers of Christ were good people but the leaders of the Church were corrupt and sinful and were only in those positions not because "God commanded" but because of politics and the rulers of the people at the time. Meanwhile your average normal friar or brother was actually a very good guy, people believed in God because of that friar and stayed a member of the church because of him, not because of the fat cats in the Vatican.

I mean similar situation, seeing what the light is modelled on in warcraft.

The light is/always has been a mix of IRL religions.
it does not care if what you do is morally right or wrong, good or evil, as long as you follow its rules and have faith in it.

[Gamevizier]

I am still hopeful for a Vanessa / Anduin interaction within the WoW universe. I support Vanessa Vancleef in Stormwind Keep. We need another cunning lady to be inside Stormwind Keep like Katrana Prestor...preferably someone less...draconic.

[Soon-TM]

preferably someone less...draconic.

Well, Wrathion boi was visiting SW Keep not long ago, so there you go...

[Logwyn]

Because she’s a zealot going around wiping out all nonconverted “heathens,” similar to Hitler, in an alternate universe. Meanwhile, Anduin is someone who wants to preserve life and have everyone live peacefully. He is also a priest, so while using the light and trusting in it he, so far, is not a zealot that believes it is the only way and everyone that disagrees with it or him should die.

Godwin'd by post 4.


Can Humans and Goat-Squid faced people have kids together? If not then their would be no heir to the throne.

[huth]

Can Humans and Goat-Squid faced people have kids together? If not then their would be no heir to the throne.

They can't have kids anyway on account of physical distance issues, so the question is moot.

[tikcol]

First he would have to pass a law to allow bestiality

[Devilyaki]

Anduin is A sexual.