So is this the most toxic guy ever?

[Daedius]

dont stress, probably a 10 year old who is cranky his mum didnt tuck him in last night...

Who wouldn't be !?

[glowpipe]

Nobody likes to carry slackers, especially if they can't do what they should do with their gear level.

while true, but if you are willing to fuck over 3 other players and leave the dungeon because of 1 slacker, which for all we know might simply be having issues with his keybinds as he said (it happens). Then the person leaving is the dick, no matter how bad the mage was

[ID811717]

Well from cursory examination it appears that your group's problem was a trash mage who should have been kicked.

Weird to see multiple people here calling the mage shit for admitting to having technical problems, which could probably be fixed in less than a minute, and has close to 0 impact on timing a low key.

There are multiple reasons for your UI to get fucked: transfer between realms, a major Blizzard patch, or just a regular addon update going wrong. And sometimes it's hard to notice (especially with the latter - I don't do full test of my UI after a daily addon update). You haven't played the game much if that never happened to you at one point or another.

[xiloclipse]

I'm down for not carrying people, but like drop the ego. It's a 10.

I think the issue is that m+ pugs are pretty much a cold war. The wrong thing can escalate it, like a comment about keybinds, and next thing you know you're trying to back channel in whispers to stop nuclear war.

There was a thread recently where a guy said he will proactively whisper people to defuse stuff. Like "hey, I know he's low cause of xyz, or messed that up, but if we give him a hard time he'll just leave, and I don't want to mess up this key"

The very big assumption here is that the group is otherwise capable of easily clearing the key, despite a disparity in performance or high tensions.

[Steelcryo]

Wow the reading comprehension of some of the people in this thread is dire...

OT: He's not the most toxic I've seen, that's pretty standard honestly. Sometimes things just break, giving the mage a couple of minutes to try and fix things while the group carried on clearing trash would have been the easy solution. If, as you said, you killed the first boss easily, then the mage not being 100% ready was obviously not really a problem, so the guy was just being an ass for the sake of it.

Personally I've been in groups with players doing far less damage than they should be, but as long as we clear the dungeon, I don't really care. It's still quicker to just clear the dungeon than leave and find another most of the time. Even when it isn't, I've never understood this kind of behaviour from people. Is it really that hard to be polite and civil? Toxicity in gaming has always baffled me, it's just a show of the person being too immature to handle a situation calmly. I wouldn't worry too much about people like that, just forget it and move on

[Mosotti]

From the out of context log I can see that the mage performed poorly and then blamed the keybindings. You have a choice to believe him or not. No option is toxic.

[Frolk]

If only there was a way to not play with pugs, like with friends/guildies to avoid this sort of issue.

If only...

[Ihazpaws]

Everyone have bad days sometimes.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

No.

I played with the most toxic guy a few weeks ago.
He left 10 seconds into Freehold +15 because we didn't pull the packs he wanted to out of the gate.

It didn't stop there though. He then proceeded to whisper the tank in our group who is severely more qualified than he about how bad he is, despite not ever getting into combat with the group.

And then he reached out to me to apologize a few days later, which I was shocked by.

Oh, but then another day later he recanted that apology and wrote 3 walls of text to me telling me how poor of a player I was while misspelling half the words and using the word "literally" in every sentence.

[Queen of Hamsters]

The most toxic person I ever encountered in this game, was a guy who made fun of another guy for having a mom that died in the Tsunami of 2004.

I quote: "Lol ur bitch mom shudn't travel to 3 world shitholes then".

What an absolute parody of a human being.

[tehealadin]

I don't know if this should be considered toxic behaviour, but it does annoy me, I have been in a few m+ pugs where the group is mostly a guild. One particular example of this, it was for workshop. I was in Boralus and flew out. The other 4 were all around me. None of them said hi, despite me saying it. None of them made an attempt to fly out. After about 10 minutes I asked if they were coming, at which point one flew out to summon. One of the DPS though was afk. All they said was "he is away just now". Took him about 10 minutes to get back. Then we get into the instance, and the key isn't activated, the healer has something to do, another 5 or so minutes minutes. From forming the group it took almost 30 minutes to get started. I mean, I get that people might have some IRL shit that needs attention but....if I join a group I know I have time, I go to the instance, I don't just make people wait for me to do other things, if I have other things to do, I don't fucking join a group and make them all wait. We didn't get the key upgraded, the healer died like 15 times through standing in shit and the DPS who made everyone wait was utter shit. I don't actually care too much if we don't get it, but to make everyone else wait like that, no "sorry for that" or anything, it is like "you are the pug member, so fuck you pleb".

Maybe I am overreacting, but it strikes me as incredibly arrogant, disrespectful and inconsiderate. This is a habit I have seen with semi guild pugs, people in the guild decide they have other things to do, and everyone else just has to wait on them. Fuck those people.

[Biomega]

While of course I don't condone being aggressive and abusive in general, there IS a valid complaint about someone who joins an M+ group with screwed-up keybinds. That doesn't mean they should be instantly kicked, tarred, and feathered, of course, but it's only all too common to see people blatantly disregard the group's time in favor of their own convenience or carelessness.

Remember: you are taking 4 other people's time here. The least you can do is try and respect that investment by not taking more than needed.

Of course, we have no idea in this particular case if this was a matter of "hold on I need 15 seconds to switch these buttons" or "lul I forgot I totally messed up my binds I'll now need 7 minutes to redo them or I'll do -20k DPS".

[Ealyssa]

dont stress, probably a 10 year old who is cranky his mum didnt tuck him in last night...

worst
mom
ever

[Garymorilix]

while true, but if you are willing to fuck over 3 other players and leave the dungeon because of 1 slacker, which for all we know might simply be having issues with his keybinds as he said (it happens). Then the person leaving is the dick, no matter how bad the mage was

First off, I have no idea how you can have issues with your keybinds.
Did he go home drunk as fuck and decided to change shit up for fun? My keybinds are the same since I first set them and aint a thing could change them up.

Secondly, no. I wouldn't be the one screwing over 3 other people. The guy screwed over 4 of us already.
Why the fuck would I take the heat for calling out the disabled when he already screwed everyone up?

I don't want to run keys where the run is decided before or at the first boss. Simple as that.

Also, most of the times when I see shit like this it is the premade people that pull this afking brainless mouth breather level bs.
Therefore if you are in a group where there are pugs, your whole premade is responsible for this.
No remorse.

[ONCHEhap]

"[y]" is obviously deeply retarded,but that's nowhere near "the most toxic guy ever",not even close

[Great Destiny Man]

While of course I don't condone being aggressive and abusive in general, there IS a valid complaint about someone who joins an M+ group with screwed-up keybinds. That doesn't mean they should be instantly kicked, tarred, and feathered, of course, but it's only all too common to see people blatantly disregard the group's time in favor of their own convenience or carelessness.

Remember: you are taking 4 other people's time here. The least you can do is try and respect that investment by not taking more than needed.

Of course, we have no idea in this particular case if this was a matter of "hold on I need 15 seconds to switch these buttons" or "lul I forgot I totally messed up my binds I'll now need 7 minutes to redo them or I'll do -20k DPS".

Keybinds and lag excuses get a bit annoying because they're convenient. Easy to pretend those are the issues when you're performing badly.

Either way, I'm not the type to care enough to vocalise my frustrations over things like that. I'll usually just roll my eyes at it and crack on. If the lack of DPS is having a detrimental affect on the success of a run then I'll straight up say they need to sort it out or this aint happening. If it continues to be a problem I'll just bail.

[Nefarious Tea]

I mean, I hate toxic people but I can put up with their BS if they're good at the game. I however, hate having to boost people hahaha.

I refuse it. Toxic people will only get more toxic if they aren't dealt with. Report, block, remove from group and replace.

IDGAF what level of key I had, I am 250% willing to burn it to make sure toxic shitlords get nothing.

[Ryuda]

Would need more context. Considering you said it happened after the first boss, that means he had all of the pre first boss trash, and the boss itself to at least get his core DPS bindings working, even if somehow every key binding got wiped out. (Considering How key bindings are stored pretty much since WotLK, I don't even see how it's possible that his key bindings got so messed up that he can no longer DPS and have it take longer than 10 seconds to fix, nor how he didn't notice that again, his CORE DPS key bindings were not working until he entered a dungeon.)

I think it's more likely [y] is someone who is a solid player, who has been taken advantage of one too many times, and just happened to lose it at your group, deserved or not. I can actually empathize with them, the number of times I've been invited by someone carrying their friend/guildie/little brother/whatever just because I have good gear and a good IO score, and expected to carry their run without being paid is really through the roof.

In short, no, not even close to the most 'Toxic guy ever'. Likely just someone at the end of their rope with people trying to get their buddies free carries.

[Nefarious Tea]

Weird to see multiple people here calling the mage shit for admitting to having technical problems, which could probably be fixed in less than a minute, and has close to 0 impact on timing a low key.

There are multiple reasons for your UI to get fucked: transfer between realms, a major Blizzard patch, or just a regular addon update going wrong. And sometimes it's hard to notice (especially with the latter - I don't do full test of my UI after a daily addon update). You haven't played the game much if that never happened to you at one point or another.

Or even just accidentally pressing the wrong key or clicking the wrong thing. The number of times I've accidentally erased a keybind or forgotten to turn action bar locking back on (and removed an important rotational spell from them by accident so I have to go looking for it) is too damn high.

[Ryuda]

Keybinds and lag excuses get a bit annoying because they're convenient. Easy to pretend those are the issues when you're performing badly.

Either way, I'm not the type to care enough to vocalise my frustrations over things like that. I'll usually just roll my eyes at it and crack on. If the lack of DPS is having a detrimental affect on the success of a run then I'll straight up say they need to sort it out or this aint happening. If it continues to be a problem I'll just bail.

Exactly. I don't think I've had anything happen to my keybinds since late BC/Early WotLK, when I occasionally had issues with them getting wiped when I switched between my laptop and desktop. And even then, it literally takes about 15 seconds to get at least your core abilities functioning again. I for one would have been very hesitant to believe them.