Why aren't Tauren and Draenei just Neutral?

[RyanEX]

At least originally the taurens and dwarves were fighting each other and the taurens hated what the dwarves were doing to the planet, which is a big plot hole since the NE never seemed to care. Baine is a dogshit leader though and you can see that entire race becoming more directionless with him at the helm. Draenei are very much like the BE or NE they participate in as few things as they possibly can while still getting the benefits of being in the larger group. Ultimately we only have various races to check boxes for gameplay since the lore is pretty chewed up at this point.

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Many of the orcs that did that too them are not the same orcs you see in game now. The races of Azeroth don't hold Dreanei responsible for what Archi or Kil'jaeden did or the throngs of followers he had that were spacegoats. Even at the best of times the lore doesn't hold up if you do the tiniest bit of digging.

Some problems with that theory, the Draenei renamed themselves to distance themselves for their cousins and actively fought against the Eredar. The best you could do is blame them for drawing the Eredar's attention to the orcs, which is questionable since the demons would've gotten around to them eventually.

On the other hand the orcs have never accepted responsibility for what they did during the first and second war and if Garrosh's words are to be taken as canon the orcs still believe that they were in the right with attacking the Draenei. They've even gone as far as to revere to the leaders of the "Old Horde". We've already seen how the meme "Hitler did nothing wrong" can trigger the shit out of people. But how do you think people would react if there were cities being built named after former members of his inner circle?

Yeah, main reason why the Draenei and the Night Elves as well are still part of the Alliance imo (though still no reason to completely neuter the Nelves).

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Not all taurens are spineless cowards like Baine

this is their quote in wc3:

There's a difference with being a spineless coward and a pacifist. When people complained about Jaina back in the day they didn't accuse her of being a coward, just a pacifist.They have both fought and killed when needs be, but they'd just rather NOT.

Big difference.

[tankbug]

Before the Horde became evil (because Blizzard lost the ability to write interesting lore), the leadership was more or less neutral. Thrall was looking to the stable, peaceful future for his people, and Cairne and Voljin wanted to be part of that future. Baine is just a remnant from that past, and might seem misplaced among the re-scourged forsaken, Garrosh-worshippers, sociopath goblins and devious elf arcane-junkies.

[Alvito]

Still reason for the dreani to be wary of orcs

and orcs of them, they invaded their planet and brought death in their wake.

[Rustedsaint]

At least originally the taurens and dwarves were fighting each other and the taurens hated what the dwarves were doing to the planet, which is a big plot hole since the NE never seemed to care. Baine is a dogshit leader though and you can see that entire race becoming more directionless with him at the helm. Draenei are very much like the BE or NE they participate in as few things as they possibly can while still getting the benefits of being in the larger group. Ultimately we only have various races to check boxes for gameplay since the lore is pretty chewed up at this point.

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Many of the orcs that did that too them are not the same orcs you see in game now. The races of Azeroth don't hold Dreanei responsible for what Archi or Kil'jaeden did or the throngs of followers he had that were spacegoats. Even at the best of times the lore doesn't hold up if you do the tiniest bit of digging.

Blizzard makes big plot holes all the time, like how the Tauren are upset that the dwarfs dug a hole while they turn a blind eye to the forsaken blighting every place they set up shop

[jellmoo]

Because the game refuses to get rid of the absolutely ridiculous Faction system it uses. Despite the fact that it's utterly nonsensical and places handcuffs on storytelling, Blizzard is determined to keep it in place.

[TickTickTick]

Before the Horde became evil (because Blizzard lost the ability to write interesting lore), the leadership was more or less neutral. Thrall was looking to the stable, peaceful future for his people, and Cairne and Voljin wanted to be part of that future. Baine is just a remnant from that past, and might seem misplaced among the re-scourged forsaken, Garrosh-worshippers, sociopath goblins and devious elf arcane-junkies.

It's both funny and sad, in a way. Some races decided it was a good idea to join that "let's live in peace" Horde, only to start trying to change it to their desires the moment they joined.

[Lupinemancer]

Taurens make sense, but why would the Draenei stay neutral after most of their people were needlessly slaughtered by orcs?

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and orcs of them, they invaded their planet and brought death in their wake.

Orcs didn't invade the draenei planet. But they did bring death in their wake, that is true.

[TigTone]

Yeah, you're right, Game of Thrones was really only popular because of the dragons and white walkers. /s

What’s your point?

My point I enjoy wow cause of the races / cultures they have come up with. High fantasy and all.

[Syegfryed]

There's a difference with being a spineless coward and a pacifist. When people complained about Jaina back in the day they didn't accuse her of being a coward, just a pacifist.They have both fought and killed when needs be, but they'd just rather NOT.

Big difference.

yes, and Baine is both, a pacifist and a spineless coward

[Combatbutler]

yes, and Baine is both, a pacifist and a spineless coward

Baine is many things, but not a coward. He is after all willing to throw anyone under the bus for his convictions.

[Syegfryed]

Taurens make sense, but why would the Draenei stay neutral after most of their people were needlessly slaughtered by orcs?

Why tauens would be neutral with the alliance invading their lands, attacking their people and attacking their allies?

Orcs didn't invade the draenei planet. But they did bring death in their wake, that is true.

he meant that draeneis "invaded" the orc planet, and the draenei did bring death in the form of the Legion.

[Alvito]

Taurens make sense, but why would the Draenei stay neutral after most of their people were needlessly slaughtered by orcs?

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Orcs didn't invade the draenei planet. But they did bring death in their wake, that is true.

The draenei invaded theirs and brought death with them. Of all the races the draenei and NE are the most selfish and destroy everything around them to lamely try to protect themselves.

[Saltysquidoon]

The draenei invaded theirs and brought death with them. Of all the races the draenei and NE are the most selfish and destroy everything around them to lamely try to protect themselves.

You're right, Velen should have just stood and died on argus with no hope of victory, preventing any possibility of anyone being able to stop the legion. What a silly billy.

[deenman]

To “add” Let’s just make it orcs and humans only. The rest are just fodder might as well just take them out too.

Wait! I have an even better idea! Make
it just human vs human.
Now that’s some good fantasy story right there.
Just humans.

by Thralls ballz....you are a GENIUS!!

[Biomega]

You're right, Velen should have just stood and died on argus with no hope of victory, preventing any possibility of anyone being able to stop the legion. What a silly billy.

I mean, sure, they were stuck in Sucktown, but that doesn't give them the right to come to some other people's planet, take up "home" there, and then complain when those people kill them.

"Why the hell did the Orcs slaughter us? All we did was come along and settle on their planet without asking them first WHAT GIVES THEM THE RIGHT!"

And the devs had the gall to give them Russian accents instead of American ones...

[TigTone]

by Thralls ballz....you are a GENIUS!!

Whaaaaaaaat...

[Alvito]

You're right, Velen should have just stood and died on argus with no hope of victory, preventing any possibility of anyone being able to stop the legion. What a silly billy.

I'm not saying that at all, but he hand delivered death to every place he went and he knew it. Add gain there is nothing wrong with looking out for the people under your care, that doesn't wipe responsiblity away for the wake of destruction or only caring about your own race when you join an alliance or move planet to planet.

[Highelf]

For the Draenei, see the Path of Glory, a road paved with the bones of Draenei. The Orcs were merciless to the Draenei on the world they shared. The Draenei can forgive a lot, and have allied themselves with the Horde to defeat the Burning Legion many times, but on a personal level it may be hard for Draenei who have suffered genocide to put it past the Orcs - even if they were corrupted by demon blood at the time. Eredar who gave into the Legion and suffer demon blood may be less sympathetic to these atrocities unrelated to them, and they may even condone or relish in the Orcs' old decimation of the fleeing Draenei who didn't bend the knee to Sargeras.

For the Tauren, see the desecration of their ancestral lands by the Dwarves in Mulgore, and more recently the Alliance's massacre at Camp Taurajo specifically cited as being done by a firebombing by the Wildhammer Clan, which resulted in the rise of the Great Gate that closes off Mulgore. The Stonespire tribe was also wiped out by by dwarves of Bael'dun keep. The tauren see the Dwarfs' digging as hallowing, scarring, and defiling of the Earth Mother (1, 2, 3). Back during the War of the Ancients, Desdel Stareye regarded the Tauren as barbaric and uncivilized, though in more recent times Varian recounted that the Tauren were the only ones among the Horde that didn't make him want to draw his sword. While the Humans seem to get along well enough with Tauren in general, and the Tauren have a steady relationship with the Night Elf sentinels after the War of the Ancients, the dwarves keep ruining relations with the Tauren over and over again.

The Orcs slaughtered Blood Elves too, as did the Undead(under Arthas or not), and both have shown no developments toward moving away from that, and yet the blood elves are in the horde because, to use the reason horde players use, garithos was mean to them.

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and orcs of them, they invaded their planet and brought death in their wake.

haha, oh the head canon and justification of horde players only gets better and better.

[alt-ithist]

and orcs of them, they invaded their planet and brought death in their wake.

They didn’t. Guldan brought the legion to draenor. The draenie were just the tool used by the legion to prepare the orcs to invade Azeroth. A two for one deal that settled the score with their cousins and prepare the orcs for Sargeras in the mind of Medivh to bring them over.

[crakerjack]

Because you can't start changing the fundamentals of the game based on the story, period. The story can do w/e it wants, but the core mechanics of the game must remains the same. The sooner you realize that, the better you'll be.