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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    The best way to obtain independence is through non-violent problem solving between the parties. Violence is never necessary.
    Evidence, please.

    The American slaves would like to have a word with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    The US isn't doing that though. Some racists have done that.
    Already addressed earlier in the thread, Becky. Keep up:

    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Again, "you are the actual racist" is an old, tired argument that hinges on the popular myth that racism is the result of a few bad apples. What people in media studies might term the Crash Syndrome; Crash being a movie that won an academy award despite it being a pretty brainless for-your-consideration piece in which all the characters were over the top caricatures of what Hollywood liberals think racists behave like. The reality is that racism is a system of oppression, and while people being cunts certainly facilitates such systems coming into existence, believing that that is the sole source of bigotry misses the forest for the trees.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  3. #783
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    when the racists are part of the government (cops), its a big problem.
    The vast majority don't though, it's not policy. So, kind of hard to call it oppression when it's just some people doing it and against established policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    The vast majority don't though, it's not policy. So, kind of hard to call it oppression when it's just some people doing it and against established policies.
    And yet... they keep on doing it.

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    I'll elaborate a little bit further, though.

    Hollywood Racism:

    Quote Originally Posted by White Woman, to an Asian Woman after a car accident
    "Sowwy, you no see my blake right?"
    (Actual trash quote from Crash, by the way)

    Actual Racism:

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    Without seeing the start of the video I have to assume he was resisting arrest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    The US isn't doing that though. Some racists have done that.
    Seriously, fuck off with this bullshit argument. Law enforcement officers are part of the US government and have been murdering black people for years without consequence. Their superiors and people throughout the system have rarely punished them. It's a systemic issue and as such, is "the US doing it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    The vast majority don't though, it's not policy. So, kind of hard to call it oppression when it's just some people doing it and against established policies.
    Just because something isn't overt doesn't mean it isn't oppression. Does your whole world view revolve around "If I cant see it on the surface, it doesn't exist" or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    The vast majority don't though, it's not policy. So, kind of hard to call it oppression when it's just some people doing it and against established policies.
    "Systems can only be oppressive if the majority of people believe they are."

    That's literally the opposite of how most oppressive systems work, Becky. They target minorities for a reason.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdatik View Post
    Seriously, fuck off with this bullshit argument. Law enforcement officers are part of the US government and have been murdering black people for years without consequence. Their superiors and people throughout the system have rarely punished them. It's a systemic issue and as such, is "the US doing it."
    She has already been presented with two studies that shows she's wrong, so she's ignoring reality to push her brand of racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Just because something isn't overt doesn't mean it isn't oppression. Does your whole world view revolve around "If I cant see it on the surface, it doesn't exist" or something?
    No, media just likes to play up events like this. If the vast majority aren't doing it, if it's against the established policies, then it's not oppression because it's individuals acting on their own volition and are not sanctioned by the authorities.

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    Hollywood Racism:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bright, a movie so good they didn't feel the need to hire a screenwriter
    "Don't look at me man, Mexicans still get shit for the Alamo."
    Actual Racism:

    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I still support peaceful protestors 100%.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    No, media just likes to play up events like this. If the vast majority aren't doing it, if it's against the established policies, then it's not oppression because it's individuals acting on their own volition and are not sanctioned by the authorities.
    Wrong, wrong, and wrong. The evidence has already been presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Actual Racism:
    I see where the issue lies, you've got a weird idea of what racism actually is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    No, media just likes to play up events like this. If the vast majority aren't doing it, if it's against the established policies, then it's not oppression because it's individuals acting on their own volition and are not sanctioned by the authorities.
    Because its not as if policies aren't used a certain way and are ignored by the higher ups and the police union all the time. Its called "plausible deniability".

    fuck, even during the Dallas incident last year most of the stupid cops and Texas Rangers were trying to find reasons to blame the victim for being shot in his own apartment, like "finding pot". That's a systemic issue, not an individual one.

    in Fort Worth, when one fo the few "good cops" released a video showing police brutality against a woman and her daughter WHO CALLED THEM FOR HELP IN THE FIRST PLACE, he got fucking demoted and ended up leaving.

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    Hollywood Racism:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Boy in the Striped Pajamas christ people I get that you want an Oscar but stop making the same Holocaust movie every three years
    "They smell even worse, don't they? When they burn."
    Actual Racism:

    Quote Originally Posted by I dunno some vial of weaponised sewage
    They're not sending their best. ... They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  16. #796
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    She has already been presented with two studies that shows she's wrong, so she's ignoring reality to push her brand of racism.
    You know the saddest part? This makes latin american lefties and US libertarians behemently agree on things.
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    The US isn't doing that though. Some racists have done that. Pretty absurd to call the actions of some people, which aren't based on any policy, oppression.
    Except this is a lie.

    We have a clear example, in the incident this thread is about.

    It may not be based on any official policy, but the "thin blue line" that defends racist, abusive cops absolutely is a systemic policy issue. That it's difficult to get them fired, let alone charged (and let's be clear; the officer who murdered this man has not yet been charged) is a systemic policy issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    I'll elaborate a little bit further, though.

    Hollywood Racism:

    (Actual trash quote from Crash, by the way)

    Actual Racism:
    Crash can really best be summed up as "why racism is bad, as written by casual racists who don't think they're racist". The movie ignores systemic racism and the massive consequences thereof entirely by trying to make the issue about random petty abuses and that's it and we can just hug it out and it's fine.

    Fuck. That. Noise.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    I see where the issue lies, you've got a weird idea of what racism actually is.
    Go on, then.

    Define it. Give us all a good laugh by telling us what your specific, grade school definition of racism is. I'm waiting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    The irony in someone from South Korea insisting that people should behave more like model minorities.

    As if the idea of a model minority isn't inherently racist, lol.
    Let's talk about these model minorities and what they had to do just to be left alone in the US.

    Asians immigrants were freely killed, abused, and taken advantage of in the late 1800s, early 1900s. They were forced to live in the gutters of towns with no access to local economies. They were shoved in concentration camps in their own countries.

    Society views Asian Americans as caricatures more than people. 'Model minority' is patronizing and just another way to say, "look at this group we made accept the scraps we gave them.' Asian Americans, no matter how long they lived in the US, as still viewed as some sort of immigrant that achieved citizenship. Everyone is 'Chinese', everyone is a math nerd with a thick accident of broken English. In pop culture it's still 100% okay to only cast Asians as stereotypes from the 1950s: gotta know karate, can't be fluent, probably the villain, and/or the supporting character's supporting character. Asian women are fetishized and Asian men are emasculated.

    Just look at the way people quickly turned their backs on Asians when the pandemic hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    You know the saddest part? This makes latin american lefties and US libertarians behemently agree on things.
    Well, any good libertarian would despise systemic racism, as it is authoritarian in nature. The same should go for conservatives, but that term was co-oped by the national socialists.

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