this is an insanely well disguised "look at me being pro" thread. I applaud you OP, at least an original version of one
But it's not about "being done" for me. It's about having fun. And even though I have fun with a 2k player, I on average have more fun with a 3k player. The game is about beating the content but also have the most fun while doing it.
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But I'm clearly not a pro. I'm just an 11/12 pleb. But this pleb prefer playing with equals. I find the game most fun that way
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Does not make you an elitist, not in my eyes anyway. To me, an elitist, is someone who's good and acts like a jerk. Flaming people while upholding how good they, themself are. Not seeing and understanding the level of other people, assuming that their own level is per default standard and anything worse or anyone playing with another focus/another way is just trash.
A question to you: do you play with people of lower scores/experience, why, why not? And do you have a lower limit?
Yes I absolutely do. No I do not have a lower limit.
The reason why I prefer more experienced players are simply based on my own fun. But that doesn't mean that I don't run with less experienced players because I definitely often do. Especially if it's guildies or friends. But if it's strangers that I have absolutely no bond with I prefer them to be "on my level". I don't think it's very fun to play with people who are much better than me either because then I just feel like an anchor. I wouldn't like to be put in a group full of method and limit raiders
I think the game works better when good players bring some people with less experience to their group, but being elitist is a perfectly fine way to play the game too. You dont own random players anything.
"And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five?
A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head."
Hm, I'd love to be in a group full of MDI representatives. Would learn so many things I'd be okay being an anchor Hate being an anchor normaly though and agree with what you say. There's a twist to this though. If you really want to finnish a key, I've found it's more likely people of lower score will stick around if you're about to fail the timer or have some screwups. So depending on my goal I sometimes just get some lower score people who're happy to join and do the key rather then high scored people who just want it done in time, being less greatful.
I disagree. A +15 can be done by a lot of people, be it 900 or 4000 rio. That's not the point. The point is that it's more likely that the higher the persons score, the faster run which might mean more loot and more room for fuckups because you have a lot of extra time.
Asking for 470 people to a normal Ny'alotha isn't elitist. You just want a really quick run and that's the way you want it to be played. Usually people want as smooth run as possible and the higher ilvl, the higher rio score or the higher experience makes it more likely. It's not guaranteed but it's a higher chance for it to happen.
Which run has the most likely success chance withing a time limit in Ny'alotha Heroic?
- A raid group with average ilvl of 435
- A raid group with average ilvl of 470
That would be the 470 group.
Which group can complete the run?
That would be both.
It's all about limiting fraction for a faster and more efficient run. Nothing elitist about that.
I have no problem inviting people with about 10-20 lower ilvl than what is recommended for the raid. Those raids are usually not super smooth and takes a lot of time but I kind of enjoy guiding inexperienced people to improvement so that's fine. If I'm in that mood.
If I want to just get it done I make or join a 470 "blast run".
agreed. Waiting for 4 other people with 3k for a +15 might consume more time than it actually saves for all of them. It's better now with echoes being a thing, people join those more.
Elitism in my book would be to join a regular +15 and talk shit to people who are not accustomed to that +20 level of playstyle/does not do expected output. I.E. joining a +15 where tank is at 1.8k and only pulls max 5 mobs at a time and start talking shit on him, instead of telling him that you have cd's ready and if he could pull more every 2-3mins. These kind of players kinda can devolve even more and expect to be treated like a king because they have that sweet rio score.
Also there are people who are are too bad to realize they are bad and those are the worst. They will blame everyone and everything for their failures thinking that it's not their fault and other drag the down. It's like silver players in LoL
If the basis of the group was for me to learn things and the other members were in on that then I would also be perfectly fine with it. Like you, I would love to learn from MDI players. But if they would expect me to perform on their level from the start then I would hate to be in a group of MDI players :P
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You do not deserve to be in a farm group if you don't have the experience.
I just don't get why anyone can be against people preferring a raid on farm. You don't belong in this group if you don't have some proof that you have cleared it, preferably a bunch of times.
If you can't get in these raids, you can go to the other pug groups and try get into that, or get a guild, or join a discord community that raids.
I have always enjoyed carrying players in my m+ runs with my friend. It makes you approach the game differently because you do not rely on everyone to play flawless, you have to make up for it, be prepared for any failure and already expect mechanic "Y" to fail and help out. I have even made groups that are purposely weak just to see how much I can truly carry, to see my limit. People that complain about carries should actually try it before proclaiming that they don't want to carry a "baddie". Maybe you guys can't even carry anyone, even if you tried and that's why you don't want to. Being a carry means you can 100% finish the run, so at worst a run takes like 10-15 minutes longer. If you fail a run and you leave and rant that you don't want to carry the group... you can't carry shit haha.
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