I guess I’m officially apart of ANTIFA?

[Elegiac]

All facist and anti facist movements should be shot on sight when looting, pillaging and putting businesses on fire. Regardless of political spectrum. Once you take over police stations and put entire blocks in ashes, you are no longer a fit member of society.

Theres some dangerous individuals on this forum claiming negative racial bias is worse than putting buildings on fire. Shows how deranged These fanatics are.

"Order before justice".

[Themius]

I'll side with anti-fascists but not with antifa. They are using fascist methods. Using violence to prove their point.

It is odd how every video showing "unprovoked" antifa attacks have them instead reaction to something which was captured on video by someone else while the actual fascist edit their videos to say antifa attacked them...

[Yadryonych]

This poll is a new peak. Not sure if is sets standards for modern journalism or is made in compliance with these standards

[Zuben]

Not sure how you can be this downright ignorant about where to put the cart and the horse, but people started and fought those wars to right major social injustices; not that those wars magically occurred and people took advantage of the wars to right said major social injustices.

US was sitting out of WW2 for a good while until they were attacked. If present day US goes into a bona fide civil war over the issues you're currently facing, then you're living in wartime. Not quite there yet. Feel free to push the envelope, though. Would be better to solve things peacefully, but maybe war is what you want.

Oh boy, wow. Just wow.

Like, it's like you have to be living in some parallel universe, to look at the United States and expect good faith, much less competence from their politicians. Here's a hint: it has been decades for your so-called "perfectly capable politicians" to address institutional racism. And since Abraham Lincoln there was absolute fuck-all progress on the issue, in fact it has gone back a few steps in many areas.

I don't have a close view on the life of black community, but what I can see from here sure seems a whole lot better than how it was in years past. There's room for improvement, there always is, but history has shown change comes with political means.

Sure, because those nations had leaders who were operating in good faith and nominal capability, for the nation. By extension, it means they aren't evil tyrants or authoritarians. Isn't it interesting, how words have meanings?

The tyrant (lol) was put in office by democracy. Live with it. If Trump is re-elected you'll suffer through four more years of his bullshit, then someone else will take the reins. Though if you've hated each president in US history then I suppose things aren't working out for you.

And here's where your cute little facade drops. Your agenda was always one of racism, because you are unwilling to condemn institutional racism if it means the victims of institution won't appease your racist ilk.

What are you even on about? My preference for people to co-exist peacefully is racist? Demonstrations are fine, violence is not.

[PosPosPos]

Would be better to solve things peacefully, but maybe war is what you want.

Yeah, wouldn't it be nice to just snap our fingers and have all our problems vanish in a blink of an eye.

See the thing about dreams, is that you are supposed to be sleeping while having them.

I don't have a close view on the life of black community, but what I can see from here sure seems a whole lot better than how it was in years past. There's room for improvement, there always is, but history has shown change comes with political means.

Yeah, no. Again, dreams are something you do while sleeping, not awake. You don't get to decide if people are better off or not, against statistics and the ones involved.

The tyrant (lol) was put in office by democracy. Live with it. If Trump is re-elected you'll suffer through four more years of his bullshit, then someone else will take the reins. Though if you've hated each president in US history then I suppose things aren't working out for you.

Maybe it's because it's not democracy if the majority loses to the minority. But I do note you have a penchant for "up is down"-esque "arguments". In the loosest sense of the term, of course.

What are you even on about? My preference for people to co-exist peacefully is racist? Demonstrations are fine, violence is not.

It almost like it takes two hands to clap. One side is hellbent on oppressing minority races, at all costs; so even if their victims are willing to make peace, who's gonna make their aggressors toe the line? Your insufferable, self-absorbed prattling about "peace peace yay"?

[Dezerte]

Because ANTIFA is so loosely organized I suppose almost anyone could claim to be a member? But it's that disorganization that makes me not want to "be a member" of that group, or those people. And if I'm going to be a member of something the rules and goals of the group needs to be clear, and accommodate my beliefs.

But I'll be an anti-fascist, that's for sure.

[Jessicka]

Are you For or Against. Considering they don't actually exist, that is the point of the poll


Yes, if you are for or against them meaning you believe they exist.

No, If you have no association with them what so ever. Protesters are being labeled ANTIFA, to circumvent the rights of people to peacefully protest, which is exactly what is happening over all.

I think I voted wrong as I am for the concept and ideal of anti-fascism, but as it’s an ideal and not an organisation I didn’t want to vote no and imply I’m somehow against anti-fascism and therefore supporting fascism...

[Craaazyyy]

So is fascism, and quite a bigger and more disgusting one at that.

wait you think that antifa are battling against fascism? lmao

[Doctor Amadeus]

I think I voted wrong as I am for the concept and ideal of anti-fascism, but as it’s an ideal and not an organisation I didn’t want to vote no and imply I’m somehow against anti-fascism and therefore supporting fascism...

don't worry this isn't a right or wrong answer kind of thing, just a did you think about the question or did you perceive what the answer was before you gave it. Every one so far has communicated the latter so, you aren't alone in any event.

However despite how you voted you have articulated where you are and how you feel, so despite whatever, I think it can be assumed you care about the issues of protest, but that doesn't mean you care about ANTIFA one way or another.


And the entire point of this thread is me saying YOU or anyone else shouldn't be confused as such and thus labeled a fucking terrorist even if someone disagrees with you

[PosPosPos]

I think I voted wrong as I am for the concept and ideal of anti-fascism, but as it’s an ideal and not an organisation I didn’t want to vote no and imply I’m somehow against anti-fascism and therefore supporting fascism...

Oh joy, the neo-nazi/fascism propaganda is working.

Anti-fascism has always been a concept, rather than an organization. The fascists and neo-nazis try their damned hardest to pretend such an organization exists, because it's easier to scapegoat a identifiable and visible group rather than intangible concepts.

And laymen like you fall for this every single time.

wait you think that antifa are battling against fascism? lmao

Spoken just like your namesake. Could you do yourself a favor, and not be that transparent?

[Doctor Amadeus]

Because ANTIFA is so loosely organized I suppose almost anyone could claim to be a member? But it's that disorganization that makes me not want to "be a member" of that group, or those people. And if I'm going to be a member of something the rules and goals of the group needs to be clear, and accommodate my beliefs.

But I'll be an anti-fascist, that's for sure.

If you protest and Trump doesn't like it it doesn't matter if we are clear what ANTIFA is or if it exist, YOU belong to ANTIFA whether you want to or not.

Personally I am saying fuck it, I AM ANTIFA FUCK IT if i am going to be labeled a terrorist no matter what. Because Fuck Trump and fuck supporting the murder of innocent citizens by police.

[Cizr]

It is odd how every video showing "unprovoked" antifa attacks have them instead reaction to something which was captured on video by someone else while the actual fascist edit their videos to say antifa attacked them...

It is odd how this is not true...

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2018/...marine-attack/

this guy https://www.boston25news.com/news/tr...dad/913267244/
https://www.newsweek.com/antifa-far-...opnion-1477065

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/statu...04063362674688

attack on ICE detention centre

Bike lock professor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q6W4nbVmiM

evil "nazi" granny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ02eeYPKEU


World is larger than just USA :


Germany https://www.dw.com/en/dont-ignore-fa...cks/a-51863303

killing a guy in Spain for wearing t-shirt in national colours

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8112186.html


They just like calling anyone they dislike nazis/fascists to justify their violence

[Dezerte]

If you protest and Trump doesn't like it it doesn't matter if we are clear what ANTIFA is or if it exist, YOU belong to ANTIFA whether you want to or not.

Personally I am saying fuck it, I AM ANTIFA FUCK IT if i am going to be labeled a terrorist no matter what. Because Fuck Trump and fuck supporting the murder of innocent citizens by police.

I mean sure - hypothetically - at some point I couldn't stop or control what people are saying about me. I could try to tell them otherwise, but ultimately you'd reach a point where you'd probably just had to "roll with it".

[Cizr]

Because ANTIFA is so loosely organized I suppose almost anyone could claim to be a member? But it's that disorganization that makes me not want to "be a member" of that group, or those people. And if I'm going to be a member of something the rules and goals of the group needs to be clear, and accommodate my beliefs.

But I'll be an anti-fascist, that's for sure.

Antifa is organization. You have many Antifa <City name>. They use same symbols as original military communist organization.

You should be anti-fascist but you can be anti-fascist and not be a part of left wing extremist groups.

[Jessicka]

Oh joy, the neo-nazi/fascism propaganda is working.

Anti-fascism has always been a concept, rather than an organization. The fascists and neo-nazis try their damned hardest to pretend such an organization exists, because it's easier to scapegoat a identifiable and visible group rather than intangible concepts.

Re read what I wrote, it’s the same as what you’re saying. It’s an ideal not an organisation. An ideal I fully support.

That I didn’t want to vote ‘no’ and imply I wasn’t supportive of the ideal.

[Craaazyyy]

Spoken just like your namesake. Could you do yourself a favor, and not be that transparent?

oh no, you actually think that they're figthing against fascists.. oh no no no

are you one of those that thinks that just because they have anti fascist in their name that means if you oppose them you're a fascist or for fascism? are you stupid?

[PosPosPos]

I mean sure - hypothetically - at some point I can't stop or control what people are saying about me. I can try to tell them otherwise, but ultimately you reach a point where you just have to "roll with it".

Honestly, there's only so much foreign well-wishers and their protests can do to help another nation's citizens with their authoritarianism problems.

Germany was "lucky" to have a world war for them to fight off the Nazis, in the sense that other nations had the perfect excuse to step in to interfere(although from another perspective, it was technically the Nazis themselves who triggered the circumstances to their own demise in the sense they were the ones to spark off said world war).

Other than rare outliers, authoritarianism, if it was overcome, it had to be overcome from within. And sufficiently rooted authoritarianism has historically been only defeated with violence.

If enough Americans support authoritarianism, or even just take an apathetic stance, then they are eventually going to head the way of North Korea, of China, Russia etc. What these authoritarian regimes all have in common is that their civilians have all but completely given up on resisting; and to that end, they reaped their just deserts.

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oh no, you actually think that they're figthing against fascists.. oh no no no

are you one of those that thinks that just because they have anti fascist in their name that means if you oppose them you're a fascist or for fascism? are you stupid?

Yeap, you need professional help. As well as staving off your excessive trips to fascist conspiracy sites.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Antifa is organization. You have many Antifa <City name>. They use same symbols as original military communist organization.

You should be anti-fascist but you can be anti-fascist and not be a part of left wing extremist groups.

No you fucking don't you have asshats and made up bullshit by alt-right white supremacist trying to undermine the rights of everyone else.

[Cizr]

No you fucking don't you have asshats and made up bullshit by alt-right white supremacist trying to undermine the rights of everyone else.

You cant be anti-fascist without being a part of communist organization ? What ?

[PosPosPos]

No you fucking don't you have asshats and made up bullshit by alt-right white supremacist trying to undermine the rights of everyone else.

I guess following his (abject lack of) logic, all of us being humans means we are all part of a "human" organization.

For an anti-globalist reactionary like Cizr is, he sure loves to push hyperglobalist concepts that globalists themselves wouldn't think of venturing into.

How ironic.