Earth vs the Orcish Horde

[Powerogue]

Magic trumps anything Earth could pull out. The Horde isn't JUST warriors. They have plenty of spellcasters.

All with a 40 yard range. I'm pretty sure our weapons have higher than that.

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Depends on how fast the politicians declare them refugees and mewl about understanding and tolerating their culture of viciously murdering everything in sight.

"We must open our gates to these refugees! Their home planet was destroyed! by their own hands as they got drunk on dark magic, but still!"

(Not trying to make this political only making the same sort of joke as Doom Eternal)

[endersblade]

That depends, do they have oil?

[Tarba]

It dépends of the writer. Nothing makes sense in wow. The legion was made of a limitless immortal army with a way better technology and spaceships.
They didn't even manage to clear their own world or damage us.

[shadowmatrix]

Earth wins IMO.

Technology - Earth has better technology then the humans of Azeroth and the orcs lost to them repeatedly until they managed to assassinate the human king. Imagine the orcs sneaking through a valley having no idea that the enemy is watching them through a satellite feed. Constant drone strikes, how does one fear an unmanned plane?

Numbers - Earth wins the numbers game and has the home field advantage so the orcs would lose any war of attrition.

Magic - This one is a mystery, does magic even work on Earth? If the orcs can use magic will that lead to humans learning to use magic?

Demons - Can demons from the legion be summoned or is there a restriction since they are operating in a different reality? If demons can be summoned can they resurrect in the twisting nether or is it like the Phlogiston of D&D where souls are trapped within it due to their gods having no influence inside of it? Would the demons even come over, this brings too much religious speculation into the discussion.

[TheRevenantHero]

Then why didn't they do that during the First and Second wars? The Orcs aren't entirely stupid, but they're still a culture heavily based on martial honor, and these particular Orcs are high on demonic murder juice as well, and their world is dying and cannot sustain them anymore. Ain't no way they'll accept sitting their asses at the other end of a portal while Warlocks trickle in reinforcements. To say nothing of the fact we'd quickly find the source of said reinforcements and either bomb the portal to oblivion, or invade Draenor ourselves through it which would be quite doable if pressed.

Honestly? Because the WRITERS are dumb as bricks. They're depicted as being tactical and intelligent in other scenarios but apparently threw that all out when invading through the Dark Portal? Really doesn't make sense to me.

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All with a 40 yard range. I'm pretty sure our weapons have higher than that.

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"We must open our gates to these refugees! Their home planet was destroyed! by their own hands as they got drunk on dark magic, but still!"

(Not trying to make this political only making the same sort of joke as Doom Eternal)

The 40 yard range is purely for game mechanics balancing. At least I'm pretty sure considering a lot of nonsense we see in cut scenes.

[Nynax]

How? Like you say on a long enough timescale we auto lose to Sargeras.
Even if we ruin all the legion rule of stupid tech there's nothing we can do to stop the legion's infinite respawns, we don't have Azeroth's plot armour and can't get to argus, they could just meatgrind us down if they really wanted too.

Numbers - Earth wins the numbers game and has the home field advantage so the orcs would lose any war of attrition.

Honestly something that gets overlooked a lot. Fantasy series vs reality. It's really hard to contemplate just how big of a number 7 Billion humans is. But just consider that one major earth city, likely has a larger population than the entire Orcish Horde. Possibly by orders of magnitude larger.

I mean, just consider that in Lord of the Rings, they freaked out over an army of 10,000 orcs (Uruk-hai). Now back to Earth, the army size of the First crusade is estimated to have been around 30,000. Let alone the army size of the biggest empires throughout history....before human population even hit .5 Billion. We are currently at 7.5.

The Legion's scary Infinite Demon Army? Fool, we are an infinite army!


TLDR: Earth has a fuck ton of humans on it.

[Budong]

As long as they're not THESE orks, we'll be fine.



And if these orks ever invade, well then...

[Zmagoslav]

I find it hilarious how many here think "we have nukes" is a valid argument...

They invade our earth and your answer is: "let's nuke it!".
Nobody in their right mind burns their own resources.

On topic: We'd only require infantry.

[Kathranis]

Wasn't this actually a scrapped ending for Warcraft II?

Even with magic I don't think it would be a contest. The orcs lost the second war and the Alliance didn't have the benefit of modern military technology.

Best they could probably hope for is a White Chlorination Syndrome type situation where they bring disease or incompatible magical elements into the real world that we can't combat.

[jellmoo]

I find it hilarious how many here think "we have nukes" is a valid argument...

They invade our earth and your answer is: "let's nuke it!".
Nobody in their right mind burns their own resources.

On topic: We'd only require infantry.

Except that's only an issue if they appear in a spot where, you know, nuclear powers actually care. If an invading army of monsters suddenly sprang up in a non nuclear nation, you can bought your bottom dollar that at least one of the nuclear powers will attack.

And even then, they don't actually even need nuclear weapons. Conventional ballistic missiles would just as easily decimate a group of orcs that have no concept what a missile travelling thousands of kilometres at something like 5 km/second actually is.

[Budong]

Wasn't this actually a scrapped ending for Warcraft II?

Even with magic I don't think it would be a contest. The orcs lost the second war and the Alliance didn't have the benefit of modern military technology.

Best they could probably hope for is a White Chlorination Syndrome type situation where they bring disease or incompatible magical elements into the real world that we can't combat.

The Alliance had the benefit of Gul'dan taking almost half of the Horde's forces away from the siege of Lordaeron. Things might have gone quite differently had they stayed united.

[Cosmic Janitor]

There's another simple reason: They have no idea where it actually is. And randomly flying through space trying to find one specific planet isn't a terribly great idea even if you can get to any planet in a day, nevermind having to do so at sublight speeds.

It stands to reason that you need to know where a planet is if you want to open a portal there. Them not knowing where azeroth is makes no sense, especially since their agents have been operating on the planet for 10k years. The way more simple reason is no one at Blizzard thought this through, which is pretty much the correct answer for every lore question all the time.

[huth]

Best they could probably hope for is a White Chlorination Syndrome type situation where they bring disease or incompatible magical elements into the real world that we can't combat.

Of course that runs the very real risk of working against them as well.

It stands to reason that you need to know where a planet is if you want to open a portal there. Them not knowing where azeroth is makes no sense, especially since their agents have been operating on the planet for 10k years. The way more simple reason is no one at Blizzard thought this through, which is pretty much the correct answer for every lore question all the time.

And whenever they open a portal to Azeroth, it is from Azeroth. They never opened a portal from somwhere else to Azeroth, only Azerothians have done that.
It's perfectly reasonable that they do not, in fact, know where it is. Especially since there's some indication the Titans messed with things to hide it.

[Yunru]

A single chopper can take on whole army of orcs:

[Sagenod]

It stands to reason that you need to know where a planet is if you want to open a portal there. Them not knowing where azeroth is makes no sense, especially since their agents have been operating on the planet for 10k years. The way more simple reason is no one at Blizzard thought this through, which is pretty much the correct answer for every lore question all the time.

Well the worlds aren't connected at first. There was simply a psychic link between Medivh and Gul'dan. Medivh on Azeroth, Gul'dan on Draenor, they both did magical stuff and constructed the Dark Portal so that it would be connected between their worlds.

[iosdeveloper]

AK-47 > Fireball

[Sunderella]

depends. is Medivh sided with the Horde? If so they win. If he's not, then Earth wins without competition.

[Sagenod]

AK-47 > Fireball

Or chemists/physicists reverse engineer the magic of enchantments and create enchanted AK-47's that shoot fireballs.

[Cosmic Janitor]

The portal needs to be cast from both sides (at least in the old lore), that may be true, but it makes no sense that they wouldn't get to know where their target is. A teleportation spell with an item may follow a black box principle that does not require knowledge about the target destination, but a stable portal spell by logic alone should need knowledge about the target destination. Otherwise you would be left with a swath of possible plot holes.

As for requiring someone to open it from the target destination, that may very well be because of the titans hiding Azeroth in some way, short, medium and relatively large range portals certainly don't need this while on Azeroth. Either way, a speculative protection on Azeroth wouldn't apply to Earth anyway, unless we want to construct some past magical involvment, which goes way beyond the given premise (though mediv being here is kinda a big deal alraedy).

[Zendhal The Black]

Just immagine the war pumped orcs charging into the Dark Portal to take the new lush world for their own...


...only to come out on the other side to one guy in a sandbag nest machine gunning the living shit out of them


Or we just build Iris on Dark portal like in Stargate fanchise and enjoy the splatting sounds of the whole horde