Demonic Varieties in Mardum

[gurutikka]

Why don't the Illidari use Shivarra as their training dummies? Shivarras are demons as well. Or is it because it would offend one of the Shivarras named Matron Malevolence (who is an npc helping the illidari) who probably wouldn't like the sight of seeing her own race being tortured as dummies?

[Caerule]

You may have answered your own question. I would also guess that if you want a training dummy that can't fight back, you need something tough. Shivarra use skill and power to battle. Not raw muscle and fortitude. Not the best kind of dummy. You'd need something physically tough. And you can't allow a captive Shivarra to use her strengths, if you're to use it as a dummy.

[gurutikka]

You may have answered your own question. I would also guess that if you want a training dummy that can't fight back, you need something tough. Shivarra use skill and power to battle. Not raw muscle and fortitude. Not the best kind of dummy. You'd need something physically tough. And you can't allow a captive Shivarra to use her strengths, if you're to use it as a dummy.

It's just another demon though, why it being not tough matters anyways.

What about that shivarra matron, she wouldn't be happy I take it seeing her own kind as training dummies?

[Maljinwo]

Shivarra have other uses

[Aucald]

Shivarra aren't really combat monsters, they're demonic chaplains and specialists - not really known for their endurance to sustained attack and more in the spellcaster mold as demonic troops.

[gurutikka]

So they can't take a beating? Honestly, I thought all are same, demons are demons.

[FelPlague]

So they can't take a beating? Honestly, I thought all are same, demons are demons.

"i thought they are all the same, demons are demons"

Yeah prob take the same amount of hits to knock down, demons are demons.

[Dellis0991]

So they can't take a beating? Honestly, I thought all are same, demons are demons.

You can't honestly believe that a imp has the same physical strength and constitution as a hulking 10 ft Felguard carrying a massive 2 handed axe.

[Aucald]

So they can't take a beating? Honestly, I thought all are same, demons are demons.

Demons are actually pretty varied - you think a Fel Lord and an Inquistor can take the same punishment, or a Doom Lord compared to a Succubus? Some demons are combat-oriented and used as shock troops, from your standard issue Mo'arg to the Annihilians like Magtheridon or Mannoroth. Others tend to be less durable and more suited to espionage or specialist roles: Nathrezim, Eredar, Sayaad, Inquisitors, and Shivarra. If you want to use a captive demon as a demon sponge you're going to want to use one of the more durable warrior cultivars as opposed to the glass cannons.

[Josyel]

Shivarra have other uses

I like where this is going

[gurutikka]

that's pretty cool, how did u manage to get that imp to sit on your head?

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Demons are actually pretty varied - you think a Fel Lord and an Inquistor can take the same punishment, or a Doom Lord compared to a Succubus? Some demons are combat-oriented and used as shock troops, from your standard issue Mo'arg to the Annihilians like Magtheridon or Mannoroth. Others tend to be less durable and more suited to espionage or specialist roles: Nathrezim, Eredar, Sayaad, Inquisitors, and Shivarra. If you want to use a captive demon as a demon sponge you're going to want to use one of the more durable warrior cultivars as opposed to the glass cannons.

I see. What would happen if they used shivarra as dummies to train on? In theory. I know you mentioned they aren't strong, then what would happen to them in the scenario they were used as a demon sponge training dummy?

[Unholyground]

Shivarra have other uses

Yes they do, they can cook and prepare multiple meals at a time, they are the most impressive chefs in the twisting nether.

[Aucald]

that's pretty cool, how did u manage to get that imp to sit on your head?

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I see. What would happen if they used shivarra as dummies to train on? In theory. I know you mentioned they aren't strong, then what would happen to them in the scenario they were used as a demon sponge training dummy?

They would be swiftly incapacitated and/or die, limiting their utility as training dummies. Or a Shivarra might attempt to mind control their would-be assailants in a bid for freedom and vengeance, depending on the relative power levels at play.

[gurutikka]

They would be swiftly incapacitated and/or die, limiting their utility as training dummies. Or a Shivarra might attempt to mind control their would-be assailants in a bid for freedom and vengeance, depending on the relative power levels at play.

Do the Demon Hunters REALLY hit that hard for a Shivarra to swiftly die so quickly?

[Aucald]

Do the Demon Hunters REALLY hit that hard for a Shivarra to swiftly die so quickly?

The Shivarra that could be conceivably captured and chained in the Fel Hammer? Yes. The ones that wouldn't be are probably too high of a tier to safely contain in such a way.

[gurutikka]

The Shivarra that could be conceivably captured and chained in the Fel Hammer? Yes. The ones that wouldn't be are probably too high of a tier to safely contain in such a way.

So are the Shivarra just incredibly weak to the point they will die instantly if they were training dummies or are the Demon Hunters known to hit very hard with lots of strength?

[shoc]

A breakaway faction of Shivarra joined the Illidari, along with some Naga and the OG Broken from Outland. Wouldn't be very kind to their unlikely allies to use of their species as a training dummy, when soulless infernal constructs are a thing.

[Aucald]

So are the Shivarra just incredibly weak to the point they will die instantly if they were training dummies or are the Demon Hunters known to hit very hard with lots of strength?

They're not durable enough to make great training dummies, no. The ones that would be - such as Matron Mother Malevolence, Alizabal, Mother Shahraz, or members of the Coven of Shivarra in Antorus would be too dangerous to use in such a capacity.

[gurutikka]

They're not durable enough to make great training dummies, no. The ones that would be - such as Matron Mother Malevolence, Alizabal, Mother Shahraz, or members of the Coven of Shivarra in Antorus would be too dangerous to use in such a capacity.

I see.

So basically Demon Hunters are very powerful and would hit very hard and a generic Shivarra wouldn't be able to survive the beating?