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  1. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underverse View Post
    Trashfire of a racist dogwhistle? And you submit an interview with a CIA agent as a counterargument? Is that a joke?
    Nope. Because if you have a former CIA agent telling you that what they witnessed was an instance of unequivocal police brutality ("murder" was the term used), then chances are it's a pretty clear cut situation.

    The coroner's report that YOU cite revealed fentanyl intoxication, methamphetamine use, and coronary artery disease.
    Uh huh. Now...wait for it...

    But concluded the cause of death remained asphyxiation.

    These are facts. His purchase of cigarettes is also a fact. Fentanyl leading to respiratory distress is also a fact - and that's when it's used at medical doses, nevermind to get high. Whether or not he was using counterfeit currency is an open question. Whether or not he resisted arrest is an open question.
    And not a single one of them is relevant to the point that a police officer using unnecessary force, despite protests from bystanders, despite pleading from the suspect, continued to perform an action which had a high risk of permanent injury or death. It was not justifiable.

    Restraining a suspect by kneeling on their neck is furthermore legal in Minneapolis. One could argue that it shouldn't be (and I would agree with that) or that the officer did it incorrectly (maybe, I'm not an expert). But nothing I wrote was false or racist.
    Good, the protesters are arguing that it shouldn't be.

    And yeah, it was. Whinging about a victim's drug use or criminal background every time someone is the victim of a police lynching is pretty textbook as far as the system's response in terms of media management. Which is why we keep joking that every store that gets burned down smoked weed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    'That's not going to bring my brother back': George Floyd's brother calls for end to violence

    "So let’s do this another way," Terrence Floyd said at the Minneapolis memorial to his brother. "Let’s stop thinking that our voice don’t matter and vote, because it’s a lot of us and we still going to do this peacefully.”"
    You've spent more time on this forum criticising a minority of protesters who are looting rather than condemning a substantial number of police departments who are being actually violent against peaceful demonstrators.

    Ya got an agenda or something there, bud?
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Protesters. Trump, per his usual, has done nothing but instigate drama and ignore the reasons for the protest. The use of military force on peaceful protesters in Lafayette yesterday was horrific and should be addressed by Congress immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    'That's not going to bring my brother back': George Floyd's brother calls for end to violence

    "So let’s do this another way," Terrence Floyd said at the Minneapolis memorial to his brother. "Let’s stop thinking that our voice don’t matter and vote, because it’s a lot of us and we still going to do this peacefully.”"
    Voting is not going to mean anything this cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Voting is not going to mean anything this cycle.
    Nothing will.
    Because no one knows exactly what is supposed to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Nothing will.
    Because no one knows exactly what is supposed to happen.
    Fixing some of the problems is not that hard, it just does not confirm to the believes of the conservative side of the dems and the fascists in the GoP. Or do you think taking away a lot of power from the police and holding them accountable is actually something that can't be done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Fixing some of the problems is not that hard, it just does not confirm to the believes of the conservative side of the dems and the fascists in the GoP. Or do you think taking away a lot of power from the police and holding them accountable is actually something that can't be done?
    If this can't be fixed in Law, then it can't be fixed.

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    Sidelines, with popcorn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    If this can't be fixed in Law, then it can't be fixed.
    But it is possible, did you just not read anything I said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    But it is possible, did you just not read anything I said?
    You claimed it wasn't hard.
    *shrugs*

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Underverse View Post
    Trashfire of a racist dogwhistle? And you submit an interview with a CIA agent as a counterargument? Is that a joke?

    The coroner's report that YOU cite revealed fentanyl intoxication, methamphetamine use, and coronary artery disease. These are facts. His purchase of cigarettes is also a fact. Fentanyl leading to respiratory distress is also a fact - and that's when it's used at medical doses, nevermind to get high. Whether or not he was using counterfeit currency is an open question. Whether or not he resisted arrest is an open question. Whether he would have died had he not been high on fentanyl at the time is an open question.

    Restraining a suspect by kneeling on their neck is furthermore legal in Minneapolis. One could argue that it shouldn't be (and I would agree with that) or that the officer did it incorrectly (maybe, I'm not an expert). But nothing I wrote was false or racist.
    So he was a drug addict high on fentanyl and methamphetamines and potentially resisted arrest after being caught using counterfit money? This completely blows the entire narrative out of the water.

  11. #151
    Literally on no one's side.

    Would have been on the protester's side but given most of them just voted for Biden the segregationist, it is difficult to feel any sympathy for people that stupid.

    Maybe I'm on the looter's side, at least they aren't as dumb as fucking shit and have taken the golden opportunity to do some socialist redistribution (ie steal a television).

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    Plenty of Liberals Support Trump.
    That's gonna be a hard no. You can't call yourself a liberal (in the American sense of the term) and support Trump.

    The man and his policies are the literal polar opposites of everything liberals believe in or stand for.

  13. #153
    Generally speaking:

    Support the Protestors (with caveat that they social distance)
    Support Police Reform
    Against the rioters
    Against the riot police & Trump

  14. #154
    I support the rights of anyone who wants to protest for any reason. Provided that they do so responsibly. Which is not happening. I also support the rule of law and due process. Not lynching, which is what a lot of rioters want, which is ironic given the overall political narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune B View Post
    I support the rights of anyone who wants to protest for any reason. Provided that they do so responsibly. Which is not happening. I also support the rule of law and due process. Not lynching, which is what a lot of rioters want, which is ironic given the overall political narrative.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  16. #156
    I'm not going to vote because as is the case with most of your polls, it lacks options. If protesters includes looters and people who set random private property on fire, I can't vote that, even though I believe protests (as opposed to looting and devastation) are in order. And I most certainly won't vote for Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    Personally I don't have the luxury to choose what side I was Born into, So I'll die there too, and that Side is never with Trump even if I could pick.
    Meaning?
    Quote Originally Posted by Adolecent View Post
    I'm getting infracted by an American moderator on an American topic promoting/advocating weapons on a childrens forum, what else to expect on an American forum. I'm done here and i'm going to leave you one thing to remember:
    [extremely graphic picture of dead children]
    Hope you sleep well. With the lack of empathy the majority of you show i guess that won't be a problem. BB

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    Racism is a huge problem in the US. Police brutality is a huge problem in the US. There is overlap. But there is actually nothing to suggest law enforcement officers frequently and intentionally murder black people the way the narrative goes. Black people are 13% of the population and commit a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime leading to lethal encounters with law enforcement. The race of the officer who kills a black suspect statistically has NO bearing on whether or not they are killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune B View Post
    Racism is a huge problem in the US. Police brutality is a huge problem in the US. There is overlap. But there is actually nothing to suggest law enforcement officers frequently and intentionally murder black people the way the narrative goes. Black people are 13% of the population and commit a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime leading to lethal encounters with law enforcement. The race of the officer who kills a black suspect statistically has NO bearing on whether or not they are killed.
    Nice list of right wing talking points.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Nice list of right wing talking points.
    How come the left believes that there are like 69 genders, but political opinions are binary? That with us or against us nonsense used to be the poorly nuanced, black and white thinking domain of authoritarians and conservatives.

    I'm a democratic socialist, a progressive, a liberal, a technocrat and a meritocrat, a vegan, and a feminist. I probably missed a few qualifiers as well.

    Nothing changes the fact that these things have to be proven in a court of law.

    You can have your own opinions, you can't have your own facts. Fact is we don't know what was in the officer's mind when he killed Floyd, and whether it was intentional, let alone due to race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune B View Post
    How come the left believes that there are like 69 genders, but political opinions are binary?
    We don't, y'all are literally just that easy to pick out. Dogwhistles and the like are usually only ambiguous to centrists.

    I'm a democratic socialist, a progressive, a liberal, a technocrat and a meritocrat, a vegan, and a feminist. I probably missed a few qualifiers as well.
    Imagine believing all of these things and missing all of their points.

    Nothing changes the fact that these things have to be proven in a court of law.
    Cool, we dispute the notion that the judicial system is just as it stands currently.

    You can have your own opinions, you can't have your own facts. Fact is we don't know what was in the officer's mind when he killed Floyd, and whether it was intentional, let alone due to race.
    Nah, but given the 18 prior complaints against him I guess we'll just have to take the trend of him being a cunt as evidence he was a cunt. Shockingly enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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