Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[TigTone]

No, I can't. Because I can say, "Broad protection from legal consequences from their actions while 'carrying out their duties', and deeply corrupt law enforcement agencies that do everything they can to protect their own and prevent them from being held accountable."

Well that stop on who’s the lawyer and who are the kids parents.

As we know wealth speaks.

[Breccia]

There is no evidence that China, Russia, or Iran are using covert online attacks (as they did in 2016 to attack the election) to spread chaos in the US.

They don't need to. They're just doing it openly.

“China’s primary goal appears to be to discredit U.S. criticism of China’s crackdown on Hong Kong. Iran’s primary goals appear to be to discredit U.S. criticism of Iran’s human-rights record and to attack U.S. sanctions,” the report says. “Russian state-controlled outlets largely focused on the facts of the protests, in line with a longstanding practice of covering protests in the West; some individual pieces of editorial content also attacked Kremlin critics and the mainstream media.”

On Saturday, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, drew attention to the issue of foreign social media activity when he tweeted:

"Tonight seeing VERY heavy social media activity on #protests & counter reactions from social media accounts linked to at least 3 foreign adversaries. They didn’t create these divisions. But they are actively stoking & promoting violence & confrontation from multiple angles."

China, for example, blasted the U.S. for alleged hypocrisy in a series of editorials in state-sponsored media.

One editorial in the People’s Daily newspaper saw the unrest and the official reaction as “a vivid demonstration of American ‘double standards’ and the country's deteriorating political environment. On the one hand, protests over the death of an unarmed African American man in Minneapolis police custody have spread around the U.S.; on the other, the U.S. has threatened to impose economic sanctions on Hong Kong.”

Iranian accounts also openly criticized the U.S. and drew attention to the Floyd killing, embracing the hashtag #JusticeForGeorgeFloyd. But Graphika did not find evidence of a secret campaign.

Russian state media “focused on the facts on the ground, in line with a practice of highlighting genuine grievances and protests in the West; some editorials focused on prominent Kremlin critics, notably the mainstream media, former U.S. President Barack Obama, and human-rights NGO Human Rights Watch,” the report said.

A graphic in the state-sponsored Sputnik newspaper said, “America 2020: Where anti-racists are terrorists and racists are president.”

We are being trolled. Effectively.

[wunksta]

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/aus...ags-at-protest
https://twitter.com/richlilkey/statu...15380071747589
Warning: Graphic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BGyTi-KdKc

[Hobb]

Can you say multi million dollar lawsuit?

Can't Texas law has set limitations on how much you can sue the government for, which is $250,000 per individual or $500,000 per incident. Whichever is less.

For example if 5 people are injured and sue Texas the max each could receive will be $100,000 add in more people then even less per person in damages.

[Raetary]

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/aus...ags-at-protest
https://twitter.com/richlilkey/statu...15380071747589
Warning: Graphic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BGyTi-KdKc

This is horrifying.

[PhaelixWW]

A surprising new poll shows Trump and Biden are basically neck and neck, with Trump ahead by one percent!

"Woohoo! MAGA!"

In Texas!

I think maybe you missed my post from a few days ago, but Trump hasn't even always lead in those polls.

Also, it should be noted that the real reason that Trump is so happy about the Texas Supreme Court enabling voter suppression blocking mail-in-ballot expansion in Texas, is likely due to recent polling in the Lone Star state:



Texas isn't a guarantee for the GOP this time around, and those 38 EC votes are a must-win for Trump and he knows it.

[Edge-]

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/aus...ags-at-protest
https://twitter.com/richlilkey/statu...15380071747589
Warning: Graphic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BGyTi-KdKc

Cops are straight up murdering people.

And Trump is cheering them on.

[Pannonian]

This is horrifying.

What's even more horridying is that the guy is obvious still working as a cop, as no one has been sent home while the investigation is running.

So many want to close the ranks...

[Thepersona]

Cops are straight up murdering people.

And Trump is cheering them on.

Oh, neat. It seems that cops in the US are as brutal as they are here with the protesters. Do they snort cocaine before repressing them, by the way?

[Poopymonster]

Saw on FB, unknown truth but made me snicker.
In NYC and other areas, cops aren't getting days off until the protests end. Let's wear em out. How long can they do 12 hours a week, 7 days a week. Outlast them.

[Masark]

Oh, neat. It seems that cops in the US are as brutal as they are here with the protesters. Do they snort cocaine before repressing them, by the way?

Shoot up steroids more likely.

[Edge-]

Oh, neat. It seems that cops in the US are as brutal as they are here with the protesters. Do they snort cocaine before repressing them, by the way?

Knowing some officers in larger cities...some do, and some of these officers very well may be. Drug use isn't exactly isolated in many departments, often driven by a complete failure of their mental health systems (both systemically and culturally within forces) to help officers deal with work-related stresses, leaving many to self medicate with alcohol or drugs.

[wunksta]

Oh, neat. It seems that cops in the US are as brutal as they are here with the protesters. Do they snort cocaine before repressing them, by the way?

This one seemed to be on something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3TFV2bTj38

[Elegiac]

Oh, neat. It seems that cops in the US are as brutal as they are here with the protesters. Do they snort cocaine before repressing them, by the way?

Unsure, but at least a third of them are probably beating their wives before and after.

It's almost as if these people should not be police.

[PhaelixWW]

Saw on FB, unknown truth but made me snicker.
In NYC and other areas, cops aren't getting days off until the protests end. Let's wear em out. How long can they do 12 hours a week, 7 days a week. Outlast them.

This is just outright fucking stupid. Do you think their reactions are somehow going to get better the longer it goes? Do you think you're actually going to outlast the police?

[Thepersona]

Unsure, but at least a third of them are probably beating their wives before and after.

It's almost as if these people should not be police.

Oh, its just like here! Lovely, isnt it?
/s

[DarkTZeratul]

Look what it took, and how long, to achieve this outcome.

To be fair, they've been saying for almost a week that they were moving slowly to make sure they had all their ducks in a row and it wouldn't just get tossed for rushing to prosecute without due diligence.

[Edge-]

This one seemed to be on something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3TFV2bTj38

A bully, in their natural environment. Heavily armed, backed up by dozens of other heavily armed "buddies", with the "law on their side", gleefully taunting protesters in the hopes that he'll be able to assault them.

Too many police forces are packed with highschool bullies that never outgrew that mentality.

[Pannonian]

This is just outright fucking stupid. Do you think their reactions are somehow going to get better the longer it goes? Do you think you're actually going to outlast the police?

Actually yes.

The police only works because people agree to give police the power. If the trust of the citizens is waning, they can either try to rebuild that trust or try to enforce their power in other ways (weapons for example). The problem with the second way is that it leads into a spiral of mistrust and armament.

In essence: Police has power, because we agree they have. They may have gadgets etc. but when it comes to it, there are much more citizens, and when the citizens finally decide police doesn't earn the trust/power, then yeah, they are fewer in numbers...

[Omega10]

We've discussed over and over the idea if Trump would make up an excuse and at least give up on the election -- possibly saying something like "these Democrat Fake Media attacks aren't fair to my family whom I profess to love, so I'm quitting even though I could totes win ugaiz" -- as soon as he realizes he's not going to win. Trump hates losing, and loves his image. He can't lose if he doesn't compete.

Obviously, nobody here would buy that excuse. Even the rabid fanbase. They might pretend, of course, but you can't go from screaming "Fight back, Mr. Bigly! You tweet with all your might and you'll show them!" to "These attacks are unfair, he made the right call, he would have left earlier but he was doing more for everyone than anyone ever" without stomping on the clutch. And we'll see the smoke coming out of their ears.

Another option? Fake a heart attack. Or have a heart attack. It can't be that hard, he's 300 by now and barely gets out of his bunker to get any exercise. It'd be much easier to shift gears to "oh, well if he's sick and/or dying it makes sense" although it would fly in the face of "healthiest person to ever run" if he either falls ill or pretends to fall ill before completing his only term. Also, I can't think of a time that's ever happened. Has any US President gotten too sick to continue, without actually dying?

If we asked around, however, I'd bet that the consensus is, once he makes it to the debates, that's no longer an option. One, once he gets his shit pushed in on national live TV three more times, saying "I could still win but I don't want to" will ring even more hollow than the empty rooms in Mar-a-Lago. Two, the logistics of replacing him at that stage of the game would be monstrous -- unPresidented I believe, and I doubt you can just say "Pence, you got this!" and hobble to the exit on your bone spurs. Even if he could, Pence has the Charisma of a half-orc barbarian with two ex-wives, a cold sore, kicks puppies and it snowed yesterday. People literally forget he's in the room. Actually, I can't wait to see him debate whichever woman Biden picks for VP. Can you imagine if Pence's wife isn't in the room?

But September 29 is a long way away. Basically, four months. Will things get so bad, in four months, that even intentionally deluded, narcissistic Trump thinks he can't win, to the point of making a no-return move of dropping out? Honestly, I hope not. Simply put, that means Trump's damage to America would be far worse than we're seeing right now: Great Depression-level unemployment, a negative GDP rate that could literally be "half of it", protests in the streets, riots in the streets (they're not the same thing), martial law basically being threatened, flanked by literal plagues of locusts and the COVID-19 outbreak. And that's just the last few months. For Trump to drop out, I suspect his polls would have to drop through his otherwise unbreakable base, which is cracking but not crumbling.

Oh, and unrelated: McEnemy was asked if Trump still had confidence in Esper. She refused to answer. The experienced (not talented) liar and distractor went with “With regard to whether the president has confidence, I would say if he loses confidence in Secretary Esper, I'm sure you all will be the first to know.” Which is what I would say, if I knew I was out of the loop to make telling lies easier.

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There's a joke in here about "the house always wins" but it doesn't make sense to use it when Trump literally bankrupted three casinos in one day.

I don't think it has to get unspeakably bad for the remaining non-republicans to swing behind Biden and for Trump's base start to crack a bit. Right now the poll is 52-41. I can see this turning into 60-40 or even say 58-38 over the next 4 months. That would be a slight decay in Trump's base, with the remaining undecided mostly moving to Biden. At this point, the RNC might "ask him nicely" to drop out - nicely as in "if you drop out of the President election now, we promise not to work with democrats to put you in jail for the rest of your life". They could then make their nominees (President and Vice President) whoever they wanted them to be.

Right now, conservative groups are airing the most negative Trump ads that are in circulation. There already is a core set of republicans trying to kick Trump out of their party. As the US deteriorates, and as Trump does more and more stupid and outlandish things, expect their number to grow, and by a lot.