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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Very few things are objectively the better choice, especially when it comes to fun

    Look how many people that are complaining about titanforging being gone
    I did complain. I vastly prefer tuned down BfA WF/TF, than nothing we will have in SL.
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    I'm fine with no warforged stuff, I'm annoyed that reforging is still not around anymore :/ I am repeating myself on that so I'll say no more.
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    I just don't understand why we don't have a system with slight titanforging (like 10 ilvls) and a currency (valor) to upgrade items that didn't titanforge on drop.

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    Hardcore people just fucking hate the idea of gear that gets better based on RNG. No other rhyme or reason to it.

    Its ironically like the opposite of Torghast timers: casuals despise timers regardless of anything else about it. Well hardcore people despise RNG (to an extent) and that's why titanforging is gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by literallysame View Post
    I just don't understand why we don't have a system with slight titanforging (like 10 ilvls) and a currency (valor) to upgrade items that didn't titanforge on drop.
    You mean like how items can drop already corrupted and how we have a currency to buy corruptions?

    Yeah, people don’t like it.

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    Titanforging sucked still so happy its gone.



    Also Worgen heritage armor sucked because its too gaudy and bright, not to mention making suits for a race that hunches over will always look terrible. I would've preferred them giving us a more feral look similar to the way Worgen looked in Northrend. And ironically enough the Mag'Har armor looks fantastic on Worgen.
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    I would love to play a thinner Kul Tiran! Really not a fan of the current female models, sadly

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    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    Hardcore people just fucking hate the idea of gear that gets better based on RNG. No other rhyme or reason to it.

    Its ironically like the opposite of Torghast timers: casuals despise timers regardless of anything else about it. Well hardcore people despise RNG (to an extent) and that's why titanforging is gone.
    You don't need to be hardcore to be annoyed by mobile tactics and slotmachines.

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    Also, I don't like the implications in Ardenweald in regards to a certain green lady, it makes a certain celestial object's influence seem even dumber than before.. What was the point of lifting her up when she ends up tormented in the shadowlands anyway? And why would you remind us of that during questing?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    You don't need to be hardcore to be annoyed by mobile tactics and slotmachines.

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    Also, I don't like the implications in Ardenweald in regards to a certain green lady, it makes a certain celestial object's influence seem even dumber than before..
    Agreed, but titanforging is meant for the most casual players, so that's where the "hard" came in as the people who don't like it (who are vast, though probably not that vast: I bet a lot of dummies like free casino roll shit)

    Elune influence is going to be fucking gigantic, it's heavily implied she's HUGE in cosmic space. Probably birthed the Winter Queen who created an entire realm.

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    Hard to tell but the Jailer might of had something to do with that. Reminding us about Ysera's death isn't bad, we shouldn't forget about those long gone.
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    What people are forgetting is that Ysera still got sent to Ardenweald. As none of the creatures seem to know who Ysera is that means that this is her first rodeo in Ardenweald and Elune + Arbiter is directly responsible for making that happen.

    Elune doesn't seem to be able to save people from death, but she can help them. Jailer is likely responsible for why she couldn't save the Teldrassil victims (as they got chucked into the Maw) and implies his cosmic power is on par with hers (which has big implications, seeing as she is probably the biggest god yet).

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    Dunno about that. Seems more like she is tormented by the nightmare that she interacted with in the dream after the xavius fight where she walks toward the corrupted lily (?). At best Elune's influence might have made her bypass the maw (but so far collecting souls seems to be one of the bare minimum things death-stewards (for a lack of a better word) are capable of doing. After the grand cutscene I would have expected more than the "sike!" moment of finding her dumped in ardenweald and leaving it to us to awakening her from her tormenting nightmares. Seems more like the lightshow was for us mortals, so this has quite a wizard of oz feel tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Dunno about that. Seems more like she is tormented by the nightmare that she interacted with in the dream after the xavius fight where she walks toward the corrupted lily (?). At best Elune's influence might have made her bypass the maw (but so far collecting souls seems to be one of the bare minimum things death-stewards (for a lack of a better word) are capable of doing. After the grand cutscene I would have expected more than the "sike!" moment of finding her dumped in ardenweald and leaving it to us to awakening her from her tormenting nightmares.
    The Maw trap was likely not active at that time (I think one of the keepers says there haven't been many seeds after hers) so it's probably not that either. It's very likely the only thing Elune did was come down and escort her soul personally to Ardenweald (maybe bypassing the Arbiter entirely).

    Elune is probably something grander and more impartial than Azeroth's pet goddess, hence why she isn't popping down and nuking all the baddies. Everything points to her being some kind of creationist god figure of the entire universe and that may mean she can't just come down and work miracles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    The Maw trap was likely not active at that time (I think one of the keepers says there haven't been many seeds after hers) so it's probably not that either. It's very likely the only thing Elune did was come down and escort her soul personally to Ardenweald (maybe bypassing the Arbiter entirely).

    Elune is probably something grander and more impartial than Azeroth's pet goddess, hence why she isn't popping down and nuking all the baddies. Everything points to her being some kind of creationist god figure of the entire universe and that may mean she can't just come down and work miracles.
    According to WoWhead, she was specificially in the final batch of seeds before the Drought hit. That's actually a fairly significant lore fact for SL, heightening the chances of it being somehow tied to Sylvanas deal with Helya significantly.

    That aside, Elune's "wings" did look rather similar to a certain offline surveyor of souls, and apparently she's not responding anymore either. Could even see her being the Life equivalent and the two somehow linked.

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    If it was connected to Helya then I personally fail to see the major event that could have shook the very foundations of life and death. The little lamp was hardly significant enough. There is also the whole Azerite plot line and how it supposedly spurned Sylvanas to action after touching Gallywix's stick that seems entirely forgotten with her obvious motivational retcon.

    If it was related to the stabbing or argus' energy being used to fuel Sargeras' prison maybe.. but Helya? Why should should she of all people be capable of breaking the arbiter? If I remember correctly her forte was dimensional magic which helped shape the elemental planes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    If it was connected to Helya then I personally fail to see the major event that could have shook the very foundations of life and death. The little lamp was hardly significant enough. There is also the whole Azerite plot line and how it supposedly spurned Sylvanas to action after touching Gallywix's stick that seems entirely forgotten with her obvious motivational retcon.

    If it was related to the stabbing or argus' energy being used to fuel Sargeras' prison maybe.. but Helya? Why should should she of all people be capable of breaking the arbiter? If I remember correctly her forte was dimensional magic which helped shape the elemental planes.
    It may not have been something we got to see at the time. Possibly even Helya's side of the bargain.

    Besides, i could see just that being used here to funnel the Souls in the wrong direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    This is a texture conversion error on Wowhead's end. This is the accurate version.
    Darn, I really liked those Kyrian a lot in that scheme, even the swolekin lol

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    Ah well, for all we know her not-death might have been another 4D chess move, got her into the shadowlands proper and fumble with the arbiter. She is described as a very gifted sorceress after all. Though personally I find the breaking of the wheel of death happening off screen, beause of unrelated events, a bit unsatisfying, as far as stories go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Ah well, for all we know her not-death might have been another 4D chess move, got her into the shadowlands proper and fumble with the arbiter. She is described as a very gifted sorceress after all. Though personally I find the breaking of the wheel of death happening off screen, beause of unrelated events, a bit unsatisfying, as far as stories go.
    Probably because saying "the wheel of death is broken!" and then going into BFA and ignoring that for two years would've been jarring.

    It's very likely that the entire Shadowlands plot (more or less) was being written during Legion. Sylvanas being bad from the start is up in the air but is backed up by Cata (before) and Varimathras at the end (after).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Ah well, for all we know her not-death might have been another 4D chess move, got her into the shadowlands proper and fumble with the arbiter. She is described as a very gifted sorceress after all. Though personally I find the breaking of the wheel of death happening off screen, beause of unrelated events, a bit unsatisfying, as far as stories go.
    I wouldn't call Sylvanas, an agent of the Jailer at the time, dealing with another Death-related entity "unrelated events". We've been wondering what the hell that whole thing was about ever since.

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