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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Yes, there's a long way to go. But this is really good news that indicates to worse is behind us and that we're now on the road to recovery.
    Oh shit sudden trumpster. Do you guys just wait in the wings until there's something to make Trump look not entirely disgusting? Mind going back to defend Trump's actions from the past two or three days?
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Well at least they're being honest now.

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    Trump's fragile male ego is on full display today. The man praised himself (LOLJUSTKIDDINGNOTREALLY) for the increase in the jobs numbers.

    But will he take blame for the largest surge of unemployment in history?

    Naw.

    We all knew the jobs numbers would recover. A large number of these employees were temporarily laid off. Now business are opening again so yeah, jobs are going back up.

    Great -- just what...40 million jobs to go?
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    I'm sure Trump isn't cooking the books to make it look like we are on the road to recovery so that no new unemployment aid packages are necessary. He'd totally never do something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Yes, there's a long way to go. But this is really good news that indicates to worse is behind us and that we're now on the road to recovery.
    What makes you think that?
    Because the number of daily new cases are close to zero?
    Or because the number of daily deaths are close to zero?

    Do you think that a businesses that laid off 70-90% of it's work force and now hired a small fraction back is a sign of recovery? Or maybe it's just a sign that they didn't want to pay the wages for the last 3 months and now that they are legally allowed to reopen that they just hired a small group of people back who will be fired again when things become bad again.

    Difference between Europe and US is that our governments and people took things more serious then the US government and half the population. We created the major downward trend that the US barley achieved outside a few places.

  5. #45045
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    The inane ramblings of a sick man. He can't even focus on one point.



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    Fucking dammit. The idiot is puting jet fuel to the raging inferno.

    And i thought my president was an idiot on the handling of our own nationwide protests
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    The inane ramblings of a sick man. He can't even focus on one point.



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    That second statement is absolutely insane.

    Even by Trump standard...

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    A radio station here was speaking of interesting parallels between Trump statements now and that of in the 90's on the 5 kids from Harlem.

    Guess he's going on a total rampage again, well if you can only attract racists might as well go full racist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    What makes you think that?
    Because the number of daily new cases are close to zero?
    Or because the number of daily deaths are close to zero?

    Do you think that a businesses that laid off 70-90% of it's work force and now hired a small fraction back is a sign of recovery? Or maybe it's just a sign that they didn't want to pay the wages for the last 3 months and now that they are legally allowed to reopen that they just hired a small group of people back who will be fired again when things become bad again.

    Difference between Europe and US is that our governments and people took things more serious then the US government and half the population. We created the major downward trend that the US barley achieved outside a few places.
    We had a lot more targetted solutions from the EU actually set on making sure businesses survived AND keep their jobs. We are also putting stalling out loans if you can prove that you need them, not just housing but just about anything.

    The US simply threw money on it and not even where it was needed the most, just who lobbied the hardest for it. Am i glad that the EU learned from the last crisis that came out of the US, the housing bubble and made our financial market and institutes more robust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Within that twitter thread was this



    We are like 7.5 maybe 7.75 at this point. Then again considering how our police behave and their backing maybe we just are fully at step 8. What with the deaths and killings and no care for it.

    Also cops once confiscated an entire HOUSE from a family under civil forfeiture under suspicious their son had committed a crime...
    Way back in 2016, I remember saying that Trump's campaigning used a lot of rhetoric and propaganda that sounded eerily similar to early nazi propaganda, especially regarding Mexicans/Jews. At the time, I said "it's kind of disturbing, but I'm not gonna worry til they start throwing Mexicans into concentration camps." and basically every Trumpkin (and a few Democrats) told me I was being stupid.

    Now here we are, 4 years later, and we're basically right on schedule.
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    The crazy is really spreading. Multi-racial family looking to go camping questioned by dipshits, followed, trapped, and had to be escorted out of town.

    The family had shopped for camping supplies at Forks Outfitters and were confronted “by seven or eight carloads of people in the grocery store parking lot,” Anderson said they reported to deputies.

    “The people in the parking lot repeatedly asked them if they were Antifa protesters. The family told the people they weren’t associated with any such group and were just camping,” the press release said.

    “The family had to drive their bus around vehicles in the parking lot in order to get back onto Highway 101.”

    The family told deputies that at least four vehicles followed them as they drove northbound out of Forks. They said that two of the vehicles had people in them carrying what appeared to be semi-automatic rifles.

    They drove their bus up the A Road and onto a logging spur road, where they pitched a tent to camp for the night, they told deputies, but then heard gunshots in the distance and power saws down the road from where they were camping. They packed their camp to leave.

    They found that someone had cut down trees across the spur road.

    They were trapped.
    Here's the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I'm personally still trying to figure out how the math works for the jobs report, it's not adding up at all.

    More jobs were lost last month, than were gained. and yet... the unemployment rate somehow went down.
    Just throw the term "real unemployment rate" into a speech. It's a code word with alternating meanings. If it's Democrats, the "real unemployment rate" is higher than the actual unemployment rate. If it's Republicans who are stake, then the "real unemployment rate" is basically 0%. But again, only when Republicans are taking credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Yes, there's a
    *LOUD ANNOYING BUZZER*

    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    The Secret Service placed Trump in the WH bunker as a direct result of escalating protester violence. To frame this as somehow not being a dangerous situation is crazy.
    So, did the SS move Trump to the bunker, like you said, or did he visit briefly in the day to do an inspection, like he said?

    You have 24 hours to decide, or I decide for you and you admit your cowardice by failing to answer.

  12. #45052
    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    What makes you think that?
    Because the number of daily new cases are close to zero?
    Or because the number of daily deaths are close to zero?


    Do you think that a businesses that laid off 70-90% of it's work force and now hired a small fraction back is a sign of recovery? Or maybe it's just a sign that they didn't want to pay the wages for the last 3 months and now that they are legally allowed to reopen that they just hired a small group of people back who will be fired again when things become bad again.

    Difference between Europe and US is that our governments and people took things more serious then the US government and half the population. We created the major downward trend that the US barley achieved outside a few places.
    MSN has a pretty bad virus tracker, but what they have posted is:

    Active cases 1,365,364 +14,945
    Recovered cases 438,864 +7,172
    Fatal cases 109,826 +1,123

    Almost 15k more active cases and another 1k deaths is close to zero? And these are numbers biased towards reducing how bad the virus looks.

    The basic stance of the United States is that we have conquered the virus, social distancing is part of the past, and the main goal is to get our economy roaring. The mainstream media is pushing this narrative in a big way. It's not so much that they are biased towards Trump, it's more like the mainstream media and Trump just happen to be on the same team.

    The oil companies got their bailout, Boeing stock is back over 200 and is roaring to go, airlines are starting to have more passengers, and America is optimistically opening up with its can do spirit. The stock market rally has broken all records in its power, and is primed to roar past 30k over a fairly short period of time.

    If this holds up until November, we have ourselves a huge red wave. This would suit the business community and the mainstream media and Trump quite nicely. But there is a lot of rot underneath all the gleaming shiny happy numbers that is hard to not see.

    For both sides of the political divide, all that can be done between now and November is to fight as hard as you can for your side, without getting consumed by both the stupidity and dishonesty of our political discourse, not to mention the intense amount of pure hatred that is permeating American society.

    This will not end well for America. In July of next year, there is a good chance that whoever is President will wish the other guy had won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGoldSharpie View Post
    The crazy is really spreading. Multi-racial family looking to go camping questioned by dipshits, followed, trapped, and had to be escorted out of town.

    The family had shopped for camping supplies at Forks Outfitters and were confronted “by seven or eight carloads of people in the grocery store parking lot,” Anderson said they reported to deputies.

    “The people in the parking lot repeatedly asked them if they were Antifa protesters. The family told the people they weren’t associated with any such group and were just camping,” the press release said.

    “The family had to drive their bus around vehicles in the parking lot in order to get back onto Highway 101.”

    The family told deputies that at least four vehicles followed them as they drove northbound out of Forks. They said that two of the vehicles had people in them carrying what appeared to be semi-automatic rifles.

    They drove their bus up the A Road and onto a logging spur road, where they pitched a tent to camp for the night, they told deputies, but then heard gunshots in the distance and power saws down the road from where they were camping. They packed their camp to leave.

    They found that someone had cut down trees across the spur road.

    They were trapped.
    Here's the link.
    JFC, the alt right keeps going above and beyond in proving just how goddamn insane they can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    JFC, the alt right keeps going above and beyond in proving just how goddamn insane they can be.
    Nuts, isn't it? We're moving into an era where these people are so far gone they're acting out their conspiracy theories to the point where they're intimidating their fellow Americans.

  15. #45055
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    MSN has a pretty bad virus tracker, but what they have posted is:

    Active cases 1,365,364 +14,945
    Recovered cases 438,864 +7,172
    Fatal cases 109,826 +1,123

    Almost 15k more active cases and another 1k deaths is close to zero? And these are numbers biased towards reducing how bad the virus looks.

    The basic stance of the United States is that we have conquered the virus, social distancing is part of the past, and the main goal is to get our economy roaring. The mainstream media is pushing this narrative in a big way. It's not so much that they are biased towards Trump, it's more like the mainstream media and Trump just happen to be on the same team.

    The oil companies got their bailout, Boeing stock is back over 200 and is roaring to go, airlines are starting to have more passengers, and America is optimistically opening up with its can do spirit. The stock market rally has broken all records in its power, and is primed to roar past 30k over a fairly short period of time.

    If this holds up until November, we have ourselves a huge red wave. This would suit the business community and the mainstream media and Trump quite nicely. But there is a lot of rot underneath all the gleaming shiny happy numbers that is hard to not see.

    For both sides of the political divide, all that can be done between now and November is to fight as hard as you can for your side, without getting consumed by both the stupidity and dishonesty of our political discourse, not to mention the intense amount of pure hatred that is permeating American society.

    This will not end well for America. In July of next year, there is a good chance that whoever is President will wish the other guy had won.
    Dude. Again, not going to happen. The second wave is coming in a few weeks ,and even with the bestest economic recovery, we will not be in pre-covid numbers until 2021-2022.
    And airlines need 80% capacitiy to break even, and that is not happening until we get a vaccine. There're 40M+ people without a job, and the GDP is tanking.

    The Conference Board is adopting a U-shape scenario as our base forecast, and we expect second quarter GDP to decline by almost 45 percent (annualized). This large drop is driven by a fall in consumer spending of more than 50%, a drop in real capital spending of just over 20% and a fall in exports of more than 35%. By the end of June, economic output will have recovered to 87% of what it was in December 2019.

    Our U-shaped growth scenario assumes a slow recovery in the second half of the year that will bring December 2020 economic output to about 96% of what it was a year earlier. This recovery will be primarily driven by consumer spending in Q3 and Q4. We don’t expect a recovery in investment to start until Q4. Despite some isolated supply-side price spikes, overall inflation is likely to remain weak at -0.4% for the first half of 2020 and 0.5% for the second half.
    https://www.conference-board.org/pub...ic-Forecast-US
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  16. #45056
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGoldSharpie View Post
    The crazy is really spreading. Multi-racial family looking to go camping questioned by dipshits, followed, trapped, and had to be escorted out of town.



    Here's the link.
    Sure seems like domestic terrorism to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The part where he tries to shush a question about systemic racism before Trump says his plan is for us to have the stongest economy
    Trump is facing a serious problem: not only is the economy in trouble due to his direct words and actions, but also, he's losing polling numbers on that -- his strongest feature in polls.

    He's desperately clawing back at those polls, screaming into the wind about those jobs which are about the same as the new filings on Thursday, meaning he's taking "about zero" as a win.

    His best results are underwater.

    So yes, he's thrashing around desperately, "George Floyd would love what I did for jobs" because he needs anything that even looks like a win at this point. This is along the lines of "Hey, remember that family of four I ran over? My insurance is paying the health care of the one that didn't die!"

    Even if we cut the projections in half, he's going to hit November with higher unemployment than he started, a GDP that's negative by as much as Obama's was positive, and China buying about half of what they bought in 2016. In other words, even by the rosiest estimates, he's going to have horrifying results of everything he tried to do to the economy -- and with a skyrocketing deficit to show for it, even by 2019.

    He has to make everything about the economy. Otherwise, he drowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Trump's getting his "THE WALL", it just seems much closer to him than we thought.
    The White House is now surrounded by nearly 2 miles of fencing and barricades

    In the 72 hours since the Trump administration used tear gas and other nonlethal force to violently clear Lafayette Square of peaceful protesters before President Trump's walk to St. John's Church, "the White House has been transformed into a veritable fortress," The Washington Post reports, with tall security fencing and concrete barriers erected to keep protesters from an expanded secure zone. "Armed guards and sharpshooters and combat troops are omnipresent." According to Google Maps, the new fencing stretches about 1.7 miles around the White House.

    "The White House is now so heavily fortified that it resembles the monarchical palaces or authoritarian compounds of regimes in faraway lands — strikingly incongruous with the historic role of the executive mansion," known as "the People's House," the Post adds. "The resulting picture is both jarring and distinctly political — a Rorschach test for one's view of Trump's presidency. His supporters see a projection of absolute strength, a leader controlling the streets to protect his people. His critics see a wannabe dictator and a president hiding from his own citizenry."

    "I think the need to fortify your house — and it's not his house; it's our house — shows weakness," said Deborah Berke, dean of the Yale School of Architecture. "The president of the United States should not feel threatened by his or her own citizens."

    White House officials tell the Post that Trump wasn't involved in the decisions to ramp up security and put up the new fencing, and they noted he has left the White House twice this week, including the brief St. John's spectacle. "The president has been sensitive to the perception fanned by his critics that he is cowering in a bunker and fearful for his own safety," and he's "livid that the media found out" about him being rushed to the bunker last Friday, the Post reports. This probably won't help dispel that perception.
    Or, to quote this random tweeter,

    Trump began his term promising to build a wall to protect America from the world.

    He ends it building a wall to protect himself from Americans.



  18. #45058
    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Dude. Again, not going to happen. The second wave is coming in a few weeks ,and even with the bestest economic recovery, we will not be in pre-covid numbers until 2021-2022.
    And airlines need 80% capacitiy to break even, and that is not happening until we get a vaccine. There're 40M+ people without a job, and the GDP is tanking.



    https://www.conference-board.org/pub...ic-Forecast-US
    I agree that there is a good chance that the scenario that you are depicting will happen. Don't underestimate the ability of the mainstream media to spin this into an astoundingly good accomplishment. After all, the headlines from today can be summarized as:

    Unemployment is at 13 percent!!! Stock market gains 700 points, the business community is EXHILARATED!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Sure seems like domestic terrorism to me.
    Of course it is. Remember this place a few years ago and all the ranting about antifa and the alt-right bullshit about meeting make up force with real force? Turns out a lot of dumb hicks absorbed what these nuts were ranting about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    *LOUD ANNOYING BUZZER*



    So, did the SS move Trump to the bunker, like you said, or did he visit briefly in the day to do an inspection, like he said?

    You have 24 hours to decide, or I decide for you and you admit your cowardice by failing to answer.
    Could you be any more obnoxious? You were wrong about the situation and are trying to make out like you're somehow superior here because Trump did his usual stupid shit with lying about everything.

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