Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Zan15]

The numbers, they used to be fake, but now they're real.


Just want to highlight that. Loopholes are legal. They're also transparent.


We'll see how this goes. Unemployment is up about 10% over pre-lethal outbreak. This isn't good news for Trump or the country, it's just less bad. And if the numbers are only this good because people "I was technically employed the whole time!" are back in, then those numbers can't get that much better that quickly. But a lot of experts made projections that all aligned with each other, than this doesn't match any of them. I'll celebrate if they stick.

The numbers just do not add up not when the state numbers are factored in and the private payroll numbers show nothing even close to resembling this data. Sometimes there is a big difference but this 10+ million.

Something is way off.

we already saw 700k negative adjustment its very possible by the 2nd revision and 3rd revision at the end of june we see a massive downward revision again????


Not saying there is any specific fraud, it just sounds like the data is bad and when they come out with the actual full employment dataset that tracks more than just a 60k sample.....who knows.

I almost give up at this point trying to figure it out. I have yet to hear any of the "experts" come up with a rational explanation.

they are trying because this is how they make money predicting unemployment both from investments and salaries. they want to know how they could have ALL missed this. NO ONE predicted this, at least not this early.

[Breccia]

has this been discussed?

"Forget your question about racism, jobs are up, Floyd would be proud"? Yeah. Came up once or twice. Still relevant because it's still offensive and stupid.

[Lanrefni]

Some schools are pushing off in-person classes yet further, if they feel they're in this position.

Meanwhile there's a school bus outside my door every morning for...some reason.

Schools where I am have the buses running so they can deliver meals to students who might not be getting them at home.

[Thepersona]

Please. Lets not tarnish the good name of Satan by associating him with Trump.

Mr Satan was instrumental on the defeat of kid boo.
Now, come at me bros!

[Edge-]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ss-pass-303395

In some good news, the courts reminded the White House that the First Amendment exists, requiring them to restore Brian Karem's press badge following his verbal altercation with Sebastian "I couldn't get hired in Hungry because I'm an idiot with a warrant out for my arrest" Gorka.

[Benggaul]

Mr Satan was instrumental on the defeat of kid boo.
Now, come at me bros!

Some Americans might only know him as "Hercule". Silly dubs.

[TigTone]

Omg it’s over,

Trump said Strong economy is going to quell protests, racial divide, and the worst of coronavirus is behind us. (Get ready for their new talk points )

He did , he fixed the USA.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAI...S&ceid=US%3Aen

[Stormspark]

Some Americans might only know him as "Hercule". Silly dubs.

Fortunately I've only ever seen the DVD re-dub that came out starting in 2007.

[Thepersona]

Some Americans might only know him as "Hercule". Silly dubs.

The latin american dub is/was better than the english dub, in almost every anime that i've watched.

[arandomuser]

dems and "liberal" media are so weak
in 2016 trump said that the official numbers were fake and the real unemployment was based on the labor participation rate
and literally campaigned that the real unemployment was 30%+
Why cant dems use the same metric?

[Benggaul]

The latin american dub is/was better than the english dub, in almost every anime that i've watched.

I think the only English dub I've enjoyed was Cowboy Bebop. Pretty decent VA all around, considering. The rest of the time I just stick with subs.

Annnnnnd I've probably derailed the thread enough. Good grief. Sorry folks.

[Omega10]

dems and "liberal" media are so weak
in 2016 trump said that the official numbers were fake and the real unemployment was based on the labor participation rate
and literally campaigned that the real unemployment was 30%+
Why cant dems use the same metric?

Part of the problem is that the story that the mainstream media is pushing is so false and so out of touch with reality. How do you go about fighting this? And Trump is just a small part of the problem. If anything, the combination of headlines on Yahoo or MSN have been more dishonest cheer leading than what Trump has done.

The business community is going down its path full speed ahead. Trump is just along for the ride. The US is just along for the ride. If it turns out ok, it will be because of their wise and awesome guidance, and Trump's brilliance. If it fails, it will be because democrats messed everything up. The full power of the MSM will be hard to fight.

[Elegiac]

Oh! That reminds me! The gay porn hookers that senator LG has been employing are talking about banding together and exposing him.
Here's the link: https://twitter.com/SeanHardingXXX/s...72970265964547 but be forewarned, it's a gay porn hooker twitter feed, so who knows what you will see. This is the relavant info:

AHAHAHAHA.

Oh my god he can kiss his reelection chances goodbye the instant one of them whips out a cellphone video.

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It's time to stop being black

and start being american.

Lol, Black people built America, maybe White people should start acting like Americans for once.

Or are you not aware of who built the White House?

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"Lady G" is now trending on Twitter, and it isn't talking about Lady Gaga. I'll give you one guess who it is.

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As social media is wont to do, it has come up with a hilarious but entirely appropriate name for the recent set of barricades erected around the White House, as mentioned earlier in the thread.

The name of this edifice my friends? Why, the BabyGate, of course.

President Donald Trump has now overseen the construction of a perimeter fence around the White House that is nearly two miles in length — and it’s already getting mocked relentlessly on social media.

As construction of the perimeter fence continued on Friday, many Twitter users said it reminded them of a baby gate that new parents use to keep their infants from crawling into potentially dangerous areas.

“Aww isn’t this cute!” Twitter user @H0telr0meo wrote in one widely shared tweet. “Little #BunkerBoy now has his own #BabyGate.”

[Pannonian]

So according to the official annoucement of the White House:

Protesting is okay, with the exception of kneeling in front of the flag.

Time to get that 1st amendment an asterisk with a nice gold sharpie.

Man i wish the white house would give black necks the same priority as the flag...

[Zan15]

is today Hypocrite Friday or something???

Lets start with voter fraud:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump...184045364.html

Even as they both attack the idea of voting by mail, President Donald Trump and his new press secretary may have voted by mail illegally, using residential addresses on their registrations that were not their residences.
Kayleigh McEnany cast Florida ballots in 2018 using her parents’ address in Tampa, even though she lived in Washington, D.C., and held a New Jersey driver’s license. Trump cast a Florida ballot this year using a business address in Palm Beach, where he had promised the town government he would not live.



Then Fake unemployment Numbers:


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/05/here...-reported.html

The Bureau of Labor Statistics, which published its monthly jobs report Friday morning, admitted the official unemployment rate may be low relative to reality due to an error in data collection.

Here’s why the real unemployment rate may be higher than reported

The unemployment rate fell to 13.3% in May, according to a Bureau of Labor Statistics report on Friday.

The agency admitted the real unemployment rate likely exceeds 16%. the BLS may have severely undercounted the number of workers classified as “unemployed on temporary layoff” due to an error, the agency said

That’s due an error in how furloughed workers were treated in the data sample. April’s unemployment rate would have been nearly 20% absent that same error.

[Redwyrm]

Citing an economic ‘emergency,’ Trump directs agencies across government to waive federal regulations

Welcome to the new normal where the President has absolute power. Hope the next Democratic President remembers this power grab and makes use of it.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...etR?li=BBnbfcL

The Trump administration is doing by fiat what it has struggled to accomplish through lengthy rulemaking: dismantle federal regulations designed to protect workers, consumers, investors and the environment.

Invoking an economic “emergency” stemming from the coronavirus pandemic, the administration has made it harder for people to challenge inaccuracies on credit reports, eased required breaks for commercial truckers, told factories and power plants that they should obey pollution limits but did not have to monitor or report their emissions routinely, among other things.

President Trump formalized this strategy two weeks ago when he signed an executive order instructing agencies across the government to rescind, modify or simply stop enforcing regulations if they burden the economy. On Thursday , he signed another order to allow agencies to waive 50-year-old environmental laws to speed federal approvals of pipelines, highways, and other projects.

The president took the actions even as he celebrated a 13.3 percent unemployment rate Friday and said the economy was surging in “the greatest comeback in American history.”

His executive orders have resurrected a long-running debate about whether regulation hurts the economy.

“This is a huge win for pro-growth policies,” said David McIntosh, president of the Club for Growth, in a recent call with reporters.

The moves come on top of waivers that federal agencies had already granted businesses and industries earlier in the health crisis. The White House will seek to make many of those roughly 600 deregulatory actions permanent, according to a former White House official speaking on the condition of anonymity to talk frankly.

As the virus spread across the United States earlier this year and the economy cratered, officials looked for places to pare back.

The federal consumer watchdog agency suspended requirements that financial institutions investigate disputed information on consumers’ credit reports. The Department of Labor relaxed some worker protections, including how businesses report paid sick leave. The Food and Drug Administration cut the time it takes to approve new antimicrobial products from years to months.

Major conservative groups and trade associations, which decry many federal regulations as overreach, are rushing to present even more ideas. These include setting aside labor requirements on infrastructure projects; speeding up vaccine and treatment approvals; limiting corporate liability; lifting restrictions on telemedicine so people can see doctors across state lines; and loosening wetlands protections so farmers can install stocked fish ponds or other features.

But others warn that the president is overstepping his authority, and the executive orders will collapse in the face of legal challenges.

“The good news is that the president has once again assumed he possesses absolute power to say what the law is, but he does not,” said Richard Lazarus, a Harvard University professor of environmental law, in an email. “That is the job of the courts, and they will reject the president’s effort to sweep away critically important public health protections enacted by Congress and signed by prior Republican and Democratic presidents.”

Still, even if interest groups battle rollbacks in court, federal officials could just stop enforcing some regulations, said New York University School of Law professor Richard Revesz. “Agencies have a fair amount of discretion of when to bring enforcement actions,” he said.

For more than a century, Congress has created agencies and regulations to oversee activities it didn’t have the expertise to handle, mostly to protect the public.

In 1887, for example, the federal government established the Interstate Commerce Commission to manage the exorbitant rates railroads were charging farmers and merchants. The first federal mine safety statute passed in 1891, and Upton Sinclair’s portrait of the unsanitary meatpacking industry in “The Jungle” spurred the creation of the Food and Drug Administration in 1906. Other regulations do everything from protecting competition to bolstering financial stability to requiring equipment to make offshore oil spills less likely.

Trump’s executive order in May, however, freed the agencies from enforcing regulations that “may inhibit economic recovery” on a temporary or permanent basis.

“The point is to tell the agencies not to throw the book at someone acting in good faith,” said a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal thinking about the policy.

The order Thursday directed agencies to waive requirements imposed by laws such as the Endangered Species Act and the National Environmental Policy Act if that could accelerate the construction of highways, pipelines and other projects. These laws require agencies to solicit public input on projects proposed in their communities and analyze in detail how they could potentially harm the environment.

The president said he was acting because of dire economic circumstances brought on by the pandemic. But his desire to weaken the 50-year-old National Environmental Policy Act predates the eruption of coronavirus in the United States. In early January, he railed against the law and proposed fundamental changes to weaken it.

One sign of industry’s appetite for regulatory relief can be seen on the state level in Minnesota, where pollution regulators have received more than 500 requests for “regulatory flexibility” because of covid-19 and been granted more than 93 percent of them.

[Benggaul]

Just posting this here now as a sort of "inb4 Trump tries to take credit" thing...

Al-Qaeda chief in north Africa killed - France

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Do we have anyone here from Michigan? There's something up with the COVID-19 numbers for today and I don't have a lot of time to look into it before heading off for my night shift. It looks as though there's been a MEGA correction today and they're starting to count cases that hadn't been confirmed before--because I seriously doubt the numbers I'm seeing now are legit all from today.

[Lenonis]

It looks as though there's been a MEGA correction today and they're starting to count cases that hadn't been confirmed before--because I seriously doubt the numbers I'm seeing now are legit all from today.

Is this what you mean:

On Friday, the Michigan Department of Health and Human services reported 284 new cases and 20 deaths.The state also reported for the first time Friday probable COVID-19 cases and deaths. The state reports 4,928 cases, bringing the total to 63,169, and 240 deaths, bringing the total to 5,837.
In a release Friday, the state said probable cases and deaths are determined by using a national standard, and that identifying those cases and deaths "provides a more complete picture about how COVID-19 has impacted the state." Probable cases or deaths are defined as:

• Having clinical disease AND an epidemiologic link.
• Having a presumptive lab result AND either clinical disease OR an epidemiologic link.
• Having a death certificate that lists COVID-19 disease as a cause of death or a significant condition contributing to death without a positive COVID-19 confirmed lab result.

[Benggaul]

Is this what you mean:

That's it, thank you kindly. I knew they couldn't be a one-day total since going from around 20 to 240 was too big a leap, particularly when new cases hadn't been going up previously. Do you have the link for that handy?

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Sometimes, some people need to be protected from themselves.




...seriously, Donald. Just shut the F up...