Why The Bernie Revolution Failed: Toxic Staffers

[LilSaihah]

I thought the Bernie revolution failed because they tried to team up with a party that wasn't going to let them in.

[Felya]

I thought the Bernie revolution failed because they tried to team up with a party that wasn't going to let them in.

I think people realized that Bernie caucusing with democrats for nearly 40 years, without ever even being a democrat, kinda made that argument silly. If you ignore the rust belt and the south, you will lose... America is not made of homogeneous people that all think a like. At some point people need to realize that there is a lot of people who disagree with them... has nothing to do with any conspiracy. The reality, as hard as it may be to believe, is that a lot of people don’t think Bernie was a good choice. A lot of those people reside in the south and rust belt... I’m sorry to Bernie supporters, the crazy red necks that you look down on, have a voice... not crazy... and far from having red necks due to hard outdoors labour.

Edit: I honestly, not meant as a sleight, believe that this is the ramification of everyone being a snowflake. Constantly being told that you are special. Completely ignoring the pit fall of conditioning people to believe they have an over all superiority to everyone else. Now imagine a generation conditioned on being special... Would they be more likely to claim NASA are liars, because their observations say so? Would they be more likely to fall for conspiracy theory, requiring you to be woke, while everyone else is a sheep?

Well... the sheep voting Biden, thought you were sheep too... we are all the smartest, most all knowing individuals in the universe... and you can’t... teach... that...

Edit 2: A plague of arrogant, believing they are confident.

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doesn't seem like any lessons were learned.

What do you mean? Is 4 more years of Trump, punishment for not voting Bernie? Or, is Bernie losing the south reminiscent of Hillary’s failure?

[Omega10]

Keep it up. This is exactly the kind of infighting Donald Trump wants come November.

The Democrat Party has a shitload of issues it needs to work through over the next few years, not the least of which is how to bridge that Biden/Bernie Divide. But the Number 1 Priority has to be to get Donald Trump out of Office.

I don't understand why Biden supporters seem so determined to rip the democratic party to shreds. It will self destruct anyways, but lets have it happen AFTER the republicans are significantly weakened, not before. Or at least until after November.

[Vanqwidth]

I thought the Bernie revolution failed because they tried to team up with a party that wasn't going to let them in.

Some truth to that. The progressive left are under the illusion that the corporate left will work with them. They don't. The corporate left will ultimately prefer someone like Trump over someone like Sanders.

[JohnBrown1917]

Some truth to that. The progressive left are under the illusion that the corporate left will work with them. They don't. The corporate left will ultimately prefer someone like Trump over someone like Sanders.

The corporate left is an oxymoron. Hardcore capitalism pretty much stands polar opposite to any left-wing ideology.

[Mihalik]

drivel and nonsense

Bernie's primary bid failed because of demographics. It's just baby boomers fucking up everything they touch. Boomers just need to fucking die off already before we can get anything done.

They all rather vote for a racist senile rapist (description applies in equal measure to Biden and Trump) before they'd vote for a socialist. Even if on paper they agree with everything the socialists wants to do.

[Egomaniac]

I don't understand why Biden supporters seem so determined to rip the democratic party to shreds. It will self destruct anyways, but lets have it happen AFTER the republicans are significantly weakened, not before. Or at least until after November.

Let's be fair...it's not just Biden supporters that are doing this.

[Acidbaron]

The corporate left is an oxymoron. Hardcore capitalism pretty much stands polar opposite to any left-wing ideology.

Define hardcore capitalism and left wing ideology, since statements like that make me think you are making up definitions again.

[JohnBrown1917]

Define hardcore capitalism and left wing ideology, since statements like that make me think you are making up definitions again.

Do I need to explain to you what capitalism is? Try to open a dictionary for once.

[Acidbaron]

Do I need to explain to you what capitalism is? Try to open a dictionary for once.

You are know to take quite a lot of freedom when it comes to defining something, might as well ask for what you believe the definition to be when making bold claims.

[Omega10]

Let's be fair...it's not just Biden supporters that are doing this.

This is Biden's campaign. If his campaign wants to spend this election season making the point that Bernie supporters said mean things about him in the past, or are still making mean comments about him, then well I suppose that what democrats will be talking about. And oh yeah, the best way for Biden supporters to goad Bernie supporters into trashing Biden is ... well articles like the one that started this thread. It's almost as if the OP was paid by the Trump campaign or the business community to divide and conquer the democrats.

Democratic talking points: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS HORRIBLE.

Republican talking points: Finally something we can agree with the democrats about.

It might not be enough to get Trump the victory, but I suppose it's as good an attempt as any.

[Sunseeker]

....It's almost as if the OP was paid by the Trump campaign or the business community to divide and conquer the democrats.

Democratic talking points: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS HORRIBLE.

Republican talking points: Finally something we can agree with the democrats about.

It might not be enough to get Trump the victory, but I suppose it's as good an attempt as any.

I honestly don't think the OP is actually a Democrat.

[Egomaniac]

This is Biden's campaign. If his campaign wants to spend this election season making the point that Bernie supporters said mean things about him in the past, or are still making mean comments about him, then well I suppose that what democrats will be talking about. And oh yeah, the best way for Biden supporters to goad Bernie supporters into trashing Biden is ... well articles like the one that started this thread. It's almost as if the OP was paid by the Trump campaign or the business community to divide and conquer the democrats.

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Biden isn't making a point about Bernie supporters being mean to him in the past. Some Biden supporters are making that point, yes...but some Bernie supporters are doing the exact same thing towards Biden.

Both Bernie and Biden are trying to get their supporters to try and make peace with the other side...

Democratic talking points: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS HORRIBLE.

Republican talking points: Finally something we can agree with the democrats about.

It might not be enough to get Trump the victory, but I suppose it's as good an attempt as any

If you look back...this is what my first post was saying:

Keep it up. This is exactly the kind of infighting Donald Trump wants come November.

The Democrat Party has a shitload of issues it needs to work through over the next few years, not the least of which is how to bridge that Biden/Bernie Divide. But the Number 1 Priority has to be to get Donald Trump out of Office.

Both sides of the Democratic party need to tone that shit down. Stop focusing on why your preferred democratic candidate is better than someone else's preferred democratic candidate. Just simply focus on the one thing you can both agree on...Trump is worse than either one of them.

[Monster Hunter]

Kinda funny to someone to see someone berating others for being insufficiently left wing when they've openly admitted they'd vote for Putin as president for life.

Drop the act.

CommunismWillWin isn't a communist, they are a USSR fan boi, when i was in the CPGB i met more than a few young idiots like them who never bothered reading the manifesto, didn't really have much if it all any grasp on the political philosophy they were just supporters because it was rebellious and edgy, they liked the "look" and the anthems and would often need chastising and putting back into line as they had a big tendency to simply throw support in with any other opposition the country or government without considering there alignment with Marxist principles, the enemy of our enemy is not our friend.

so it doesn't surprise me in the least to here that they have shown support for a right wing dictator like Putin.

[Acidbaron]

CommunismWillWin isn't a communist, they are a USSR fan boi, when i was in the CPGB i met more than a few young idiots like them who never bothered reading the manifesto, didn't really have much if it all any grasp on the political philosophy they were just supporters because it was rebellious and edgy, they liked the "look" and the anthems and would often need chastising and putting back into line as they had a big tendency to simply throw support in with any other opposition the country or government without considering there alignment with Marxist principles, the enemy of our enemy is not our friend.

so it doesn't surprise me in the least to here that they have shown support for a right wing dictator like Putin.

Modern day communists actually look at the USSR and even China with anything but loving eyes. Been reading Zizek and he's hardly full of praise about China, a state that people like him are supposedly claiming to be great communist examples.

I am not sure if it is just the look, i think they are just desperate to be part of some sort of "rebel" club, to go against the mainstream while really not having the foggiest idea what they are actually supporting.

[Monster Hunter]

Modern day communists actually look at the USSR and even China with anything but loving eyes. Been reading Zizek and he's hardly full of praise about China, a state that people like him are supposedly claiming to be great communist examples.

I am not sure if it is just the look, i think they are just desperate to be part of some sort of "rebel" club, to go against the mainstream while really not having the foggiest idea what they are actually supporting.

china is communist in name only, they keep all the looks and trappings but in reality if you compare them policy to policy there more closer to Italian fascism. north Korea has dissolved at this point into basically a feudal system mixed with a military junta. Vietnam is still stuck in the single-party socialist republic phase, something that's supposed to be temporary step to communism but like with the rest its not looking like there government will ever take that step and relinquish power, more likely they will devolve into the china model.

im not sure what exactly attracts them, most of them seem to come from the middle class and are in the rebellious phase, bought a Billy Bragg album but have very little understanding or experience of what hes singing about.

there is a war within communism, between the middle class newbies and the old school working class that's really a mirror of the war between the two in the wider left wing sphere, and ultimately that is what is undermining left wing party's of all stripes across the western world, the working class members feel like there political party's are being taken away from them by the middle class and minority groups, the minority groups are at odds with the other two as one is representative of there problems and the other is heavily resisting minority specific direction and help, and the middle class bunch are being there usual vapid useless and aggravating selves who seem more interested in stoking the division and taking selfies at protest's than actually fixing any of the problems minority's or the working class have. (there also the type to say things like if its not 100% change then its not worth it, by which they mean im here cos i like protesting so i don't really want anything changing even a little bit that might reduce my photo opportunity's) but them im jaded as fuck with the left wing now so might just be being overly pessimistic with there ability to affect any real change in the next few generation's, watching the complete collapse of the left wing as a political force in the uk, despite all the warnings of where the path was heading has left me jaded as fuck.

hopefully this thread isnt indicative of wider american politics, because if it is then america is heading for the same thing that happend in the UK, the left dividing its self up and letting the right win by defacto.

[starlord]

What do you mean? Is 4 more years of Trump, punishment for not voting Bernie? Or, is Bernie losing the south reminiscent of Hillary’s failure?

the latter. it also seems like a lot of bernie's support was purely online driven by foreigners with very little understanding of US legal systems or culture.
this was reflected in the fact that despite a lot of online noise very few showed up to vote.
the constant attacks on democrats, which bernie's campaign somehow missed the fact are often part of the local community with long standing ties, motivated voters to go against bernie who might otherwise have liked his ideas.
now you see the same behavior still from his staffers unable to take the blame for their actions.

[Omega10]

the latter. it also seems like a lot of bernie's support was purely online driven by foreigners with very little understanding of US legal systems or culture.
this was reflected in the fact that despite a lot of online noise very few showed up to vote.
the constant attacks on democrats, which bernie's campaign somehow missed the fact are often part of the local community with long standing ties, motivated voters to go against bernie who might otherwise have liked his ideas.
now you see the same behavior still from his staffers unable to take the blame for their actions.

Another pro-Trump attempt to divide and conquer the democrats. I guess you'll be working to destroy the democrats the whole election cycle. It will be harder and harder for you and your allies to keep this narrative going as the election gets closer. But I guess you could call it a success that you've made it into a topic of discussion so long after the primary was decided.

[starlord]

Another pro-Trump attempt to divide and conquer the democrats. I guess you'll be working to destroy the democrats the whole election cycle. It will be harder and harder for you and your allies to keep this narrative going as the election gets closer. But I guess you could call it a success that you've made it into a topic of discussion so long after the primary was decided.

why do you feel personally attacked by criticism of bernie's staffers mistakes?
"pro trump" would be to constantly attack the dem candidate and encourage people to not vote.

[Egomaniac]

why do you feel personally attacked by criticism of bernie's staffers mistakes?
"pro trump" would be to constantly attack the dem candidate and encourage people to not vote.

Anything that fans the flames of division between Bernie and Biden supporters is, intentionally or not, helping Trump get re-elected.