"Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.
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Well, then, it's a good thing that there are records of the internet-past, so that people can see for themselves.
You know, to save us from having to listen to people who are intentionally trying to distort the truth.
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"Multiple" kinda unsells it a bit.
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What the world has learned is that America is never more than one election away from losing its goddamned mindMe on Elite : Dangerous | My WoW charactersOriginally Posted by Howard Tayler
No, if you read the post I'm clearly saying that the people who took part in slavery were bad but the idea that we should disown X person from hundreds of years ago because they were a bad person in modern context is dumb because everybody from hundreds of years ago is a bad person in modern context. It's like saying we should all burn photos of our great grandparents because they were almost certainly racist.
I'm not sure how clearer it can be:
I think you misunderstood what I meant, I wasn't saying that slavery didn't play a part in the break out of the US civil war lol, I was pointing out that Hollywood has romanticised the idea that it was a simple good vs bad struggle when that's bullshit.
The north wasn't anti slavery because it was bad for slaves, they were anti-slavery because it was bad for their economics, they didn't like that plantations were superior economically to farms and they were worried about it spreading. It wasn't a war between evil southern racists who thought black people were equal to cattle and heroic northern progressives who wanted to free the slaves and enshrine them as equal citizens. It was a war between southern racists who thought black people were equal to cattle and norther racists who thought black people were equal to cattle. Why do you think it took another 100+ years for segregation to end.
It's a matter of historical fact that Lincoln made the Emancipation Proclamation primarily to prevent France/Britain from officially recognising the CSA as a legitimate nation and directly supporting it (them doing so would have effectively ended the norths chances for reunification and forced it to negotiate terms of secession, thus in turn ending Lincoln's chances of re-election).
One noteworthy fact that often gets overlooked is that it's highly likely this would already have happened at this point had Russia (the USA's main ally at this point in time) not sent their navy to help defend New York and San Francisco during the civil war.
Absolute bullshit. The South had absolutely no chance of winning during the war. They didn't have the numbers, the industry, the weapons to take on the north. Their whole strategy was somehow UK and France forget that they already abolished slavery and rush into the defence of the confederacy. Hint, outside of some crazies saying Britain and France thought about it, they didn't. Private firms in Britain and the US almost accidentally did something to harm relations but that was it. The powers in the UK were having none of the siding with slavers pov and France was busy in Mexico at the time.
The north was fighting with 2 hands and 1 leg self-tied behind their backs for the first few years because they hoped the confederacy would see sense and on their own return to the union. Especially since the south was already under blockade. The Mississippi was in full union hands (Louisianna fell early to the Union to the point it was part of the 1864 presidential elections. Same as Tennessee. If the Union entered the war all guns blazing then the war would have ended in less than a year due to the disparity between the north and south.
Neither am I. People who were willing to kill to own slaves, die to own slaves, and become traitors to their own country to own slaves are dragged off their pedestal and thrown in the river while people cheer.. Because this is the 21st century and we're done handwaving slavery with "but the North had racists".
Stop handwaving slavery. Your style went out of fashion 150 years ago. The Civil War is over, the slavers lost, get over it.
Here we go, hot takes about "lets not be too hasty with judging historical racists" from the country that brought you the Bengal Famine.
In a word: No. It was not an "economic war" any more than all wars are "economic wars"; people at the time understood it was about slavery, and the only reason it is in question now is because of a century long campaign of historical revisionism by American whites. This is the necessary equivalent of denazification; Reconstruction was ended far, far too soon.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Wrong, your forgetting it was the north who were fighting to conquer the other side, the south were simply fighting to be free of the north, they didn't need to actually beat them just reach a point where they other side no longer had the will to win (just like how Vietnam defeated the USA). And it very nearly happened, if Lincoln hadn't made the Emancipation Proclamation then France and the UK were going to recognise the CSA as a legitimate nation and begin trading with/supporting it (the UK were especially up for it as the elites were still annoyed with the USA). This would already have happened had Russia not sent its navy to protect New York/San Francisco, and if it had happened then Lincoln would have had no choice but to agree to terms of secession and kiss re-election goodbye.
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Yes, me calling slavers, racists, homophones and transphobes bad/evil people is handwaving >.>
Read Alexander H. Stephen's cornerstone speech, that I pasted above. He LITERALLY SAYS that the North wanted to abolish slavery because they thought it was immoral, and it was the position of the South that they were wrong because black people were inferior and only fit for slave labor, and that concept was the very foundation of the Confederacy's existence.
This isn't any sort of modern romanticism, it's literally in the founding principles of the Confederacy.
I feel we're getting distracted by one poster, hopefully in good faith, trying to make this a thread about how the South was justified to own humans as property. I'm going to suggest that's a thread worth doing on its own, stop responding myself (yeah I messed up) and return to topic. I ask people to join me.
Kim Jong Un's sister threatens military action against Seoul over declining relations
We've heard a lot about her recently, haven't we? Man, that Nobel Prize is getting further and further away. Leaving aside the obvious parallels to derailing attempts, the sister was pretty angry.
She then ordered the NK military on standby alert.Getting stronger day by day are the unanimous voices of all our people demanding for surely settling accounts with the riff-raff who dared hurt the absolute prestige of our Supreme Leader representing our country and its great dignity and flied rubbish to the inviolable territory of our side and with those who connived at such hooliganism, whatever may happen.
The judgment that we should force the betrayers and human scum to pay the dearest price for their crimes and the retaliatory action plans we have made on this basis have become a firm public opinion at home, not part of the work of the field in charge of the affairs with enemy. It is necessary to make them keenly feel what they have done and what inviolability they hurt amiss.
This could all be posturing, of course. People who want to be dictators, including dictators, posture a lot. Especially fat ones. But I can't say I remember hearing a lot of "prepare for invasion" talk during, say, the last 25 years or so. Incidentally, this is all over South Korea's leaflets being basically slid under the door.
The Secret Service on Saturday retracted its initial statement that no one in the agency used tear gas or pepper spray to forcibly clear peaceful protesters before President Trump's photo-op at the historic St. John’s Episcopal Church last week.
Hmm. That's interesting. They are trying to say it was a single SS agent who was being attacked who used pepper spray to defend himself. The US Park Police statement, however, has not been retracted.
An ethics watchdog group has contacted the FBI to look into the IG Trump fired for investigating Pompeo. The accused crime is, big surprise, obstructing justice.
As Michigan continues to wait on federal aid for those dam bursts/floods, NBC News points out that the US budget for fixing dams was about $10 million, and it's likely to cost about $20 billion. There are about 90,000 dams in the US, 15,000 are considered high hazard, and 3,000 of those don't have emergency plans with state/local officials in case of trouble. This sounds like something an Infrastructure Week could fix.
And Florida posts its highest-ever coronavirus cases. Again.
Trump still hasn't totally figured out how to drink water
Video is everywhere on my feed, showing Trump having a difficult time taking a drink of water especially with his right hand. Trump needs his left to lift and then tip the water, while his right arm barely supports the water.
Now Trumpkins you went batshit crazy over Hillary tripping, when it was nothing. Obviously something is wrong with Trump. Declining health?
Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!
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What the world has learned is that America is never more than one election away from losing its goddamned mindMe on Elite : Dangerous | My WoW charactersOriginally Posted by Howard Tayler
I have Myasthenia Gravis and have had that exact issue sometimes with not being able to lift a glass with just one hand. I'll even do what Trump did in this clip, I'll try to lift the glass and only manage to get it halfway and have to use the other hand to lift it the rest of the way. Myasthenia is something you can get at any age, I was six when I was diagnosed, but it's more common in men who are over 60 which means someone Trump's age.
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