Political and Social Problems and Solutions Facing the United States - Discuss

[Kallisto]

So in your classification, leftism is about reducing stratification regardless of its nature while right wingers seek to preserve/increase it? OK, I can agree with such view.

It would mean North Korea is a conservative country though

North Korea is an absolute theocratic monarchy posing as a Republic (Heredetory rulership from father to son with the founder being treated as a divine being by the state) . I'd think that makes it quite Conservative in many ways.

Hell it acts more like a Monarchy of old than the UK does.

[Gestopft]

two simple steps to have huge impact, a new and updated return of the fairness doctrine and revoke citizens united

1) while I like a new fairness doctrine in theory, I don’t think you get that toothpaste back in the tube. It would be far too hard to regulate that online

2) don’t stop at Citizens United. Undo McCutcheon v. FEC as well, and go back to Buckley v. Valeo too.

[Truthspeaker]

I’m willing to bet you’ve never been a project manager or had to coordinate a group of people before. Your optimism when it comes human cooperation, especially between political parties, is adorable.

No one mentioned any co-operation except you. Both parties are incentivized to cultivate special groups.

Btw No one cares that you are a sub-executive team leader of special paper clip management (or whatever), quit stealth bragging.

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Oh?

Put a poor Black man and a poor White man behind the wheels of a pair of nice cars and see which one gets pulled over by the police first.

Anecdotal, cherry-picked evidence. I'm sure some Trump supporter will chime in about how he can't get a job because of affirmative action or something. It is dumb trying to pick specific selective examples of differentiation between two groups whose experience of society across multiple interactions is crap.

If there were some major disconnect between poor white and poor black people then it would show up in an actual scientific study, and it doesn't. They need to work with each other more and for rich elites of whatever ethnicity less.

[Felya]

I'm sure some Trump supporter will chime in about how he can't get a job because of affirmative action or something.

I hope no Trump supporter makes that argument...

he can't get a job because of affirmative action or something.

Well, Trump supporter, can you explain how affirmative action is keeping them from work, or something?

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If there were some major disconnect between poor white and poor black people then it would show up in an actual scientific study, and it doesn't.

It’s the same racist disconnect... the thing that disconnects poor white people and poor black people, is that poor white people don’t swing from trees... The KKK isn’t a bunch of rich people...

[Healing Rain]

Just some random thoughts

-After high school graduation you can apply for UBI for 2 years so that you at least don't start out with nothing.

-Elections should be treated more like elections and focus more on things like integrity, Constitutional knowledge, and leadership.

-Every state becomes purple.

-Create an American History Month.

[Stormspark]

while I agree, with it still in place things will never get "fixed", and the pendulum will continue to swing back and forth to more extremes, bush - obama - trump. Until we go full rome.

Yeah I know...yes it SHOULD be repealed because it's blatantly unconstitutional, but the consitution does not matter and is not used anymore. It legalizes bribery and gives power to those with money, while keeping bribery illegal for "common" folk. And since they can outright buy laws and politicians legally with it in place, I just do not see any way to get it repealed, because those that are in charge because of it won't allow it.

[Truthspeaker]

It’s the same racist disconnect... the thing that disconnects poor white people and poor black people, is that poor white people don’t swing from trees...

What the fuck?

[Endus]

What the fuck?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...k-man-71238829

2 black men have been hanged in public, in two cities about 45 miles apart, in the last couple weeks. The most recent one was within a block of the courthouse. The official police stance is basically "nothing to see here, must be suicide, couldn't possibly be anything else."

Welcome to 2020. Not significantly improved over 1920. Nor over 1820.

[Elegiac]

Anecdotal, cherry-picked evidence. I'm sure some Trump supporter will chime in about how he can't get a job because of affirmative action or something.

Key difference is that the scenario I described happens on a regular basis, what you're trying to 'both sides' with is a right-wing myth just like the Welfare Queen.

If there were some major disconnect between poor white and poor black people then it would show up in an actual scientific study, and it doesn't. They need to work with each other more and for rich elites of whatever ethnicity less.

You mean aside from all the data linked in the BLM protests thread that shows exactly that and continues to explain why white progressives can't make inroads with Black voters? :>

[downnola]

No one mentioned any co-operation except you. Both parties are incentivized to cultivate special groups.

Yes, that's what politics is by definition. Your insight is amazing, burner account #3,442.

[unfilteredJW]

You implied that it wasn't and are now backtracking.

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There is no scientific study that shows a measurable quantifiable difference in the lives of poor blacks and whites. If you could produce one you would have already done so. You have nothing but anecdotes and cherry-picked data, drop it before you look even more disingenuous.

That’s some serious glass house stone throwing there.

[Egomaniac]

A thread to discuss the overall good and bad politics and policies of the United States and ideas for how to solve them. Are there insurmountable problems? What's the timeline for major social change given the current political environment? How do we overcome incommunicable social divides?


*Please do NOT discuss Trump or the General Election in this thread. Those conversations can be redirected to the hyperlinks I've embedded.

This thread is too general. Everything discussed could be it's own thread.

[Zinstorm]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...k-man-71238829

2 black men have been hanged in public, in two cities about 45 miles apart, in the last couple weeks. The most recent one was within a block of the courthouse. The official police stance is basically "nothing to see here, must be suicide, couldn't possibly be anything else."

Welcome to 2020. Not significantly improved over 1920. Nor over 1820.

Anyone else getting the vibe that this is push back in response to the blm movement gaining so much traction globally? I don't know how often people get hanged in public like this... but it seems like this was done to make a statement (and that statement says nothing good. ).

[Elegiac]

Anyone else getting the vibe that this is push back in response to the blm movement gaining so much traction globally? I don't know how often people get hanged in public like this... but it seems like this was done to make a statement (and that statement says nothing good. ).

Yeah, we all know what this is. There was even a KKK rally recently that was - surprise - unmolested by police.

[downnola]

You implied that it wasn't and are now backtracking.

No, I didn't. I responded to your claim that both Democrats and Republicans parties work in tandem to prop up the "status quo" by keeping the proles fighting amongst themselves so they're ignorant to their main goals. That's a load of oversimplified, conspiratorial trash and is one step away from claiming the (((bankers))) are the cause.

The only reason Democrats are seen as promoting identity politics by morons like you is because the Republican party has spent the last 60 years excluding non-whites from their platforms and pushing white identity politics. This is all done despite the untapped conservative politics of immigrants and other demographics in the south and will ultimately be their downfall.

Political parties cultivate "special interest" groups because that what politics is by definition. I know it sounds smart to claim that there are more nefarious reasons for this, but the simple answer is usually closer to correct than than the populist hot take.

[Felya]

Translation "I do not know how to google".

You pretty much asked him if he can find a study that unicorns don’t exist. Completely ignoring that you are claiming that they do...

Google... “Racism is a refuge for the ignorant”...

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Anyone else getting the vibe that this is push back in response to the blm movement gaining so much traction globally? I don't know how often people get hanged in public like this... but it seems like this was done to make a statement (and that statement says nothing good. ).

Considering the act is specifically meant to send a message, it very much is. A lynching acts the same way crucifixions did... it is a message to display that the crime of being black, will not be tolerated.

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It is too early to respond to that story till we have more idea what actually happened. God willing it is just a freakish coincidence or many people on both sides will die.

Why would many people on both sides die? What fucking coincidence, leads to a lynching?

[Stormspark]

You pretty much asked him if he can find a study that unicorns don’t exist. Completely ignoring that you are claiming that they do...

Google... “Racism is a refuge for the ignorant”...

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Considering the act is specifically meant to send a message, it very much is. A lynching acts the same way crucifixions did... it is a message to display that the crime of being black, will not be tolerated.

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Why would many people on both sides die? What fucking coincidence, leads to a lynching?

I think they are actually stupid enough to believe, that people will buy their excuse of "oh that black guy hanging from a light pole, he decided to commit suicide by hanging himself in a public place, it's certainly not a lynching that's related to the rapant racism going on, nothing to see here".

[PosPosPos]

I think they are actually stupid enough to believe, that people will buy their excuse of "oh that black guy hanging from a light pole, he decided to commit suicide by hanging himself in a public place, it's certainly not a lynching that's related to the rapant racism going on, nothing to see here".

Their supporters in the Republican fascists and white supremacists will, though, and that's more than enough.

[silveth]

Their supporters in the Republican fascists and white supremacists will, though, and that's more than enough.

Being a independent and moderate, I still find those statement funny. The right has become the side of the smaller government, free speech, and gun rights. The 3 things that fascists would remove.

The left has become the side of remove free speech unless you agree with us, remove gun rights, and government control. Hmm, that sounds a lot like the fascist playbook.
That is not even mentioning the left pushing "safe spaces" which seem to most people I know the be segregation 2.0. It was wrong before and I believe wrong now.

Which party is on the right and which is on the left?

[Lenonis]

Being a independent and moderate

And yet you post a bunch of right wing talking points.