9.0 General Discussion

[formerShandalay]

What if Elunes intervention caused the arbiter to fail?
Haven't read a great deal of alpha but the Arbiter seems quite robotic. Maybe it was in the process of assigning Ysera an afterlife and Elunes intervention interrupted its programming so to speak.

On a side note it would of been cool to send each of the new 4 horseman to a zone. Would of made for some interesting interactions in maldraxus

From the quests it seems that Ysera didn't go to the Arbiter at all, but Elune took her straight to Ardenweald, before the drought began.

But I did think about this specifically breaking 'the machine', maybe because one of the higher beings from outside the mortal realm broke their own rules by interfering directly and that made the Arbiter question the whole thing, which broke it.

[DemonDays]

No, it's to set her up once again as a villain to kill and to exhibit the powers of the Jailer being stronger than the Lich King, even if hardcore fans don't like that. The intent wasn't to spite customers or hate them.

Of course the intent isn't to "spite customers". There are clearly people on the writing team in love with Sylvanas. As has already been proven countless times but re-posting it will get me a vacation for "witch hunts".

[Nagawithlegs]

Of course the intent isn't to "spite customers". There are clearly people on the writing team in love with Sylvanas. As has already been proven countless times but re-posting it will get me a vacation for "witch hunts".

What happens to this narrative when she doesn't appear again after this expansion?

They loved her so much they erased her?

[DemonDays]

gonna need that reveal stream this week im dying over here, theres at most 50 people online on alpha and this thread is basically dead aswell, they need to announce beta and make soulbinds playable already or are they gonna hide them as long as they can and just keep calling them their "tuning nobs for covenants" while not showing them and then theyre gonna be garbage and change nothing

So basically exactly like Azerite?

[Dreen]

So basically exactly like Azerite?

well exactly my concern, they are beeing praised for listening to feedback yet the major defense theyve had for covenant is that they'll fix their strength with the soulbinds that come with them, yet we're months into alpha and theyre nowhere to be seen, at this point it feels like theyre gonna bring them in late and its gonna be another "oh damn guys to late in cycle to fix we'll do it in 9.1 "

[Nagawithlegs]

well exactly my concern, they are beeing praised for listening to feedback yet the major defense theyve had for covenant is that they'll fix their strength with the soulbinds that come with them, yet we're months into alpha and theyre nowhere to be seen, at this point it feels like theyre gonna bring them in late and its gonna be another "oh damn guys to late in cycle to fix we'll do it in 9.1 "

So basically exactly like Azerite?

Hard to do soulbinds when the covenant abilities weren't all in. Now that they're all in as of a few weeks ago there's not much excuse, but they may have had a dev leader say they need to make sure all the zones are in first.

[plz delete account]

9.0 gen discussion literally has become the wow equivalent of software bug fixing. "which edge case borked argiter"

[DemonDays]

9.0 gen discussion literally has become the wow equivalent of software bug fixing. "which edge case borked argiter"

NEXT BILD WEN?

Sorry for discussing the things that actually matter in Shadowlands.

[Dreen]

Hard to do soulbinds when the covenant abilities weren't all in. Now that they're all in as of a few weeks ago there's not much excuse, but they may have had a dev leader say they need to make sure all the zones are in first.

well the soulbinds have little to nothing to do with covenant abilities, its moreso the fact that theres no full leveling experience and im pretty sure soulbinds only unluck once youve reached 60 and chose your covenant since theyre bound to that system, so when youre saying they were waiting for all zones to be released ur probably right, but moreso theyre waiting to open lvl 60 content which probably opens up once they roll alpha into beta(hopefully announced in the reveal stream where they simultanously start explaining more about soul binds and lvl 60 content, legendaries AND my biggest hope beeing m+ changes(my god its been the same system for 2 expansions and one of their most played content features add some flavor to it besides 1 new season affix, especially now with fixed loot theres even less reason to grind for warforges equaling even less replayability))

[DemonDays]

Hard to do soulbinds when the covenant abilities weren't all in. Now that they're all in as of a few weeks ago there's not much excuse, but they may have had a dev leader say they need to make sure all the zones are in first.

Yeah. It's kinda hard to provide feedback when Blizzard keeps telling us "plz wait til you have the whole picture, plz guys plz".

Which is what they did for the entirety of BfA Beta. "lol we know class design is garbage plz wait for azerite haha whoops".


If the slab you put down for a house is cracked and has obvious flaws. (Covenants)

Why would you wait until the roof is on to provide this feedback to the builder. Since the house is structurally not sound. (Soulbinds/Legendaries)

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well exactly my concern, they are beeing praised for listening to feedback yet the major defense theyve had for covenant is that they'll fix their strength with the soulbinds that come with them, yet we're months into alpha and theyre nowhere to be seen, at this point it feels like theyre gonna bring them in late and its gonna be another "oh damn guys to late in cycle to fix we'll do it in 9.1 "

Exactly. Azerite was given to us "in whole" like 3-4 weeks before launch.

They're being praised all over the shop for doing basically nothing.

Almost all specs will function exactly the same way they did in BfA without Azerite. Almost no talents have been changed, the same ones are overpowered. All rotations are basically the same.

Adding a few flavour abilities back in "THE GREAT UN-PRUNING" (LOL) did nothing.

[tristannarutofan]

Yeah. It's kinda hard to provide feedback when Blizzard keeps telling us "plz wait til you have the whole picture, plz guys plz".

Which is what they did for the entirety of BfA Beta. "lol we know class design is garbage plz wait for azerite haha whoops".


If the slab you put down for a house is cracked and has obvious flaws. (Covenants)

Why would you wait until the roof is on to provide this feedback to the builder. Since the house is structurally not sound. (Soulbinds/Legendaries)

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Exactly. Azerite was given to us "in whole" like 3-4 weeks before launch.

They're being praised all over the shop for doing basically nothing.

Almost all specs will function exactly the same way they did in BfA without Azerite. Almost no talents have been changed, the same ones are overpowered. All rotations are basically the same.

Adding a few flavour abilities back in "THE GREAT UN-PRUNING" (LOL) did nothing.

Well i wouldnt call making a whole ass expansion doing nothing.

Yall arent discussing the system anymore jusy jerking each other off insulting the devs

[Valysar]

They've added some generic location it seems


(or maybe it's the dungeon Spires of Ascension, anyway, it's new and pretty cool)

[Nagawithlegs]

Yeah. It's kinda hard to provide feedback when Blizzard keeps telling us "plz wait til you have the whole picture, plz guys plz".

Which is what they did for the entirety of BfA Beta. "lol we know class design is garbage plz wait for azerite haha whoops".

If the slab you put down for a house is cracked and has obvious flaws. (Covenants)

Why would you wait until the roof is on to provide this feedback to the builder. Since the house is structurally not sound. (Soulbinds/Legendaries)

Said absolutely nothing about providing feedback or not providing feedback, just that they would not and will not implement soulbinds until all the covenant abilities are put in the game. People are giving feedback and they are listening, they just haven't acted on it yet likely because they want to try and make the abilities balanced (despite people insisting they can't).

[plz delete account]

NEXT BILD WEN?

Sorry for discussing the things that actually matter in Shadowlands.

...what?
When did I say anything of the sort?

[DemonDays]

Said absolutely nothing about providing feedback or not providing feedback, just that they would not and will not implement soulbinds until all the covenant abilities are put in the game. People are giving feedback and they are listening, they just haven't acted on it yet likely because they want to try and make the abilities balanced (despite people insisting they can't).

Talents.
Legiondaries.
Artifacts.
Azerite.
Essences.
Corruption.


Which of these systems are/were balanced? That's right, none.

Covenants are 4 abilities across 36 specs. They're literally impossible to balance and Blizzard will fail to do.

[Jamie081]

That's all well and good but you didn't really discuss BFA storytelling and storylines at all in that post besides "they were shit and rushed and disconnected" without going into why that is. If you want to have an actual discussion about them let me know.

Your posts were the same surface-level critiques, calling Legion elementary-school writing. Your lack of self awareness astounding but honestly not surprising. I'm not going to waste my time discussing anything with you because you can't even discuss allied races without throwing a massive tantrum lmfao.

[Sharby]

Talents.
Legiondaries.
Artifacts.
Azerite.
Essences.
Corruption.


Which of these systems are/were balanced? That's right, none.

Covenants are 4 abilities across 36 specs. They're literally impossible to balance and Blizzard will fail to do.

Its also worth noting that these were not just unbalanced, as nothing ever truly is, but were so unbalanced to the point of warping the game in a negative way.

[Jamie081]

Its also worth noting that these were not just unbalanced, as nothing ever truly is, but were so unbalanced to the point of warping the game in a negative way.

Also worth noting that 3 out of the 6 mentioned were featured in 1 expansion. It's crazy to think that Blizzard thought it was a great idea to introduce 3 entire systems just to bulk up the awful state of classes in BFA.

[Jastall]

Likely Revendreth then, since at his core he was misguided, so he might still redeem himself in the Arbiter's eyes. After that he would probably go to Maldraxxus, the place where "might makes right", inhabited by the most warlike souls.

Why you go anywhere seems unclear to me. OK, Arthas went to the Maw because he was an undead conqueror who killed untold masses and wanted to Scourge the world, fair enough (paying no heed to his retconned motive to unite the world through undeath). Sylvanas was also ruthless but didn't mind control her servants nor had she really begun a true killing spree when she died in Wrath, still went to the Maw. Kael'thas was driven by the needs of his people ever deeper into madness until he sided with the very demons that want to kill literally all the things, and goes to Revendreth to be redeemed through pain. Ok, maybe the Arbiter judged him misguided.

But Lady Vashj successively served an egomaniac monarch who willingly sided with an Old God and had designs of dominion over all, and then Illidan who moonlighted as a half insane tyrant and carried out his orders to, far as we know, drain the water from Zangarmarsh either for the sheer lulz of it or to make said tyrant another Well of Eternity. She gets to go to Maldraxxus, which she ends up liking a lot.

I dunno, so far the fates of potential wrongdoers seem a bit arbitrary to me.

[Sharby]

Also worth noting that 3 out of the 6 mentioned were featured in 1 expansion. It's crazy to think that Blizzard thought it was a great idea to introduce 3 entire systems just to bulk up the awful state of classes in BFA.

Tbh its why I'm kinda wary about Shadowlands atm.



It took them years to get the classes to a playable state, but without the band-aids I'm worried things will be like garbage again, even more-so since we're not getting any sweeping class changes.


All the features are cool and all but if class design is subpar it won't matter.