Do you hear the voices too?
That's my point that humanity have always been in constant wars with pretty much no periods of time with the so called world peace as in no conflicts or wars anywhere.
Only this time there is thousands of nukes around and only a matter of time before a nuclear war breaks out.
Do you hear the voices too?
When Bill Clinton was pres, they had a moment when it was thought a nuke strike was imminent and he ordered everyone out of both countries. (Re. Kargill conflict...been refreshing my history)
Before Pandemic, India borrowed tons of money and hoped that US moves business from China to India.
After Pandemic, India has no money to pay back the loan.
It is a lot like the German before WW2.
Well it is more complicated then who was in whose territory. Because they both claim the same territory. India claims the "Chinese Side" is about 50 miles North of where China claims it is. So they were both in the part of land that both claim, that much is pretty clear.
This is the sort of major escalation that I really doubt was planned in advance by either side, and exactly the sort of thing that can happen when both sides are puffing up and pushing each other. The US Military calls this the "Strategic Corporal" theory. Basically the concept is that heads of state can determine overarching policy, but one corporal (The lowest rank of leader in the military) can fuck it all up and dramatic change the situation for better or worse due to his immediate decisions in the crisis area. Even relatively minor decisions can have world spanning consequences in the wrong place, and we see examples of this constantly.
We had a US Navy small craft that was supposed to be patrolling along the Iranian border in the Persian gulf fuck up, cross the line, and get captured. Three hours after a random naval petty officer makes a navigational mistake, it is President Obama's problem, and he has to personally get involved to try to unfuck the mess. Just this year, a jumpy Iranian anti-Aircraft missile tech thought he saw a US Bomber climbing up from an attack run over Tehran. An airliner exploded a few seconds later, a lot of people died, and the government of Iran had massive egg on their face instead of the show of strength they were planning that night.
My guess is that this went down similar. China sent a large group into contested territory to make a statement. India sent another group in to try to intimidate them and drive them off. The soldiers were all amped up and spoiling for a fight, and neither commander on the ground wanted to be the bitch that backed down first. Then someone got laid out with a metal pipe, and it was on from there. Once somebody got decked, there really isn't a lot of national strategy being considered at that point. A whole bunch of guys started tearing into each other with fists, clubs, crowbars, whatever, and a lot of people got serious messed up/killed. Because the area is so remote, and because mass casualty evacuation is very hard even in good circumstances, let alone very remote areas like this, a lot more people died because they couldn't get immediate medical help.
This is why border tensions are always inherently risky. Modi and Ji can be playing their little games, but they aren't actually on the ground. The more tension there is, the greater chance something goes horribly wrong. Unfortunately, at least 20 people died, plus however many China lost. Fortunately, it looks like the two nations want to deescalate (Which makes sense). Unfortunately, it is 2020, and the way this year is going, we might get a nuclear winter to go with our economic collapse, pandemic, and racial violence. I mean that REALLY shouldn't happen, but 2020 just hasn't been our year.
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Well throughout history, leading causes of death for soldiers include:
"This invisible line in the dirt should be over there"
"My Imaginary Friend is better then yours"
"This spoiled rich kid should be king, not his cousin"
"Cows 'r better then farmers, fight me!"
"I dunno, but my friends are all fighting, so lets do this"
Really, most wars break down to something incredibly stupid at the end of the day.
Holy sh..t...Look at half of the comments. Straight out of CCP book.
Then again, this is wow forum. Chinese infestation is obvious. Pity, most of the rats likely live in US and steal from us.
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Exhibit A!
Chinese detected!
Tell us more about your glorious third rate shi..t hole nation considering entire world hates your kind now, no matter how we see it.
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Reuters reports both sides are willing to back down.
Backing down does not mean anyone gives up any territorial claims, that is just not going to happen. Backing down means both side probably agree to withdraw a certain distance, lower total troop numbers in the area, and so forth. Not change the status quo, just calm things down so people don't get beaten to death.
That way both sides get to claim they forced the other to withdraw, and nobody has to start shooting. Not exactly win-win, but just an inclusive return to the last 50 years of throwing rocks at each other sometimes.
I have no doubt India started this shit, and I'm an Indian expat.
India under Modi has become increasingly nationalist and cult-like under Modi. He's essentially got the Hindu population (which is like 90% of India) basically viewing him as a religious leader, and the BJP has quickly become an ethno-nationalist right wing party. When Modi was first elected, he was merely a right-of-center economist who capitalized over long-seeded corruption in the National Congress party, the leftwing democratic almost-socialist party that pulled India out of 3rd world status for the first 50 years of its existence.
Angry at India over an arms deal is not the same thing as no longer allies. Yes, the US was upset that India was buying Russian arms (in India's defense, Russian equipment is a much better fit for their military then overly complex western stuff), but that doesn't mean we aren't still aligned with them politically and strategically. Nuance is still a thing, and the S400 was not a dealbreaker for the US-India relationship.
The US is completely incapable of arbitration between the two sides because it is not remotely impartial. It is on India's side, with no real reservations about it. You can argue that might not be the correct position, but it is the position of the US government regardless.
Fortunately for everyone, war between the two is basically a total nightmare scenario for everyone involved. Perhaps the only nation that would like to see it happen is Pakistan, and I am not even sure they would. Nobody has a clear cut advantage here, China probably pulls ahead in a long war, but has no real short term advantages. Both China and India are incredibly scary in potential, but quite lacking in current military readiness. If a conflict did occur, it would be critical to keep it small scale and local, if it spills over into a naval and air war, the economic effects on the planet are beyond disastrous.