Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

So apparently the Trump admins attempt to remove DACA was so inept it got shot down in the SCOTUS. I guess there is some upside to them being utterly incompetent.

Link.

I love that he's having a shitty time in court the past week.

[Thekri]

Link.

I love that he's having a shitty time in court the past week.

Well Skroe isn't here to crow I told you so, but basically what is happening this week is exactly what people have been saying Roberts would do for a long time now. 4 Liberals + Roberts is a voting block in the Supreme Court that decides cases. It isn't the majority that liberals want, because Roberts remains a conservative, but it will do for now.

Basically (And I am too lazy to look up Skroe's posts on the matter, but I remember him going on about this at length), Roberts fears being a rubber stamp to any administration. He cannot, and will not, allow the Supreme Court to be subject to executive fiat. He is going to continue to give the Trump administration a black eye, because nobody else in government is capable of doing so right now, and someone has to be the last remaining check to power.

I highly doubt Roberts actually agrees with the position he just endorsed. But he disagrees more with a situation where Trump and Barr can do whatever they want. If Trump gets to replace Ginsberg, there is nothing he can do about it. At 6-3 conservative majority he might as well vote conservative again, because the balance is gone no matter which way he goes. Roberts is also not interested in exploring the possibility of revamping the nature of the Supreme court, which is absolutely a possibility if the American public loses faith in its impartiality.

[Poopymonster]

He didn't stop tweeting there, though!



"This is all about me and how mean people are to me."

"We need more Justices"...

This I can get behind. Biden expands it by 2? Barrack and Hillary nominated.
That 10 hours of reeee would be the soundtrack to the confirmation hearings

[Edge-]

Clips from the Bolton interview are now starting to circulate and, to cut a long walrus short...

I'm bettin he's patting himself on the back and expecting cheers and adulation for his bravery, but holy fucking shit this just makes me hate him oh so much more. He's no better than Trump, and quite possibly worse than Trump because unlike Trump, he's not completely fucking retarded.

[Thekri]

If a conservative majority SCOTUS rules against you it’s hard to cry about partisanship, but people are already calling CJ Roberts names because he’s not ruling against the law for their pet causes.

I find it hilarious that he always default to "Losing the 2nd. Amendment".
1) Why is there a period after 2nd?
2) Is he seriously suggesting that the Supreme Court is going to remove constitutional amendment? Like what exactly is going to happen here?

[Benggaul]

I highly doubt Roberts actually agrees with the position he just endorsed. But he disagrees more with a situation where Trump and Barr can do whatever they want. If Trump gets to replace Ginsberg, there is nothing he can do about it. At 6-3 conservative majority he might as well vote conservative again, because the balance is gone no matter which way he goes. Roberts is also not interested in exploring the possibility of revamping the nature of the Supreme court, which is absolutely a possibility if the American public loses faith in its impartiality.

Absolutely not. In fact I think his dissent was worded to imply that the reason he's voting against isn't because he doesn't agree with getting rid of it but rather because Trump's team didn't argue well enough for him to side with them.

I find it hilarious that he always default to "Losing the 2nd. Amendment".
1) Why is there a period after 2nd?
2) Is he seriously suggesting that the Supreme Court is going to remove constitutional amendment? Like what exactly is going to happen here?

There aren't even, to my knowledge, many on the left seriously taking a shot at it (Beto's ridiculous outburst notwithstanding). It's purely a dog whistle for his base.

[Edge-]

but rather because Trump's team didn't argue well enough for him to side with them.

It's astounding how many court cases Trump has lost for literally this reason. Part of me feels like given the bullshit they're being asked to do and lacking any real leadership, the poor career lawyers are sandbagging this shit and any political appointees are too stupid and unqualified to know this or address it.

[Thekri]

Absolutely not. In fact I think his dissent was worded to imply that the reason he's voting against isn't because he doesn't agree with getting rid of it but rather because Trump's team didn't argue well enough for him to side with them.

I actually agree with this position. I feel like DACA was a massive overreach of executive authority by Obama, and should absolutely be overturned. HOWEVER, Obama only did it in the first place because Congress was completely incompetent at providing a decent solution for several million people who are absolutely Americans in everything but law. What needs to happen is for congress to get off their ass, do their damn job as a legislative branch, and pass a law that protects these people.

Until they do, DACA is the dubiously legal mechanism to protect them, and it should stay in place until Congress fixes the problem on their own. Which they should have done 5 or more years ago. And if creating DACA was overreach, so is equally arbitrarily ending it.

There aren't even, to my knowledge, many on the left seriously taking a shot at it (Beto's ridiculous outburst notwithstanding). It's purely a dog whistle for his base.

I distinctly remember that Obama was going to take away the Second Amendment, so I just assumed it was the Presidents job. It is a shame that Trump seems to be a much weaker President then Obama, because Obama could apparently just do ridiculous stuff like that, and Trump can't get anything done, so he has to cry on twitter. /s

[Jotaux]

It's astounding how many court cases Trump has lost for literally this reason. Part of me feels like given the bullshit they're being asked to do and lacking any real leadership, the poor career lawyers are sandbagging this shit and any political appointees are too stupid and unqualified to know this or address it.

I think its more Trump is a nightmare of a client. You can come up with a sound argument and then next thing you know he's on twitter undermining your argument or incriminating himself. What kind of lawyer wants to put up with that?

[Thekri]

I think its more Trump is a nightmare of a client. You can come up with a sound argument and then next thing you know he's on twitter undermining your argument or incriminating himself. What kind of lawyer wants to put up with that?

And he is hilariously easy for the opposing counsel to manipulate. I can just imagine a Trump murder trial...

Prosecutor: Honestly I don't think he did it, his hands are to small to hold the knife.
Defense Counsel: *Nice, this is going to be easy*
Trump Twitter: "Loser Prosecutor claims my hands are to small to stab people, I stab people all the time! I am the bestiest stabber ever! As I was stabbing the guy, he told me it was the largest hands he has ever been stabbed by!"

[Benggaul]

I actually agree with this position. I feel like DACA was a massive overreach of executive authority by Obama, and should absolutely be overturned. HOWEVER, Obama only did it in the first place because Congress was completely incompetent at providing a decent solution for several million people who are absolutely Americans in everything but law. What needs to happen is for congress to get off their ass, do their damn job as a legislative branch, and pass a law that protects these people.

Until they do, DACA is the dubiously legal mechanism to protect them, and it should stay in place until Congress fixes the problem on their own. Which they should have done 5 or more years ago. And if creating DACA was overreach, so is equally arbitrarily ending it.

Oh I wasn't saying that he was necessarily wrong in his reasoning--just agreeing with you that he doesn't really believe in the position. The debate for this sort of thing can't really be held until there's an alternative presented rather than ripping out what's there, as you say, much like with "Obamacare".

I distinctly remember that Obama was going to take away the Second Amendment, so I just assumed it was the Presidents job. It is a shame that Trump seems to be a much weaker President then Obama, because Obama could apparently just do ridiculous stuff like that, and Trump can't get anything done, so he has to cry on twitter. /s

I know you have the /s, but just in case someone out there isn't very observant:

Obama announces gun control plans: ‘I believe in the Second Amendment’

Obama emphasized that he was not setting the country down a path of taking away guns from the populace, pointing to existing restrictions on other Constitutional guarantees — including the illegality of yelling “fire” in a crowded theater affecting the right to freedom of speech.

[pathora44]

I think its more Trump is a nightmare of a client. You can come up with a sound argument and then next thing you know he's on twitter undermining your argument or incriminating himself. What kind of lawyer wants to put up with that?

Not just lawyers Trump has dozens upon dozens of positions from major department heads to Ambassador positions that are either filled by temporary department heads to not filled at all because he can't find anyone who wants to take the position. That is how toxic this cabinet is Trump can't find anyone who is qualified or the people he wants they won't put before the Senate because even they would say no to them.

[Rasulis]

I actually agree with this position. I feel like DACA was a massive overreach of executive authority by Obama, and should absolutely be overturned. HOWEVER, Obama only did it in the first place because Congress was completely incompetent at providing a decent solution for several million people who are absolutely Americans in everything but law. What needs to happen is for congress to get off their ass, do their damn job as a legislative branch, and pass a law that protects these people.

Until they do, DACA is the dubiously legal mechanism to protect them, and it should stay in place until Congress fixes the problem on their own. Which they should have done 5 or more years ago. And if creating DACA was overreach, so is equally arbitrarily ending it.

I distinctly remember that Obama was going to take away the Second Amendment, so I just assumed it was the Presidents job. It is a shame that Trump seems to be a much weaker President then Obama, because Obama could apparently just do ridiculous stuff like that, and Trump can't get anything done, so he has to cry on twitter. /s

More like 20. The Dream Act was first proposed in 2001.

[Thekri]

Trump's latest twitter rant also hilariously undercuts one of the Primary arguments Trump apologists make about reelecting him. "Well, we don't like him either, but he appoints good judges". Because according to Trump, he doesn't, and the supreme court still hates him. Gorsuch voted to protect Trans rights (Still not exactly sure why that is a partisan issue).

But they don't seem to recognize that in his political appointees either. Trump appointing people that later spit in his face somehow doesn't mean that Trump is bad at picking people.

[Thekri]

And now Matt Gaetz is claiming this House page from 2016 is his adopted son.

https://www.facebook.com/Representat...6276694421689/

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https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status...44503656730631

A 38 year old single man "adopted" a ~20 year old? That seems... interesting.

[Benggaul]

And now Matt Gaetz is claiming this House page from 2016 is his adopted son.

https://www.facebook.com/Representat...6276694421689/

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https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status...44503656730631

Meh, he could have adopted him then. I need more information on this one.

Although the fact he's using his adopted (real or not) son as a crutch is already stupid enough.

[Bdatik]

And now Matt Gaetz is claiming this House page from 2016 is his adopted son.

https://www.facebook.com/Representat...6276694421689/

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https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status...44503656730631

So many comments on how it's ok to come out and that he can't be fired for it anymore.

[cubby]

And hits keep on coming:

Washington (CNN)The Supreme Court on Thursday blocked the Trump administration's attempt to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, an Obama-era program that protects hundreds of thousands of immigrants brought to the US as children from deportation.

The 5-4 ruling was written by Chief Justice John Roberts and joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan, Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor.
In penning the opinion, Roberts once again sided with the liberals on the bench in a momentous dispute that will infuriate judicial conservatives who are still bitter that he once provided the deciding vote to uphold Obamacare.
The opinion is the second time in a week when the Supreme Court -- bolstered with two of President Donald Trump's nominees -- has ruled against the Trump administration. Monday, the court said LGBTQ Americans are protected under the Civil Rights Act.

The ruling emphasizes that the administration failed to provide an adequate reason to justify ending the DACA program.

"We do not decide whether DACA or its rescission are sound policies," Roberts wrote in the majority opinion. "'The wisdom' of those decisions 'is none of our concern.' We address only whether the agency complied with the procedural requirement that it provide a reasoned explanation for its action."[/quote]

Supreme Court blocks Trump from ending DACA[/QUOTE]

In his majority opinion, Roberts (praised be) called the decision to terminate the program an “arbitrary” and “capricious” violation of the law. Those two phrases are terms of art, and in using those Roberts and the majority opinion are calling Trump to the table for his run on reversing all things Obama. Obviously, that's not what the opinion said, but it's certainly a heads up of what Trump can expect in the future.

[Edge-]

I just wonder why he’s been hiding their relationship all these years. Certainly sounds suspect.

Well, Florida adoption records are sealed so we'll have to take Gaetz word on this.

I don't believe Gaetz until he provides receipts.

[Thekri]

I just wonder why he’s been hiding their relationship all these years. Certainly sounds suspect.

Yeah, the feels on this don't seem right at all. The kid apparently came to Capital Hill as a page in 2016, and is now living with an unmarried Congressman? Gaetz didn't say he adopted him, and even if he did that would be weird as shit for a kid that old. Typically 20 year olds are not adopted, because why the hell would you?

Gay doesn't bother me. Grooming does. Page to Congressman is not an equal relationship, nothing about this seems ok.

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Unrelated, apparently Trump is launching a new episode of the ongoing witch hunt in the White House. This time he wants to know on who snitched about his bunker inspection.

Someone needs to man up and tell him it was Stephen Miller. It probably wasn't, but it would be funny to watch him get escorted off the grounds.