The Last of Us Part II

[niztheundead87]

That's not a source.

https://twitter.com/_Vs_The_World/st...05178100465665

he said clearly he has been influenced by her and her videos .

go now tell me how my source is either fake or you dont like it.

but before that let this sink in, games that were influenced by her
mass effect andromeda , athem and last of us 2 , all of them a mess

[everydaygamer]

I don't mind simple revenge storyline and I didn't mind the way Joel met his end, (I am a fan of dark and deaths storyline really) but the main reason why I give story this score totally because of how Joel acted out of character and stupid by giving his real name to total strangers, I mean what the hell happen to the super paranoid careful Joel of the first game where he doesn't trust one not even young Ellie when Tess first brought her?

1. Why would he give a fake name? He has never done this before, there is zero precedent for it so why would you expect him to do something like that when he had no problem giving people he just met his name in the first game.

2. He had no reason to be suspicious of Abby and her group considering the desperate situation they were in escaping the horde. Even then let's say he was suspicious what exactly could he do? They had no other plan of escape so trusting Abby was their only option.

3. Even if for some bizarre reason he did give a fake name Abby already knew who he was. Yeah, the rest of the group didn't know until he told them his name but it didn't matter because Abby already knew without him telling her first.

[niztheundead87]

You can’t even point out why it’s a mess or give a single example of them but Butchering the story to pander. Your opinion doesn’t seem worth much when you can’t even explain why you hold it.

how dare i have an opinion right?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

https://twitter.com/_Vs_The_World/st...05178100465665

he said clearly he has been influenced by her and her videos .

go now tell me how my source is either fake or you dont like it.

but before that let this sink in, games that were influenced by her
mass effect andromeda , athem and last of us 2 , all of them a mess

Yet you can’t give any examples how they butchered the story/made the game a mess to pander. It’s almost like you don’t have any actual point beyond bitching.

[Velshin]

1. Why would he give a fake name? He has never done this before, there is zero precedent for it so why would you expect him to do something like that when he had no problem giving people he just met his name in the first game.

2. He had no reason to be suspicious of Abby and her group considering the desperate situation they were in escaping the horde. Even then let's say he was suspicious what exactly could he do? They had no other plan of escape so trusting Abby was their only option.

3. Even if for some bizarre reason he did give a fake name Abby already knew who he was. Yeah, the rest of the group didn't know until he told them his name but it didn't matter because Abby already knew without him telling her first.

Because she heard Tommy calling him with his name when they were fighting the infected while saving her. I can't remember the first game but I do remember some parts in the first game Joel was lecturing Ellie not to trust anyone and use different names or something like that (been long time since I played the first game so I can't remember well tbh). My point is he should be more careful than that specially with strangers. He lived on that world for over 20+ years so he has massive experience on how this post apocalypse world works. And he was with different organizations and gangs way long before even knowing Ellie. That experience alone could make Joel smell that something is fishy and not drop his guard like that really.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

how dare i have an opinion right?

You don’t have an opinion though if you did it would be easy to give examples of them butchering the story to pander instead all you have is childish screaming that some one you don’t like was referenced by the devs.

[Zenfoldor]

Hey, how are you guys redacting spoilers. The sections that are darkened until you click them over spoilers, I assume is an html tag. I'd like to discuss my journey with the game so far, but I'd like to include spoilers.

I love the game so far. I am not far in. I've read all the spoilers. I think spoilers improve content for me personally. I'd like to point to this article about that, not as proof, but just to explain my thinking:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.e...y-stories-more

Also, just because I'm enjoying it now, doesn't mean I will continue to enjoy it. However, everything I've seen so far has been great.

[Tech614]

Because she heard Tommy calling him with his name when they were fighting the infected while saving her. I can't remember the first game but I do remember some parts in the first game Joel was lecturing Ellie not to trust anyone and use different names or something like that (been long time since I played the first game so I can't remember well tbh). My point is he should be more careful than that specially with strangers.

But once again... This is not Joel from TLOU1. This is Joel after 4 years of being settled down and living in a mostly sheltered community with mostly people trying to live an honest life.

It didn't happen a week after the first game when it would be reasonable to think Joel was still paranoid. This is after years of being safe and trying to live an honest life instead of the shit he was doing before.

[niztheundead87]

Yet you can’t give any examples how they butchered the story/made the game a mess to pander. It’s almost like you don’t have any actual point beyond bitching.

the fact you get to play with a character youhate is enough to see that its mess .
now come off it with the add hominem attacks, the only one bitching here is you with your crusade to defend this mess.
i have every right to dislike it and i dont even have to explain it to the likes of you because you think you have the right to demand anything .
how else do you explain the bad review score , but no everyone else is wrong and you are right. if 3 out of 10 say its bad then its bad plain and simple

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Hey, how are you guys redacting spoilers. The sections that are darkened until you click them over spoilers, I assume is an html tag. I'd like to discuss my journey with the game so far, but I'd like to include spoilers.

I love the game so far. I am not far in. I've read all the spoilers. I think spoilers improve content for me personally. I'd like to point to this article about that, not as proof, but just to explain my thinking:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.e...y-stories-more

It’s a little command box like when you quote some one, I just quote some one else’s post who uses them then copy past the command box instead of typing it out.

[Gorsameth]

Hey, how are you guys redacting spoilers. The sections that are darkened until you click them over spoilers, I assume is an html tag. I'd like to discuss my journey with the game so far, but I'd like to include spoilers.

I love the game so far. I am not far in. I've read all the spoilers. I think spoilers improve content for me personally. I'd like to point to this article about that, not as proof, but just to explain my thinking:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.e...y-stories-more

[ spoiler] [ /spoiler]
obviously without the space.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/_Vs_The_World/st...05178100465665

he said clearly he has been influenced by her and her videos .

go now tell me how my source is either fake or you dont like it.

but before that let this sink in, games that were influenced by her
mass effect andromeda , athem and last of us 2 , all of them a mess

The fact that Anita scam-rceesian was involved is enough proof

Being influenced by someone or something and that person or thing being "involved" are two very different things.

Watching the video...

So he and his team felt that designing the game where only women were affected by this, and you're essentially just escorting one girl as a passive follower was sexist.

Ok, that's not an outrageous idea. He references multiple works that include those themes, denying most of the female characters any real agency. He references female character designs that are extremely sexualized and very fanservice focused which is also fair, even though I love me my fanservice. He doesn't want to create more sexualized female characters that are largely just male fantasy material, and wants to create more complete representations of women in games so that they can serve as role models alongside the great many male characters that have filled that role (and great many that haven't).

References Tropes vs. Women, seemingly addressing that there is criticism against those videos for how she explores the tropes she's highlighting, and how that made him re-evaluate how he wants to portray women in his games. As a result we got TLOU 1, which by all accounts is a stellar game that nobody felt was "CORRUPTED BY THE ESS JAY DUBYAS" that I can remember.

Still not seeing the issue here. There's no evidence she had any "involvement" in the game. And neither of those other games have any reported involvement with her either. She toured BioWare Edmonton - ME:A was developed by BioWare Montreal, different studio, and none of Anthem's problems had anything to do with that nonsense, they were design failures.

We get it, you don't like her. That doesn't mean she's an evil bogeyman who ruined everything you liked.

[niztheundead87]

It’s a little command box like when you quote some one, I just quote some one else’s post who uses them then copy past the command box instead of typing it out.

the fact you get to play with a character you hate is enough to see that its mess .
now come off it with the add hominem attacks, the only one bitching here is you with your crusade to defend this mess.
i have every right to dislike it and i dont even have to explain it to the likes of you because you think you have the right to demand anything .
how else do you explain the bad review score , but no everyone else is wrong and you are right. if 3 out of 10 say its bad then its bad plain and simple

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Being influenced by someone or something and that person or thing being "involved" are two very different things.

Watching the video...

So he and his team felt that designing the game where only women were affected by this, and you're essentially just escorting one girl as a passive follower was sexist.

Ok, that's not an outrageous idea. He references multiple works that include those themes, denying most of the female characters any real agency. He references female character designs that are extremely sexualized and very fanservice focused which is also fair, even though I love me my fanservice. He doesn't want to create more sexualized female characters that are largely just male fantasy material, and wants to create more complete representations of women in games so that they can serve as role models alongside the great many male characters that have filled that role (and great many that haven't).

References Tropes vs. Women, seemingly addressing that there is criticism against those videos for how she explores the tropes she's highlighting, and how that made him re-evaluate how he wants to portray women in his games.

Still not seeing the issue here. There's no evidence she had any "involvement" in the game. And neither of those other games have any reported involvement with her either. She toured BioWare Edmonton - ME:A was developed by BioWare Montreal, different studio, and none of Anthem's problems had anything to do with that nonsense, they were design failures.

We get it, you don't like her. That doesn't mean she's an evil bogeyman who ruined everything you liked.

she destroys every game she was involved with . mass effect for example.

[Velshin]

But once again... This is not Joel from TLOU1. This is Joel after 4 years of being settled down and living in a mostly sheltered community with mostly people trying to live an honest life.

It didn't happen a week after the first game when it would be reasonable to think Joel was still paranoid. This is after years of being safe and trying to live an honest life instead of the shit he was doing before.

As I said I don't mind him soften up a little bit because of 4 years settling down and trying to build community and society. I get that really but as I said before, someone with that kind of experience of that post apocalypse world lived that world for over 20+ years he should never drop his guard down like that ever.

[Tech614]

how else do you explain the bad review score

Bad review score from anonymous sources that might as well be alt right bots.

Critical acclaim from averaging any review with a face behind it.

You still have failed to provide proof of Anita changing the game in any way.

[niztheundead87]

Bad review score from anonymous sources that might as well be alt right bots.

Critical acclaim from averaging any review with a face behind it.

You still have failed to provide proof of Anita changing the game in any way.

the russian bots did it !!!11@

[Lorgar Aurelian]

the fact you get to play with a character youhate is enough to see that its mess .
now come off it with the add hominem attacks, the only one bitching here is you with your crusade to defend this mess.
i have every right to dislike it and i dont even have to explain it to the likes of you because you think you have the right to demand anything .
how else do you explain the bad review score , but no everyone else is wrong and you are right. if 3 out of 10 say its bad then its bad plain and simple

Lol Playing as a character you Dislike isn’t pandering in any way there was no pro Abbie group who really wanted her playable as she didn’t exist until they made this game. Neither is portraying a different perspective a mess.

You can dislike the game just fine but don’t be surprised when people want to know why and act like your a fool when you can’t even explain why you don’t dislike it beyond “this character bad”.

[Velshin]

I have to say the best bad ass moment for me in the game is Tommy when he shot that Manny friend in the eyes! that fight when we are slowly trying to reach him reminded me so much of "The end" from Metal Gear 3!

[niztheundead87]

Lol Playing as a character you Dislike isn’t pandering in any way there was no pro Abbie group who really wanted her playable as she didn’t exist until they made this game. Neither is portraying a different perspective a mess.

You can dislike the game just fine but don’t be surprised when people want to know why and act like your a fool when you can’t even explain why you don’t dislike it beyond “this character bad”.

im entitled to have any opinion i want and im also entitled to not asnwer to you just because you dont like my opinion.
i dont like the game and thats all.
but ofc lets go with the classic personal attack , typical mmoc. now go on and report me because i have a different opinion than you.

[Kallisto]

the fact you get to play with a character youhate is enough to see that its mess .

Only people who hate abby are those that don't understand WTF the first game was about and how Joel wasn't supposed to be shown in a good light when he went on a murder rampage against those whose only crime is about to save the world.

Hell you could go to TLOU fan sites after the first game was released and people were saying Joel deserved his comeuppance after what happened there. Don't go turn it around by saying you're supposed to hate Abby.

Ellie is supposed to hate her? Yes.

Guess what. Me, you, Tech, Edge-, user number 5765762 are not Abby or Ellie or Joel or Tommy or Mook number 5790287. We're the audience watching how groups of people are hurt and trying to get in their view of justice due to being wronged by the opposing side.

This isn't some good vs evil story.