Josh removed from Method, Sascha accused of harassment

[Magnagarde]

A person with chronic anxiety wouldn't and shouldn't be entering a guild with an extremely competitive mindset, let alone be a steamer, unless specifically taking part in confrontational therapy.

Whatever happened to leaving a guild you aren't comfortable in and moving on, blocking people that annoy you along the way.

[Natureseer]

Problem is, noone can read minds (atm). And she never told him that she is uncomfortable if I remember correctly from the tweet. (we're talkng about the Sascha/annie thing here right?)
Go and watch Annie's video with Pilav. Not the one on Annie's channel. the one on Pilav's. Please. Just go and watch it.

Girls should open their mouth and tell what they feel. Not acting compliant and then years later write stories about how they really felt. I am a woman and NO means NO, but for fucks sake open your mouth and SAY IT! A girl that streams on the internet in front of hundreds of people can defend themselves and open their mouth and talk freely while streaming, but can't when left alone with a guy in a room? And the nagain. Mixed messages. "Guy" says "girl" wanted hugs all the time and HE had to stop HER.

she shouldnt have to say it to her boss. they were on a business trip. he went full creep mode on her using his position of authority. the end.

[Onikaroshi]

she shouldnt have to say it to her boss. they were on a business trip. he went full creep mode on her using his position of authority. the end.

If you call a trip to blizzcon that people seem to have bought their own tickets to a "business trip", and it was like 3 years ago, when method as a brand was just starting to take off.

[Magnagarde]

Go and watch Annie's video with Pilav. Not the one on Annie's channel. the one on Pilav's. Please. Just go and watch it.

That is one of the reasons a large portion of the community likes Pilav, appart from his absurdist humour; he doesn't give a shit about these things which are non-issues that are extremely easy to handle, especially on the internet. He is straightforward with what he thinks and he usually says it, more often than not to see a reaction.

[Harbour]

You are aware of how awful it sounds to say "well girls should do this!"? Especially someone who is suffering from anxiety.

And it's really self defeating considering it can be thrown right back that he should have ASKED if she had interest or why she kept asking for hugs.

He made a bad assumption, and instead of just admitting it and apologizing, he doubled down and when you have others saying he did the same to them then there's an obvious pattern.

Being "not as bad as Josh" isn't a defense either.


Also, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see someone hiding in their bed from you to think "maybe I'm making them uncomfortable".

Or you know, that it's a TERRIBLE idea to put a mattress in someone's room when you have your own.

Imagine being both anxious and flying to USA to hang out with the dudes and even repeatedly asking for hugs one of them? Sounds like a fantasy made up by a girl to justify her self being basic bitch. I know what is that to be anxious and i can hardly see anxious people to do stuff she did, including streaming.

[Mrkew]

Women ruining the game for everyone yet again. Thanks.

[Magnagarde]

If you call a trip to blizzcon that people seem to have bought their own tickets to a "business trip", and it was like 3 years ago, when method as a brand was just starting to take off.

Trips to Blizzcon are a business trip in an era where people with chronic anxiety enter a dedicated competitive and judgemental environment, while exposing themselves to the entire community.

Women ruining the game for everyone yet again. Thanks.

inb4 Anita, a beloved person among gamers, jumps on the story

[Raelbo]

It's not that daft tbh.
In witch trials and too many #metoo cases the person is accused of made up bullshit that ruins your life, were you guilty or not.

I'd actually like to a see citation of the ratio of legitimate accusations vs "made up bullshit". I'm willing to bet that the number of false accusations is a LOT lower than some of the folks out here like to pretend.

Again, I am not saying it doesn't happen, but really, I think the amount it happens doesn't justify the fuss generated by some people.

[Lei]

she shouldnt have to say it to her boss. they were on a business trip. he went full creep mode on her using his position of authority. the end.

Did you even read the tweet?
"I spent a month in the US between Twitchcon and Blizzcon 2017. I wanted a cheaper and less straining option than flying back and forth multiple times, so I accepted the offer to stay with Method co-owner Sascha in an airbnb between the two events. I also invited one of my Swedish friends that I trust. I had specified I'm not interested in parties, or going out, I literally just want to sleep, eat and stream. They both expressed they're fine with it."

Does this sound to you like a business trip?

[munkeyinorbit]

A person with chronic anxiety wouldn't and shouldn't be entering a guild with an extremely competitive mindset, let alone be a steamer, unless specifically taking part in confrontational therapy.

Whatever happened to leaving a guild you aren't comfortable in and moving on, blocking people that annoy you along the way.

Nice victim shaming. I'm glad there are people here to police what other people do.

So let's say it's all true but instead of coming out she does what you say. Just block and leave? What happens next is the perpetrator then turns their attention to someone else. Then that person blocks and leaves. This doesn't actually solve anything except create more victims.

Instead of telling people what they should or shouldn't be doing how about you ask yourself why you think people who commit sexual crimes deserve to be defended?

[Monketron]

I dread the time when a Screenshot is allowed as Evidence in Court.

Text messages / Chat logs are allowed in court ALL THE TIME. Wtf are you talking about.

[Magnagarde]

Nice victim shaming. I'm glad there are people here to police what other people do.

So let's say it's all true but instead of coming out she does what you say. Just block and leave? What happens next is the perpetrator then turns their attention to someone else. Then that person blocks and leaves. This doesn't actually solve anything except create more victims.

Instead of telling people what they should or shouldn't be doing how about you ask yourself why you think people who commit sexual crimes deserve to be defended?

Victim shaming? This is no victim shaming because these are no victims in my mind. The "perpetrator" is an edgy gamer spending most of his life within four walls, taking on the pale hue of the Dranor's orcs. What he says and what anybody else following him says is so meaningless that a piece of meat stuck between your teeth is a much larger issue. That goes for us all on the internet.

These are not victims, this is not an issue, what Josh says can't insult anyone, what he says on the internet isn't sexual assault, unless it legally falls within said category and is proven/decided upon in court. If that is "assault", then we've all been internet raped into oblivion.

These women try to act cool and appeal to a playerbase they know is largely edgy, but now find themselves "hurt" for having entered territory that either isn't suitable for them or they're simply acting like it isn't(refer to her videos with Pilav where she keeps shut about much worse words being said to her directly in front of thousands, live and on streams, because Pilav brought the publicity and with it the money).

[jackofwind]

You do realise that nothing happened?

Soliciting sexual photos/acts from underage people (knowingly) is still super duper a crime.

[Raelbo]

Problem is all the false allegations really hurt the legitimate ones....

Honestly, I think a "convenient" exaggeration of false allegations hurts the legitimate ones. Unless of course you have a credible source proving that the problem of rampant false allegations.

It's hard to believe everyone in these very serious situations when their's so many false ones going around.

Well, it's hard to believe when a bunch of believe would rather believe that there are so many false accusations. And like I say, it's very convenient for the real villains in this story to spread this perception.

I've seen it first hand, false accusations can ruin your life, even if you're not famous.

Sure. But is it really nearly as prevalent a problem as, say, sexual abuse. As far as all the evidence I have ever seen, it's pretty rare that these turn out to be false.

They really should have harsh punishment if you're found to be falsely accusing someone.

I am not going to disagree with you on that.

[Jester Joe]

Imagine being both anxious and flying to USA to hang out with the dudes and even repeatedly asking for hugs one of them? Sounds like a fantasy made up by a girl to justify her self being basic bitch. I know what is that to be anxious and i can hardly see anxious people to do stuff she did, including streaming.

So, because you know what it's like to be anxious that makes you an expert on forms of anxiety?

This is just really short sighted. Streaming can very much be a form of relaxation and socializing for people with anxiety when they have no physical contact with the other side.

On top of that, this wasn't a "for fun" trip like you're making it sound, and past that, you seem to have it backwards.
She wasn't asking him to hug her, but for her to hug him.

Which isn't some sign of "justification" like you seem to think, and it makes perfect sense when you couple in that she's already said she has anxiety and hugs friends when she thinks they're sad (and imagine, sascha is on record admitting he was upset and stressed under multiple situations).

[GreenJesus]

I don't date people that go clubbing. Where would you suggest i flirt with people if everyday life is apparently taboo?

What i mean to say is that your statement is retarded.

4Head Just don't flirt with anyone and keep playing video games.

Yeh that comment is retarded. Plus night club sounds like the worst place to hit on someone. Girls that are under the influence / drugged up? Probably not a good idea to get involved. Plus loud places with people dancing and having fun just literally make me want to hide in the bathroom and cry. Company christmas party, weddings, etc are rough.

[Magnagarde]

4Head Just don't flirt with anyone and keep playing video games.

Yeh that comment is retarded. Plus night club sounds like the worst place to hit on someone. Girls that are under the influence / drugged up? Probably not a good idea to get involved.

Play FF VII R and pretend you're actually Cloud while talking to Tifa. Carlos too if you play RE:3.

Top of the game, Johnny Bravo levels at that.

[fwc577]

example justin beiber getting falsely accused and then having the receipts to prove his innocence.

have any of these accusations been validated? from what I can tell many haven't.

All the false accusers should be sued into oblivion... False accusers just make it harder for genuine victims which is bullshit.

My bad. I didn't realize this was a Justin Beiber fan forum.

Also, where are the "accusations". You just named one.

Everyone should have receipts. Check out twitch.tv/destiny

He looks at all the ones related to WoW streamers/teams. I'm actually watching https://www.twitch.tv/videos/660854618 at about 50 minutes where he talks about the fact that Sascha shouldn't have started calling or asking to call Annie, at the point where things started to go sour, all communication should've been entirely by email so there are receipts.

Justin Beiber is smart enough to know that this shit can happen with fake accusations and he's prepared. That doesn't mean all accusations are fake.

[jackofwind]

So, because you know what it's like to be anxious that makes you an expert on forms of anxiety?

This is just really short sighted. Streaming can very much be a form of relaxation and socializing for people with anxiety when they have no physical contact with the other side.

On top of that, this wasn't a "for fun" trip like you're making it sound, and past that, you seem to have it backwards.
She wasn't asking him to hug her, but for her to hug him.

Which isn't some sign of "justification" like you seem to think, and it makes perfect sense when you couple in that she's already said she has anxiety and hugs friends when she thinks they're sad (and imagine, sascha is on record admitting he was upset and stressed under multiple situations).

You have to realize that you're fighting a losing battle here, in this thread a girl hugging you 3 months ago when your dog died is a reasonable precedent to let you grab her hips today because you're feeling kinda horny.

[Harbour]

Nice victim shaming. I'm glad there are people here to police what other people do.

So let's say it's all true but instead of coming out she does what you say. Just block and leave? What happens next is the perpetrator then turns their attention to someone else. Then that person blocks and leaves. This doesn't actually solve anything except create more victims.

Instead of telling people what they should or shouldn't be doing how about you ask yourself why you think people who commit sexual crimes deserve to be defended?

>People with mental issues better not push it by joining high risk groups, or block the people that bother their health
>How dare you to shame victims?!?!?! She should have keep doing nothing and encourage oppressor's behavior.

Are you trying to defend Annie here or shit on her? Your post has little to no sense and point.