No difference if the girl is not interested. Say no, if he insist or do unwanted stuff, go to the police. End of story.
I dont see why you want me to "realize" any difference here. If the girl say "no", then that's a no..... dgaf if you are a simple customer or a creepy CEO.
By the way I was responding to someone saying men shouldnt try to flirt anywhere except for places like nightclubs or café. I dont know what kind of bullshit you want to put in my mouth here....
Well, I mean there is no need to be paranoid about it.
Just be mindful of where you are raring to stick your pecker in. It's really not a rocket science, as long as your moral compass is there. Yes, you need to be a bit assertive if you are serious about it, but it can be done in a way that's not fucked up and does not open you up to consequences.
As a whole it's a good rule to not do this shit in work-related setting, of course, unless there is a very clear mutual interest.
So I see the damage mitigation team is working hard. I actually saw that clip. What *really* happens is that this Josh person starts to make some demands to this girl about the way she speaks, and then shows the knife and tells her that she should speak in a different way.
That is a threat. Any sane person does not do that. I also watched the following sequence, he does not retract or make excuses either.
Also I checked the stream from the day after the alleged rape. The girl breaks down and starts to cry. His reaction? He starts laughing and is very pleased with himself.
My first reaction was actually, police investigation not conclusive, no proof this is a witch hunt. After actually watching this guys behaviour my conclusion is that hes a complete piece of shit.
I don't feel sorry for Sco but I do feel sorry for (most) of the guildies. They wouldn't have known what Sco knew and had no real reason to doubt it.
I hope the raid team survives by reforming somewhere else. There is plenty of time left before shadowlands to atleast partially recover.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
It's not only Method though, it's Bay from FinalbossTV, too. He admitted to groping a guildmate while she was asleep.
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9qnh
Aaand another story about Bay surfacing...
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9s2e
Yes, there is a difference, but how that difference plays out has changed in the last decade. In today's era, the power dynamic has shifted to a great extent. In the past, a powerful man could coerce or intimidate a women with very little fear of consequences. Hell, two US presidents have been seen wielding that power, but now even an allegations can destroy, not just a man, but an entire organization (as we are seeing w/ Method).
It has gotten to the point that companies are not hiring women and bosses are afraid of having private meetings with them for fear of being accused of something. How any women can feel pressured in today's climate is a mystery to me. They have the power. They can post something on social media w/ no corroborating evidence and destroy a person's life.
While, this case looks to be solid in demonstrating, at minimum, inappropriate behavior (though to this point no criminal behavior has been established) and will probably and justifiably lead to the end of Method, the response of anyone even tangentially related is telling. The fact that everyone seems to have scurried like cockroaches is also informative of which party hold the power and of how bad cancel culture has become. Everyone is terrified. This is reminiscent of how relatives of people accused of crimes in the Soviet Union would throw everyone and anyone under the bus w/ loud proclamations of their loyalty to the party and hatred of their family members/acquaintances to save their own skin.
The situation a present sucks for everyone which I guess is an improvement over just one side being screwed =/
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Boss talks to employee while they are in bed, and boss chooses to sleep in employee of the opposite sex's room.
That goes a wee bit beyond 'just saying he liked her'.
Mind you 'just saying he liked her' is already a potential problem in a superior/subordinate environment.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
There is some truth to it indeed, previous startup I worked for had exactly this kind of situation where 2 female employees collaborated to accuse CEO of sexual harassment.
I know for a fact it was a bunch of bullshit, because one of these employees was directly under me and I knew full well where this whole "idea" came from - another employee who was on her way to be let go over performance and team issues, so she conjured this thing to prevent it and dragged my subordinate into that crap.
From my end, I was always straight as an arrow when it came to any sort of gender related nonsense at workplace, so I was not involved in the eventual lawsuit and this whole mess. The whole thing lasted about a year and I know it pretty much ended with nothing, because it was nothing - a made up bullshit claim. In the end they both quit, maybe they got settled or just got nothing - I don't know and don't care. I learned to keep my nose out of such crap, because it IS dangerous.
So yes, it absolutely happens and in my opinion there needs to be some sort of proper due process there acceptable by our society. I, personally, would not take everyone's word for granted lightly for either side in such cases.
In my personal opinion, the likelihood that all this happened is high, given the parties involved. But as a rule - a caution needs to be exercised, because sometimes it really is a bad faith game on the accuser side.
This whole discussion on all platforms has gone way too much into "detail" that pretty much nobody but 2 people know of. For everyone involved it would be completely sufficient to state "there are unacceptable allegations and based on these allegations".. but even in this thread people state certain allegations and even stuff beyond as facts, which is pretty hot territory from a legal point of view by the way.
For it to be victim shaming she and all the women who came out about this need to be factually established as such. Posting on the internet about "what happened" is not factual. Untill proven a victim, they're not victims. It is all internet gossip.Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit
The idea that whenever a woman comes forward with allegations like these also means that they're completely true is a terrible thing.
The key issue here being that this needs to be validated by a court. Everyone, even innocents, can be targeted by claims of sexual harassment and pedophilia, losing their jobs and lives.Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit
I have no problem with actual offenders getting the most severe of punishments imaginable, but there needs to be an algorithm that validates this, in order to protect innocents from abusing the internet to go after people with no consequences whatsoever. We have an algorithm in place and it's the justice system. Internet mobs of clueless people who react according to their first and initial emotional response are not valid sources of judgement.
If the court dismisses the case, then nobody should be able to go after another person's reputation and job. You are exactly the kind of person I'm talking about; "She wrote on the internet that she was raped/harrassed/assaulted, so it must be true! Quick, go after the person she mentions and don't let him get away!" is what you are doing, instead of supporting an independent, objective and judicially-established decision, disallowing anyone's name to be slandered untill proven to be slander-worthy.
Do you not see the problem with what you just wrote?
Protecting alleged sexual predators.
Alleged sexual predators.
Alleged.
Alleged means absolutely nothing untill factually proven. People who are targeted by accusations of "alleged" misconduct/felonies deserve to have their name and reputation protected too.
Multiple women have come out about different situations, ranging from claims about unhinged raped to just being sent NSFW pictures and naughty texts. I've jumped from one case to another in my posts. Someone who was actually raped can't be blamed, obviously, but someone who keeps sticking around people who send perverted messages in a largely voluntary gaming environment are indeed to be blamed for not cutting all ties with people who make them uncomfortable.Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit
You need to learn the difference between something being alleged and factual before replying to me and claiming I've got a predators' attitude. Reasoning like yours is exactly what is wrong about all of this; a completely visceral and naive understanding of how justice works and why we have courts to deal with this.
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I agree. Both men and women should be very conscientious of their actions and how they are perceived, while also taking any precautions they can to avoid issues. It may seem obvious and easy to do (it shouldn't be hard not to rape or lie) and yet both bad faith accusations and sexual misconduct keep occurring.
I'd wager the problem seems to stems from humanity's inherent sex drive and how we tend to risk much for sex -- too much and too often. We are pretty much hardwired to reproduce and wouldn't be here if that weren't the case, but damn does it cause so many problems.