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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Holy shit, your still on the sports thing although it does not even happen in the numbers you think it does.


    GC was so much more than just that, but you keep forgetting that sub was public and that everybody could read it and how they opposed any LGBT rights. But maybe if you stopped argueing with strawmen in your head you could see that.
    If you don't want me to argue with a strawman, maybe stop being a one-dimensional strawman who can't see the point of view of anyone but themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indara View Post
    So you have no idea what gendercritical was about. Glad that you admit that.
    "gender critical" (aka TERF ideology) is about gender essentialism.
    The idea that gender differences aren't socially/culturally determined but rather biologically and therefore intrinsic and unchangeable.
    That the concept of gender identity isn't a thing, rather that sex and gender are one and the same.

    In other words, it's a concept based on backwards thinking, science denial and an insanely narrow minded view on identity.
    It encourages the invalidation and discrimination of binary and non-binary trans people (especially trans women) because to them gender identity isn't a thing.

    Funny enough, the concept is set hard against cis-women as well.
    As it essentially (ha) reinforces gender stereotypes and backs the idea that women are intrinsically below men.


    Yes, there was a ton of transphobic hate speech,
    No, their ideas are fucked up and do not deserve any sort of platform.

    Ban deserved, good fucking riddance.

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    No one is denying transpeople any rights.
    Terfs sure are trying hard.


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  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    "gender critical" (aka TERF ideology) is about gender essentialism.
    The idea that gender differences aren't socially/culturally determined but rather biologically and therefore intrinsic and unchangeable.
    That the concept of gender identity isn't a thing, rather that sex and gender are one and the same.

    In other words, it's a concept based on backwards thinking, science denial and an insanely narrow minded view on identity.
    It encourages the invalidation and discrimination of binary and non-binary trans people (especially trans women) because to them gender identity isn't a thing.

    Funny enough, the concept is set hard against cis-women as well.
    As it essentially (ha) reinforces gender stereotypes and backs the idea that women are intrinsically below men.


    Yes, there was a ton of transphobic hate speech,
    No, their ideas are fucked up and do not deserve any sort of platform.

    Ban deserved, good fucking riddance.

    Holy fucking shit. Way to misrerepresent GenderCritical. It the farthest thing from gender essentialism. It was about the complete denial of gender as a social construct. It said that people should do w/e they want to and be whoever they want to without thinking about gender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    If you don't want me to argue with a strawman, maybe stop being a one-dimensional strawman who can't see the point of view of anyone but themselves?
    I can see the point of view of that sub, and i'm pro-LGBT so I oppose them is that so hard to see?


    I know what TERFS are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    Holy fucking shit. Way to misrerepresent GenderCritical. It the farthest thing from gender essentialism. It was about the complete denial of gender as a social construct. It said that people should do w/e they want to and be whoever they want to without thinking about gender.
    So now its okay to just make all sports gender-mixed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    It was about the complete denial of gender as a social construct.
    That the concept of gender identity isn't a thing, rather that sex and gender are one and the same.
    Yes, that is one of the points of gender essentialism.


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  6. #106
    So what's going to happen now us this thread is going to get locked because the OP can't help but bitch about trans people on a forum where gender discussion is not allowed.

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    I can see the point of view of that sub, and i'm pro-LGBT so I oppose them is that so hard to see?


    I know what TERFS are.
    You don't actually see them as people and that's your problem. If you saw them as people, you would see them as a group that had negative experiences with the trans community and are trying to legitimize their experiences and band together to do so because the mainstream media would lynch them for daring suggest that trans people are capable of shitty things as well as cis people. If you saw them as people, you would feel sympathy or at least understand where they're coming from. But what you see them as is some dark lord sending knights of evil from his castle of darkness to repress trans people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Yes, that is one of the points of gender essentialism.
    Gender and sex aren't "one and the same". Gender is hocus pocus bullshit made up by people who failed at classical philosophy and rode the wave of postmodernism to feel accomplished. Biological sex is exactly what the term implies. XX chromosomes or XY chromosomes. It isn't related to anything but what your body is like. Gender tries to force some bullshit personality concept on top of it where your personality either conforms to your sex or does not. Gender essentialism would be saying that women always have the personality features that correspond to the gender of "woman". Gender denialism is saying that gender is compelete and utter BS and that all people are unique and not defined by their biological sex.
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  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by noidentity View Post
    So what's going to happen now us this thread is going to get locked because the OP can't help but bitch about trans people on a forum where gender discussion is not allowed.
    That's his method though, if his post doesn't get a lot of agreement from other posters, he'll derail it until it closes.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by noidentity View Post
    So what's going to happen now us this thread is going to get locked because the OP can't help but bitch about trans people on a forum where gender discussion is not allowed.
    That's been his goal the entire time...

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    That's been his goal the entire time...
    CommunismWillWin is the one bitching and they sure as hell ain't the OP.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    CommunismWillWin is the one bitching and they sure as hell ain't the OP.
    Oh, you are, and we've seen this before.

    It's a shame so many people on here are whining about free speech and freedom of association. I love that Reddit decided to stop doing business with racist shitbags and transphobes/homophobes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    Holy fucking shit. Way to misrerepresent GenderCritical. It the farthest thing from gender essentialism. It was about the complete denial of gender as a social construct. It said that people should do w/e they want to and be whoever they want to without thinking about gender.
    Lol we know it’s you, JK Rowling.
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    The porn vs. white supremacy argument lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    That's cool and all but what exactly does this all have to do with reddit, its Big Chungus section in particular?
    I’m responding to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    I mean every single moment of donald trump's existence hurts lefties worse than what happens in those porn hurt its victims, so no wonder
    I’m sorry, did you want to go off topic insulting people on behalf of Trump with impunity? Let’s talk about cencorship in your country compared to this censorship of reddit? Let’s compare your conservative government reaction to social media and liberal one in US?
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  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Odd, because Nazis, white supremacists, and other racist shitbags run all sorts of websites. Of course, nobody is obligated to do business with them.

    I love watching people try to make racists and Nazis out to be the victims.
    Only if you see anyone disagreeing with you as Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post
    Only if you see anyone disagreeing with you as Nazis.
    Don’t you mean victimized?
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  17. #117
    Why on earth would they ban Gendercritical? Has it become heresy to say that women and transwomen are not exactly the same thing?

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post
    Only if you see anyone disagreeing with you as Nazis.
    Like I said, if you don't like it, take your business elsewhere.

    I love that Reddit chose to not do business with racist shitbags and other bigots. Freedom is awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Why on earth would they ban Gendercritical? Has it become heresy to say that women and transwomen are not exactly the same thing?
    That’s like saying the_donald was banned, because it’s heresy to discuss the president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Why on earth would they ban Gendercritical? Has it become heresy to say that women and transwomen are not exactly the same thing?
    Cause it was full of TERFs promoting hate speech.

    Related, Graham Linnehan was also banned from Twitter recently for the same reasons.
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