Tearing down historical statues the European edition

[Coolthulhu]

Is this in Italy?

Looks like people aren't too happy about that Stalin memorial.

That's Italy, yes, a marvelous place where you can find streets named after Stalin, the Soviet Union and generally speaking all sorts of bloodthirsty dictators, so long as they were communist dictators. That memorial is a foibe massacres (seems like a wiki link is due) memorial. One of the many such memorials the commies like to routinely deface. It's one of the Italian "antifascists" favorite pastimes, along with sending envelopes with threats and bullets to managers. And planting the occasional homemade bomb outside police station or bank, which more often than not fizzles or does less damage than a firecracker, because let's face it, they're not rocket scientists.

[Machismo]

You support civilian anarchists.

That makes you an anarchist supporter.

Or, in shorter terminology, an anarchist.

So, by supporting the putting up of Hitler statues, that means you are saying you're a Nazi?

"What's that statue doing there for?"

"Let me go and do some further research."


If Germany decided to erect statues of Hitler, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

That's their history and they have right to do so if they wanted to.

Are you sure that's the argument you want to make?

[Macd123aw]

So, by supporting the putting up of Hitler statues, that means you are saying you're a Nazi?



Are you sure that's the argument you want to make?

I support the right to putting up or bringing down statues through a democratic process where communities can decide for themselves.

You support rule of anarchy where tearing down statues because a group of minorities decide they want to practice vandalism to support their cause is acceptable.

That makes you an anarchist supporter.

Or in simpler terms, an anarchist.

I'm not sure your level of comprehension will enable you to distinguish difference in what I've just said though.

I fully expect you to be confused.

[Machismo]

I support the right to putting up or bringing down statues through a democratic process where communities can decide for themselves.

You support rule of anarchy where tearing down statues because a group of minorities decide they want to practice vandalism to support their cause is acceptable.

That makes you an anarchist supporter.

Or in simpler terms, an anarchist.

I'm not sure your level of comprehension will enable you to distinguish difference in what I've just said though.

I fully expect you to be confused.

By your own metric, you just admitted to being a Nazi.

Oh, I'm not an anarchist, I'm a libertarian.

And if you turn that perspective around, you are the one seeking to cause harm, and perform negative wage manipulation. You just don't care, because you are taking from others.

Youa re doing the very same thing you are claiming is bad...

I am fairly well off. I certainly earn more than the average American. I'm definitely not rich, or else I would stop working entirely, and golf.

As for your continued claim of my support of anarchy... you really should stop trying to repeat objective lies. I believe that's a logical fallacy.

At least you aren't calling me a fascist or an anarchist.

You keep claiming I voted for Trump, simply because I'm a libertarian. That's a foolish thing to say. It's not as if Trump is a free-market capitalist. Obama was clsoer to that mark than Trump is.

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Positive for you, not for business owners. See, same thing, just different people doing the wage manipulation.

All it is, is a difference of perspective, that's the point. To them, lower wages IS positive wage manipulation.

So you can't articulate exactly how your anarchism will work. It just works because you insist it does.

Once again, I'm not an anarchist. Your refusal to believe objective facts is not my problem.

I have stated how it works, you just won't let it enter into your brain. Once again, that's not my problem. The government can restrict actions, just as it always has. I only support restricting actions that cause harm.

Now, I asked you multiple questions about you trying to improve your value and earnings. But, you avoided those questions. When I asked if you had a job, you also avoided that question. It makes me wonder...[/QUOTE]

And, how did they achieve those gains, and hold them?

As soon as they are "run" by any group, then it's not really anarchy. At the end of the day, anarchy doesn't work on any real scale, or for any sizable duration, because it has no means in which to deal with societal outliers. Mind you, I love the idea of as little government as possible, and fully support voluntaryism. But, to get to a result of communism, there's going to be a great deal of force involved.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...2#post52259522

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...y#post50966676

You lost that argument when you refused to be consistent, when Marines were tearing down statues of Hussein.

You claimed I'm an anarchist, because I supposedly sympathize with anarchists, and support their cause. I provided evidence, in your own words, of you supporting the putting up of Hitler statues. Dude, you just called yourself a Nazi.

You may want to take a break from the internet for a while.

[Easo]

I was pretty neutral about this, but the news that statue of Roman emperor might be removed due to slavery...Yeah, that is a bit too much for me.

[Macd123aw]

By your own metric, you just admitted to being a Nazi.

Oh, I'm not an anarchist, I'm a libertarian.







Once again, I'm not an anarchist. Your refusal to believe objective facts is not my problem.

I have stated how it works, you just won't let it enter into your brain. Once again, that's not my problem. The government can restrict actions, just as it always has. I only support restricting actions that cause harm.

Now, I asked you multiple questions about you trying to improve your value and earnings. But, you avoided those questions. When I asked if you had a job, you also avoided that question. It makes me wonder...

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...2#post52259522

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...y#post50966676

You lost that argument when you refused to be consistent, when Marines were tearing down statues of Hussein.

You claimed I'm an anarchist, because I supposedly sympathize with anarchists, and support their cause. I provided evidence, in your own words, of you supporting the putting up of Hitler statues. Dude, you just called yourself a Nazi.

You may want to take a break from the internet for a while.[/QUOTE]

I support the process of democratic choice.

You support anarchists.

You also demonstrate an inability to distinguish the difference between those two statements.

I pity your mind.

But admire your enthusiasm.

At least you try, even if i do think you are misguided.


PS - your post was a /quote mess, and i didn't attempt to tidy it up.

[Machismo]

I was pretty neutral about this, but the news that statue of Roman emperor might be removed due to slavery...Yeah, that is a bit too much for me.

Personally, I'm under the belief that tearing down statues is about as pointless as putting them up in the first place. It's more for personal enjoyment, than anything else. It's not like tearing them down (or keeping them up) is any real victory.

[josykay]

I was pretty neutral about this, but the news that statue of Roman emperor might be removed due to slavery...Yeah, that is a bit too much for me.

Chances are, when talking about Roman emperors, that slavery, aside of Roman slavery was fairly different compared to cattle slavery, was the least of said emperor's problems.
It soeaks for itself, that aside of Augustus very few died of natural causes.

[Machismo]

You also demonstrate an inability to distinguish the difference between those two statements.

I pity your mind.

But admire your enthusiasm.

At least you try, even if i do think you are misguided.


PS - your post was a /quote mess, and i didn't attempt to tidy it up.

You called me an anarchist, because I supposedly support them (you offered no evidence to back up such a claim). Meanwhile, I offered evidence showing I do not support anarchy, as well as showed how your logic means you are obliged to call yourself a Nazi, because you support Hitler statues. Don't blame me, you said it, I simply pointed it out.

Personally, self-identifying Nazis calling me an anarchist... doesn't hurt me as much as you may think.

[Mayhem]

That's Italy, yes, a marvelous place where you can find streets named after Stalin, the Soviet Union and generally speaking all sorts of bloodthirsty dictators, so long as they were communist dictators. That memorial is a foibe massacres (seems like a wiki link is due) memorial. One of the many such memorials the commies like to routinely deface. It's one of the Italian "antifascists" favorite pastimes, along with sending envelopes with threats and bullets to managers. And planting the occasional homemade bomb outside police station or bank, which more often than not fizzles or does less damage than a firecracker, because let's face it, they're not rocket scientists.[/IMG]

I am not sure what your argument is? Also, I really don't know much about Italy so forgive me for not knowing stuff and assuming the thing you're showing is actually the stuff you're talking about. I will not do that mistake again though.

Just for fun, why don't you explain what you are on about with your latest posts, maybe without going offtopic in your own posts?

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Oh, I'm not an anarchist, I'm a libertarian.

What's the difference?

[Machismo]

I am not sure what your argument is? Also, I really don't know much about Italy so forgive me for not knowing stuff and assuming the thing you're showing is actually the stuff you're talking about. I will not do that mistake again though.

Just for fun, why don't you explain what you are on about with your latest posts, maybe without going offtopic in your own posts?

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What's the difference?

About the same difference between democratic-socialism and communism.

[Coolthulhu]

I am not sure what your argument is? Also, I really don't know much about Italy so forgive me for not knowing stuff and assuming the thing you're showing is actually the stuff you're talking about. I will not do that mistake again though.

Just for fun, why don't you explain what you are on about with your latest posts, maybe without going offtopic in your own posts?

I think it was pretty clear in my answer to that other poster in which you baited me into this OT. That being said, I don't exactly get what would lead you to think I'd post pictures unrelated to the stuff I'm talking about - but then again, I don't understand the difficulty in googling a single unfamiliar word - "foibe" - that would've spared me this OT you started, too. Then again I've grown accustomed to your reluctance to search engines by now.

What's the difference?

A baffling yet not entirely unexpected question, considering your... thoughts on what oligarchy is and isn't.

[Ripster42]

What's the difference?

I'll see if I can handle this.

Anarchists don't believe in any govt. Libertarians believe in enough gov't to protect rights and security.
@Machismo correct me where I'm wrong.

[Machismo]

I'll see if I can handle this.

Anarchists don't believe in any govt. Libertarians believe in enough gov't to protect rights and security.
@Machismo correct me where I'm wrong.

You're pretty close.

As I like to put it, people should be free to do what they want, so long as they do not harm others. In turn, that means that the only laws that should exist, are those that restrict harmful actions.

[Macd123aw]

You called me an anarchist, because I supposedly support them (you offered no evidence to back up such a claim). Meanwhile, I offered evidence showing I do not support anarchy, as well as showed how your logic means you are obliged to call yourself a Nazi, because you support Hitler statues. Don't blame me, you said it, I simply pointed it out.

Personally, self-identifying Nazis calling me an anarchist... doesn't hurt me as much as you may think.

I don't support Hitler statues.

It's your comprehensive (in)-ability that makes you think i do.

Supporting anarchists does actually make you an anarchist though.

[Mayhem]

I think it was pretty clear in my answer to that other poster in which you baited me into this OT. That being said, I don't exactly get what would lead you to think I'd post pictures unrelated to the stuff I'm talking about - but then again, I don't understand the difficulty in googling a single unfamiliar word - "foibe" - that would've spared me this OT you started, too. Then again I've grown accustomed to your reluctance to search engines by now.

Dude, the post history is clear, the word foibe was mentioned by you after you've talked about France, Stalin, and Tito. Right, it's much easier if I google half your posts to get what you're talking about instead of you just briefly explaining it.

See, I asked you about Tito and Stalin and you've presented a picture of a foibe memorial without any explanation at all.

A baffling yet not entirely unexpected question, considering your... thoughts on what oligarchy is and isn't.

Yeah, of course, you also don't know much about that, not entirely unexpected considering you still can't find a fitting explanation for what you think oligarchy is. See, apart from talking your mind, you haven't once backed it up, not once. You merely said, "if you can't see it you're blind". Maybe stick to the gun-control thread, really, the only things you seem to know enough about so others don't have to use google to decipher your gibberish are guns.

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About the same difference between democratic-socialism and communism.

Are you not able to explain it with your own words?

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I'll see if I can handle this.

Anarchists don't believe in any govt. Libertarians believe in enough gov't to protect rights and security.
@Machismo correct me where I'm wrong.

I have talked with him about this a bunch of times, the problem is, he can't explain how it could work. So it's hard to see a difference when he isn't able to explain the difference.

[beanman12345]

You're pretty close.

As I like to put it, people should be free to do what they want, so long as they do not harm others. In turn, that means that the only laws that should exist, are those that restrict harmful actions.

Except when it comes to speech apparently.

[Coolthulhu]

Dude, the post history is clear, the word foibe was mentioned by you after you've talked about France, Stalin, and Tito. Right, it's much easier if I google half your posts to get what you're talking about instead of you just briefly explaining it.

See, I asked you about Tito and Stalin and you've presented a picture of a foibe memorial without any explanation at all.

Yes, the post history is quite clear. It's a topic about the defacing of statues and memorials in Europe, I've been addressing that all along. If you don't understand why I mentioned the foibe massacres in connection with Tito then perhaps you should google Tito as well.

Yeah, of course, you also don't know much about that, not entirely unexpected considering you still can't find a fitting explanation for what you think oligarchy is. See, apart from talking your mind, you haven't once backed it up, not once. You merely said, "if you can't see it you're blind". Maybe stick to the gun-control thread, really, the only things you seem to know enough about so others don't have to use google to decipher your gibberish are guns.

Oh I did back it up alright, I just don't have the habit to stick to dictionary definitions, which is the hallmark of the unknowledgeable. So is branding things you ignore as "gibberish", but again, that's all one can expect if you're unable to connect the foibe massacres with Tito.

[Ripster42]

I have talked with him about this a bunch of times, the problem is, he can't explain how it could work. So it's hard to see a difference when he isn't able to explain the difference.

Yeah, can't really say I support it. It always seems to boil down to "what rights should be protected" and it makes the whole spectrum of libertarians vary so much that it's a bit pointless to just say "libertarian." Using their terminology, "What constitutes a harmful action?"

[Machismo]

I don't support Hitler statues.

It's your comprehensive (in)-ability that makes you think i do.

Supporting anarchists does actually make you an anarchist though.

Please, show where I support anarchists.

I'll wait.

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Dude, the post history is clear, the word foibe was mentioned by you after you've talked about France, Stalin, and Tito. Right, it's much easier if I google half your posts to get what you're talking about instead of you just briefly explaining it.

See, I asked you about Tito and Stalin and you've presented a picture of a foibe memorial without any explanation at all.



Yeah, of course, you also don't know much about that, not entirely unexpected considering you still can't find a fitting explanation for what you think oligarchy is. See, apart from talking your mind, you haven't once backed it up, not once. You merely said, "if you can't see it you're blind". Maybe stick to the gun-control thread, really, the only things you seem to know enough about so others don't have to use google to decipher your gibberish are guns.

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Are you not able to explain it with your own words?

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I have talked with him about this a bunch of times, the problem is, he can't explain how it could work. So it's hard to see a difference when he isn't able to explain the difference.

Anarchists support no government, I support limited government. Is that simple enough?

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Except when it comes to speech apparently.

Ummm, what?

I'm a huge supporter of free speech.