Star Wars: John Favreau's Sequel Retcon Rumors [Discussion]

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

An unconfirmed and potentially bogus internet rumor suggests Disney may reset the entire “Star Wars” cinematic universe, erasing “The Force Awakens,” “The Last Jedi” and “Rise of Skywalker” from the main timeline of events.

The rumor — which comes from the a YouTube channel — suggests there’s some inner turmoil at Disney about the new direction of the “Star Wars” franchise. (The YouTuber previously reported “Rise of Skywalker” spoilers and details about the “Captain Marvel” sequel.)

The entire report is unconfirmed and unlikely. But let’s talk about the details for a second and see what it might mean for the “Star Wars” franchise going forward.

If true,
Could we be seeing an appropriate sequel to Luke Skywalker's [EP. 4,5, & 6] Era? How will they do this without Carrie? Or we will get a prequel to the prequel and leave 4,5 and 6 alone?


Source: https://www.deseret.com/entertainmen...e-of-skywalker

[Val the Moofia Boss]

If true,
Could we be seeing an appropriate sequel to Luke Skywalker's [EP. 4,5, & 6] Era? How will they do this without Carrie? Or we will get a prequel to the prequel and leave 4,5 and 6 alone?

Hamil, Ford, and Fisher won't show up. Nor will the likeness of their characters in CGI.

Next thing on the corporate film franchise docket: reboots! They're gonna remake the original trilogy within the next ten years, with new actors. And it will be shit. Lol Leia is probably going to be a stronk female character who needs no man and does everything herself. Luke will become a beta cuck. More gratuitous scenes of Vader murdering everybody. Ewoks will be replaced with Wookies. SUBVERSION! Post-modernist nihilism like in TLJ and modern politicking. Expect a gay character. The media shills will praise it as high art and it will get 95% from the critics on rotten tomatoes. The dissenters will be demonized as "entitled bigots" and user scores on rotten tomatoes will be deleted for the first couple of weeks. The movies will do okay with a new generation who had never grown up with the Lucas films and the old fans will be too old to bother talking online or pointing the new generation to the old films and the EU.

I don't care if the sequel trilogy is retconned out or not. Disney has revealed where their heart lies: it's all about the money. Money, money, money. If they retcon the ST away, it's only because they think they will get more money by trying to "win back the fans". It's like when they uncancelled Clone Wars; not because they give a damn but because they're trying to bring up franchise revenue by "winning back the fans". But their hearts haven't changed. They don't care about Star Wars. They don't care about the community like George Lucas did.

Say what you will about George Lucas, but he gave a damn about his name. He had integrity. After George released RotJ, George was tired of Star Wars, but he still gave a damn about the people who loved Star Wars, so he allowed other creators to give their takes on Star Wars. Thus, we got the Expanded Universe and hundreds of Star Wars games. Lucas didn't sit back and let other people throw shit at the wall and milk the IP dry; Lucasfilm carefully curated each book and game to make sure that fans were getting a good, quality Star Wars thing. Even when movies hadn't been produced for almost two decades, the Star Wars franchise prospered, and the community was happy.

Disney has had the property for eight years now, and look at what they have done. They canceled Clone Wars. They discarded the beloved EU that had been carefully built for the past twenty years, all in the name of "freeing them up for new ideas"... only to then shittily rehash the Original Trilogy. Kathleen Kennedy even had the gall to say that "creating the sequel trilogy is hard because we don't have a library of story ideas to draw upon". They completely botch their trilogy, not even bothering to make sure that they had an overarching story outline, with Abrams making crap up without bothering to figure out how it'd be answered, Rian coming in and trampling everything to the point that Colin Trevorrow threw his hands up. After Disney served their fans shit, they then called the fans "entitled, sexist bigots" for not liking shit. SHIT IS SHIT! The number of Star Wars video games has slowed down to an abysmal trickle. Disney sold the exclusive rights to make Star Wars video games to EA, who have only made... three Star Wars games. Two of which were half-assed remakes of older games to capitalize on brand recognition and were stuffed with predatory microtransactions (imagine that happening in a $60 Star Wars game released while George Lucas was in charge).

Disney bought Marvel when it was bankrupt, and the quality of the Marvel has not improved since. The only good Marvel has done for Disney is give it the rights to milk characters onscreen that gen Y and Xers are nostalgic for.



Star Wars is dead folks. It's been dead for eight years, and it's never coming back. Everything after 2012 is high budget shitty fan fiction. You need to let it go and move on with your life. It's important to look at things that aren't Star Wars. Read books, manga, and watch anime. Books are so cheap and easy to make that there are great reads out there in the sheer amount of books there are, more than you can possibly read. Movies cost so much money to make that by the time they reach the theaters, they've been stripped of all originality in order to play it safe and make their money back. A lot of books take ten hours to read. Five bad movies make you angry. One good book makes you happy.

There are hundreds and hundreds of amazing space opera fiction to read. Read the Combat Frame XSeeD or the Honor Harrington series. Read Dune. Read manga and anime. There are hundreds of space opera anime and mangas. Watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes (watch My Conquest is the Sea of Stars, then Overture to the New War, and then watch the 110 episode series) and Gundam. Here, I will even give you a guide to help get you started. I personally recommend either starting with the original show (if you can stand the old animation), Gundam Wing, or Gundam Iron-Blooded Orphans).

Here is a fanart to get you enticed to try out the epic, the AMAZING Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans! Hell the very title of the show says that you are in for a wild ride! Watch it subbed or dubbed!

Attempting to derail threads and discussing forbidden topics isn't allowed. Infracted.

[Kyphael]

John Favreau? Last I heard, wasn't Kevin Feige supposed to be head of creative for future Star Wars films? They tried Favreau and he made a very overrated movie, then handed the reins off to Rian Johnson with no clear plotline and the rest is history. Don't see why they'd want him involved anymore.

As bad as the new trilogy is, I don't see Disney attempting to erase or retcon them. No matter how bad they are, they are Fisher's last films, and likely Hamill and Ford too as they're no spring chickens and probably wouldn't commit to another trilogy, Ford especially. The bad PR alone would be a nightmare. Just leave... uh, bad enough alone, and do a time skip or do films based on older stories like KoTR, or even come up with new stories. The Mandalorian shows coming up with new stories isn't impossible in the hands of capable and passionate people.

[HitRefresh]

If true,
Could we be seeing an appropriate sequel to Luke Skywalker's [EP. 4,5, & 6] Era? How will they do this without Carrie? Or we will get a prequel to the prequel and leave 4,5 and 6 alone?


Source: https://www.deseret.com/entertainmen...e-of-skywalker

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John Favreau? Last I heard, wasn't Kevin Feige supposed to be head of creative for future Star Wars films? They tried Favreau and he made a very overrated movie, then handed the reins off to Rian Johnson with no clear plotline and the rest is history. Don't see why they'd want him involved anymore.

As bad as the new trilogy is, I don't see Disney attempting to erase or retcon them. No matter how bad they are, they are Fisher's last films, and likely Hamill and Ford too as they're no spring chickens and probably wouldn't commit to another trilogy, Ford especially. The bad PR alone would be a nightmare. Just leave... uh, bad enough alone, and do a time skip or do films based on older stories like KoTR, or even come up with new stories. The Mandalorian shows coming up with new stories isn't impossible in the hands of capable and passionate people.

You seem to be confusing JJ Abrams for Favreau. Favreau wasn't involved until The Mandalorian, where he was writer and executive producer.

[Endus]

It's a dumb rumor.

There's no way any attempt to "re-do" any of episodes 1-9 will ever be met with applause. Just not ever gonna happen. Plus, reworking anything in Eps 1-3 hoses the Clone Wars series, and that's actually decent once you get past the first couple seasons (just finished it last week, stupid late I know, the first two seasons were not good, but seasons 3-7 are mostly pretty damned amazing. Haven't started Rebels yet, it's up next.)

Eps 7-9 just underscore why it's a really bad idea to have two writers and directors doing competing versions from film to film, taking only the barest of hints from each other beyond cast and characters. Honestly, if Rian Johnson had the series for all three films, it probably would've been amazing. It's Abrams' films that are filled with the more-egregious nonsense; Rian Johnson's desire to flip assumptions on their head makes sense, for a third trilogy, to avoid being repetitive. It ends up rushed, because he's only getting to do one film, and it's the inconsistency with his and Abrams' films which make the whole trilogy nonsense.

Rebooting just fucks things up. Don't introduce time travel. Unless your story is time travel, time travel is just giving up and ruining your franchise.

They're probably just going to wildly shift the timeline to either the High Republic, as previously rumored, or just skip 200-1000 years into the future, so everything's changed and we can rebuild the intervening centuries with whatever history we want. Render the Skywalker Saga irrelevant to anything going on in that time, either because it's distant future or past.

[Syegfryed]

they just need to erase those 3 movies from the records, said they are not canon, and create a new decent trilogy, hopeful not attached with the Skywalkers, that pass after the episode VI, like the Mandalorian series

[Kyphael]

You seem to be confusing JJ Abrams for Favreau. Favreau wasn't involved until The Mandalorian, where he was writer and executive producer.

D'oh, I so am. I'm sleepy. I'll show myself out, thanks.

[shadowmatrix]

Just rumors IMO, if Star Wars survived midichlorians it will survive this.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

It's a dumb rumor.

There's no way any attempt to "re-do" any of episodes 1-9 will ever be met with applause. Just not ever gonna happen. Plus, reworking anything in Eps 1-3 hoses the Clone Wars series, and that's actually decent once you get past the first couple seasons (just finished it last week, stupid late I know, the first two seasons were not good, but seasons 3-7 are mostly pretty damned amazing. Haven't started Rebels yet, it's up next.)

Eps 7-9 just underscore why it's a really bad idea to have two writers and directors doing competing versions from film to film, taking only the barest of hints from each other beyond cast and characters. Honestly, if Rian Johnson had the series for all three films, it probably would've been amazing. It's Abrams' films that are filled with the more-egregious nonsense; Rian Johnson's desire to flip assumptions on their head makes sense, for a third trilogy, to avoid being repetitive. It ends up rushed, because he's only getting to do one film, and it's the inconsistency with his and Abrams' films which make the whole trilogy nonsense.

Rebooting just fucks things up. Don't introduce time travel. Unless your story is time travel, time travel is just giving up and ruining your franchise.

They're probably just going to wildly shift the timeline to either the High Republic, as previously rumored, or just skip 200-1000 years into the future, so everything's changed and we can rebuild the intervening centuries with whatever history we want. Render the Skywalker Saga irrelevant to anything going on in that time, either because it's distant future or past.

I think by the article it only meant retconning the 3 2015-2019 movies

[Malikath]

I hope they do, yeah sure we'll never get the sequels we should of gotten with Hammil, Ford, Fisher, Baker and Mayhew.
But at least this retarded shit will cease being the overwriting canon and the idiots who made it ran out of the industry.

[LilSaihah]

Why?
Mandalorian was a great series and was completely out of the way of the sequel trilogy.
Clone Wars was good enough to earn another season recently is quite popular. It's probably made the most popular modern Star Wars character in Ahsoka, too.

Just work around the sequel trilogy.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Say what you will about George Lucas, but he gave a damn about his name. He had integrity. After George released RotJ, George was tired of Star Wars, but he still gave a damn about the people who loved Star Wars, so he allowed other creators to give their takes on Star Wars. Thus, we got the Expanded Universe and hundreds of Star Wars games. Lucas didn't sit back and let other people throw shit at the wall and milk the IP dry; Lucasfilm carefully curated each book and game to make sure that fans were getting a good, quality Star Wars thing. Even when movies hadn't been produced for almost two decades, the Star Wars franchise prospered, and the community was happy.

Lucas absolutely sat back and let other people throw shit at the wall and milk the IP it’s why the EU was just a disjointed mess that even he retconned when he made the prequel trilogy. He said multiple times that he didn’t read any of the EU and it wasn’t his universe it was in no way a show of integrity

Disney bought Marvel when it was bankrupt, and the quality of the Marvel has not improved since. The only good Marvel has done for Disney is give it the rights to milk characters onscreen that gen Y and Xers are nostalgic for.

marvel wasn’t bankrupt in 2009 it has well past recovered from the 1990 disaster it was in and marvel and Disney have put out the highest quality super hero movies we have ever gotten to the point where they set the new top grossing.

Read books, manga, and watch anime. Books are so cheap and easy to make that there are great reads out there in the sheer amount of books there are, more than you can possibly read. Movies cost so much money to make that by the time they reach the theaters, they've been stripped of all originality in order to play it safe and make their money back. A lot of books take ten hours to read. Five bad movies make you angry. One good book makes you happy

books and movies aren’t comparable out side of being a form of media they are nothing alike and you could easily say the same thing about reading books give bad books make you angry one good movie makes you happy.

[Endus]

I think by the article it only meant retconning the 3 2015-2019 movies

Still super duper dumb. There's a lot to like in those films. There's a lot to dislike, but the same can be said of the prequels. Even the OT, to a lesser extent.

If they're a problem, just shift the setting's time period far enough out that nothing going on around this era matters any more. Basically nothing from the Old Republic era matters to the Skywalker saga, so just do the same thing again, in the other direction.

That functions as a "reboot", since you start with a largely clean slate, other than the basic concepts of lightsabers, hyperdrives, the Force, Light Side and Dark Side. And won't piss anyone off, or at least not because of any potential canon issues or memories.

[Schattenlied]

if Star Wars survived midichlorians it will survive this.

Midichlorians, as stupid as they were, were a lot less stupid than these last three movies... I'd watch the prequels 50 times over before I'd watch the new trilogy again once.

[Rennadrel]

The extended universe is a lot more consistent post-ROTJ than the stuff prior. Sure, there was some retconning of the Jedi Academy trilogy done in a later book as there was some continuity issues, but that's where they should have gone. They still could, but they'd have to find a younger Han Solo, I think Hamil could still do Luke. Either way, Disney has shit all over the franchise and is more concerned with woke politics than getting the loyal Star Wars fans back. When one of your biggest money makers in toys isn't selling, and they blatantly tried to cover up the toys for TFA by not telling retailers what they were getting until the movie was out, well, you dun goofed big time.

[Kaleredar]

Good lord. Really... with this nonsense?

The Star Wars sequels came out. Some people liked all of them. Some people liked some of them. Some people liked none of them. They made Disney a boatload of money.

They happened. They’re done. Maybe they weren’t what you wanted story-wise, maybe you thought Luke should have force-thrown all those AT-ATs into the sun, maybe you get uppity about made up space physics in your space wizard movie. Maybe you think Kathleen Kennedy is the source of all evil in the media world and is conspiring to turn everyone into purple-haired lesbians. I don’t know; I’ve heard a lot of valid, and a lot of completely batshit stupid, complaints about these movies.

But whatever your little pet issue is... fucking deal with it. I think every Jurassic park sequel is an affront to the original Jurassic Park, but I’m not demanding some hundred-million dollar overhaul of the entire franchise so I can feel good about myself and some science fiction film franchise.

This isn’t the Snyder cut, where a financial and critical disappointment of a film sits in a different semi-completed form on a shelf somewhere awaiting post-production and some pick-up shots.

It’s over. This trilogy is finished. Done. Move on with your lives. You should be wanting NEW Star Wars stuff like the mandalorian or rebels or clone wars, not a re-do of the things you didn’t like until you feel that whoever did it right. Because someone is always gonna be unhappy.

All of these pointless rumors do no one any good.

[exochaft]

Still super duper dumb. There's a lot to like in those films. There's a lot to dislike, but the same can be said of the prequels. Even the OT, to a lesser extent.

If they're a problem, just shift the setting's time period far enough out that nothing going on around this era matters any more. Basically nothing from the Old Republic era matters to the Skywalker saga, so just do the same thing again, in the other direction.

That functions as a "reboot", since you start with a largely clean slate, other than the basic concepts of lightsabers, hyperdrives, the Force, Light Side and Dark Side. And won't piss anyone off, or at least not because of any potential canon issues or memories.

The problem is that the people that brought us the latest trilogy and have control of the Star Wars franchise don't think that way. There's a festering mentality of "our content didn't perform as well as we want, but it wasn't our fault! But we'll try again to make it better using the same formula so everyone will understand how awesome our ideas are!" Or least some version of that mentality where they're living in their own bubble, similar to vanity projects that get made just so the creators can make something to soothe their own ego versus tailor content for audiences to generally enjoy. When rewatching the movies, it's painfully obvious to see all the bits and pieces that are not in the movies to genuinely entertain the audience but soothe someone's ego.

But I do agree that they shouldn't even attempt to reboot the latest trilogy, especially if there isn't a huge shake-up in the executive department installing individuals that actually care about the content more than <insert random cause/desire that doesn't make a good movie>. Disney has already destroyed a massive amount of faith the Star Wars fan base has in their ability to make great movies, and in doing so Disney has set the bar pretty high in terms of how great of a movie a reboot has to be in order to restore faith. This effect even extends to their other movie projects, as people are going to be less inclined to go see a Star Wars movie since faith in the brand and creator is much lower than before TFA. As the saying goes, you only get one chance to make a good first impression... Disney didn't make a good first impression, and that will stick unless they create some really amazing movies.

[Zuben]

I'd rather they stick to prequels and spinoffs. Force Awakens was good, then they fucked it up. Leave it at that and look what else SW universe has to offer. I've had my fill with the galactic war.

[Orby]

No more trilogies.... More single story movies I say. Maybe why I think Rogue One is one of my favourite Star Wars movies is because of this fact.

[Dread Pirate Phayde]

I can't see them redoing the sequel trilogy, first it would admit they weren't well received, which depends on which you talk to, plus none of the actors want to return, so the lack of OT characters right there wouldn't sit well with many fans, then there are the theme parks they spent $1 billion on, they aren't going to redesign everything to erase the ST, plus with the pandemic, Disney has been bleeding cash.

Love it or hate it, the ST stands, move on with new stories and new characters.