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    Horde Void Connection?

    It's odd to me that Blizzard has been building up the Light/Void conflict for awhile, but hasn't seeded any Void characters or groups on the Horde


    Alliance has lightforged and lots of normal light worshipping folks, plus void elves (and to a lesser extent the tidepriests) for its void connection

    Horde has Sunwell and a smattering of light influenced groups through other faiths (Sunwalkers, Rezan)

    But it lacks any void major characters, and the forgotten shadow cult hasn't gotten anything more than a very cursory mention in legion.

    What's up with that?
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    the battle isn't light vs. void, its light vs. void vs. undead --- and horde are primely set up for undead
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    Quote Originally Posted by wushootaki View Post
    the battle isn't light vs. void, its light vs. void vs. undead --- and horde are primely set up for undead
    They've done a poor job seeding that imo

    All the grand cosmic stuff seems set up for light vs void and Death seems to be all set to get resolved in SL

    Plus night warrior gives Alliance Death stuff so it's still uneven
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    They've done a poor job seeding that imo

    All the grand cosmic stuff seems set up for light vs void and Death seems to be all set to get resolved in SL

    Plus night warrior gives Alliance Death stuff so it's still uneven
    Night Warrior isn't really "death stuff". It's something different that they really haven't bothered explaining, much like all of Elune.

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    The horde still has characters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    What's up with that?
    Horde has a massive story of bad decisions done by corrupted individuals and it will never allow Void-aligned races or Light-infused freaks into their ranks as easily as the Alliance did.

    Hell, they barely trust their Warlocks.

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    Why does it need a connection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Chozo View Post
    Horde has a massive story of bad decisions done by corrupted individuals and it will never allow Void-aligned races or Light-infused freaks into their ranks as easily as the Alliance did.
    Are you sure about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    I'm pretty sure she's considered Undead by the people who meet her, no?

    I mean, it looks like a regular Undead Priest instead of someone completely Lightforged, similar to how a Undead looks like a.... corpse, instead of someone bursting with Necromantic magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StationaryHawk View Post
    Why does it need a connection?
    Ostensibly, it doesn't, but...

    It'd really help to keep the faction relevant and meaningful in the inevitable conflict, and also because the Horde having less void stuff than the Alliance is just *weird* given how they shoehorned one into the Light-heavy Alliance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atriel View Post
    Night Warrior isn't really "death stuff". It's something different that they really haven't bothered explaining, much like all of Elune.
    The Night Warrior is the aspect of Elune that "sends the dead across the sky as stars" or something, so it's got death ties.

    But my point remains that the narrative has been building up this big Light/Void confrontation and death has only been tossed in as a third force in the past expac and still doesn't seem on the same footing as the other two.
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    If we're pulling strings here Mag'har have clans that use the void, what with what goes on in Shadowmoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    They've done a poor job seeding that imo

    All the grand cosmic stuff seems set up for light vs void and Death seems to be all set to get resolved in SL

    Plus night warrior gives Alliance Death stuff so it's still uneven
    Since when does Night Warrior have anything to do with Death or Undeath? Night Warriors are about Elune's Wrath...anyone can enact wrath, it has nothing to do with Death or Undeath other than the end result may be someone or something dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Ostensibly, it doesn't, but...

    It'd really help to keep the faction relevant and meaningful in the inevitable conflict, and also because the Horde having less void stuff than the Alliance is just *weird* given how they shoehorned one into the Light-heavy Alliance.
    I disagree. The Horde is built around a people that had their land destroyed by fel magic, and their people driven to bloodlust by demons, and it still didn't earn them a place on the Vindicaar. Practitioners of void magic are not what they need to be relevant, nor are any of their members more inclined to do so than the Alliance.

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    Lady Liadrin can represent The Light on The Horde side in a Void vs. Light conflcit. Blizzard doesn't really develop Horde characters anymore unless it's to vilify them, or make them Alliance sympathizers, so you make a good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razion View Post
    If we're pulling strings here Mag'har have clans that use the void, what with what goes on in Shadowmoon.
    That's true but most maghar stuff has emphasized their industrial nature rather than void magic, and there's no character tied to the Shadowmoon remnants sadly

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    Quote Originally Posted by StationaryHawk View Post
    I disagree. The Horde is built around a people that had their land destroyed by fel magic, and their people driven to bloodlust by demons, and it still didn't earn them a place on the Vindicaar. Practitioners of void magic are not what they need to be relevant, nor are any of their members more inclined to do so than the Alliance.
    Are you making a Doylist argument or a Watsonian argument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Chozo View Post
    Horde has a massive story of bad decisions done by corrupted individuals and it will never allow Void-aligned races or Light-infused freaks into their ranks as easily as the Alliance did.

    Hell, they barely trust their Warlocks.
    I think you should take another look at how Calia is getting shoehorned in as the face of the forsaken. Cause they can't find any other actual forsaken to lead (should have been a major red flag when Voss suddenly became forsaken formally and none of the other named forsaken figures are anywhere near the plot).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    The horde still has characters?
    Nope, and expect MoP 3.0 when the writers think the Horde players still haven't learned "War is bad, maaaaaaaan."
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    The Horde is basically the guy that gets mad that the guy that they just beat the crap out of had the audacity to bleed on them.
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    there is tons of shadow users in the horde, forsakens and trolls by example with their shadow hunters and witch doctors, shadow is a form of void magic anyway

    in contrast, horde got the shadowmoon clan from AU universe, they are very related to the void with all the AU dark naaru stuff

    both options are possible to make this "connection" even if isn't necessary

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickybrighteyes View Post
    I think you should take another look at how Calia is getting shoehorned in as the face of the forsaken. Cause they can't find any other actual forsaken to lead (should have been a major red flag when Voss suddenly became forsaken formally and none of the other named forsaken figures are anywhere near the plot).
    1 - She's just an Undead. Yes, risen by the Light, but she's only one and looks like a clean undead. Other Forsaken were risen by regular necromancy but they aren't bursting with that magic - neither is Calia "infused" (visibily at least) by Holy Magic.
    2 - Helcular for President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Chozo View Post
    1 - She's just an Undead. Yes, risen by the Light, but she's only one and looks like a clean undead. Other Forsaken were risen by regular necromancy but they aren't bursting with that magic - neither is Calia "infused" (visibily at least) by Holy Magic.
    2 - Helcular for President.
    on point 2, not sure Helculler is forsaken either. thought he was just a random undead who had a chip on his shoulder over South Shore. going to have to look at him again for post cata story.

    as for point 1.... I think the bold indicates that she IS infused in some way. Also she visibly seems to have a different hue for her eye glow that might be taken as "light". Other undead seem to have a more dim yellow-ish hue or blue or red?

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