Horde Void Connection?

[Razion]

That's true but most maghar stuff has emphasized their industrial nature rather than void magic, and there's no character tied to the Shadowmoon remnants sadly

It would probably require something like AU Ner'zhul's mate Rulkan, currently a shaman, to turn to the void like he did for a Shadowmoon representative... but even then, she's currently allied with the Alliance so it doesn't help the Horde case unless she also switched allegiances as well.

But in terms of other Mag'har clans, one possibility may be Jorin Deadeye, son of late Kilrogg Deadeye, who currently leads the MU Bleeding Hollow clan as its Warchief. His cloth equipment seems to suggest he's a priest, acolyte, or necromancer. He currently resides in Garadar, Nagrand and is friendly to Horde players.

[Skytotem]

It would probably require something like AU Ner'zhul's mate Rulkan, currently a shaman, to turn to the void like he did for a Shadowmoon representative... but even then, she's currently allied with the Alliance so it doesn't help the Horde case unless she also switched allegiances as well.

But in terms of other Mag'har clans, one possibility may be Jorin Deadeye, son of late Kilrogg Deadeye, who currently leads the MU Bleeding Hollow clan as its Warchief. His cloth equipment seems to suggest he's a priest, acolyte, or necromancer. He currently resides in Garadar, Nagrand and is friendly to Horde players.

That'd be awesome but Blizz has an odd habit of not using existing characters when they really should?

[javierdsv]

I mean, Magister Umbric is your horde connection. It's just you gave him up and Alleria grabbed the chance.

[vilememory]

Because it won't be the Light vs Void, it is going to be the Light, Void, and Alliance vs The fucking Horde again! Because we lost our way yet again and somehow we got Magatha and Gul'dans leading the Horde. Yeah, Gul'dans plural we got the AU and the MU Gul'dans out of the Shadowlands and gave them life. The entire expansion is just Magatha and the Gul'dans all fighting each other while the rest of the Horde tries to get as much weed and booze as they can. Because we are so god damned tired of all of this, the Horde should have just disbanded with the death of Saurfang. Oh we need a toss away thing here as well, uhhhhh THE FOURTH UNKNOWN WINDRUNNER SISTER WHO REALLY TOOK AFTER SYLVANAS! She has returned from exile to seek revenge for her best friend sister ever!

[Skytotem]

I mean, Magister Umbric is your horde connection. It's just you gave him up and Alleria grabbed the chance.

Umbric didn't EXIST before the void elf plot :P

[javierdsv]

Umbric didn't EXIST before the void elf plot :P

So you're saying the Void Elves were made up from nothing? :O how dare you insult Blizzard writers.
Imagine being a Magister of Quel'Thalas and people not remembering you.

[Rune B]

Actually, The Light is moving to put its pawns into position in both the Alliance and the Horde, with people like Turalyon and Calia.

[StaeleAilar]

Horde has a massive story of bad decisions done by corrupted individuals and it will never allow Void-aligned races or Light-infused freaks into their ranks as easily as the Alliance did.

Hell, they barely trust their Warlocks.

Yeah nah, they much rather allow genocidal individuals to lead the horde as opposed to let anyone influenced by a specific spell school amirite? lol

I'd be suprised if they make it so the horde represents undeath *just because of the forsaken* but who knows anymore.

[LuminaL]

Lady Liadrin can represent The Light on The Horde side in a Void vs. Light conflcit. Blizzard doesn't really develop Horde characters anymore unless it's to vilify them, or make them Alliance sympathizers, so you make a good point.

The greatest thing that ever happened to Cairne was dying so they wouldn't turn him into Baine.

they dont really develop anyone anymore unless to ruin their character or annoy a faction at best. its not just in the horde that this happens. we had magni turned into a diamond and became natural. anduin is a horde sympathizer as much as Baine is alliance sympathizer.

look at Jaina, she got her city destroyed by horde ( and in process her best friends and people died ) and then got her brother turned into an undead by sylvanas yet instead of joining tyrande she agrees with anduin.
and speaking of tyrande, Im pretty sure she will become a villain in the next pack after shadowlands, if OF COURSE she dont become one by the end of SL.

I dont remember if it was a datamining or a PTR update but she had a dialogue in which she said something in lines of she is willing to pay any price to bring sylvanas to justice. do you remember who was the last person who said similar thing and what happened to him ?

[Syegfryed]

we had magni turned into a diamond and became natural.

i mean, he was dead", at least is a alliance character coming back

anduin is a horde sympathizer as much as Baine is alliance sympathizer.

did Anduin already betrayed his own faction to be equal as Baine? don't think so

and speaking of tyrande, Im pretty sure she will become a villain in the next pack after shadowlands, if OF COURSE she dont become one by the end of SL.

alliance charactes becoming villains? nah, more easy she dying for a greater good.

[cparle87]

Horde has a massive story of bad decisions done by corrupted individuals and it will never allow Void-aligned races or Light-infused freaks into their ranks as easily as the Alliance did.

Hell, they barely trust their Warlocks.

I always thought that was one of the heights of hypocrisy on Garrosh's part. He straight up murders every warlock in Orgrimmar, and berates Thrall for "allowing them to practice their dark magic right under our feet" while utilizing shadow magic and dark shamanism and old god power. Seems he just tunnel visioned on fel as the only bad magic while everything else is something he can use.

[Chonar]

I don't think we need Light/Void equalized over the alliance and horde. In fact, if the story creates a greater schism between void-aligned and light-aligned characters, it's likely to create inner turmoil within the Alliance.

And then the Horde will be the more stable faction.

That's been a legitimate critisism of the story for a while. The Horde always being the most interesting-because-unstable faction, with the alliance being the boring-because-stable one. The way the Light vs Void story is being approached could change this up.

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I always thought that was one of the heights of hypocrisy on Garrosh's part. He straight up murders every warlock in Orgrimmar, and berates Thrall for "allowing them to practice their dark magic right under our feet" while utilizing shadow magic and dark shamanism and old god power. Seems he just tunnel visioned on fel as the only bad magic while everything else is something he can use.

It's all he knew. He was someone acting on all of the knowledge he had.
... Which wasn't a lot, or in any way complete.

[Syegfryed]

Seems he just tunnel visioned on fel as the only bad magic while everything else is something he can use.

thats because blizzard did a 180° change on him, to vilify him enough to be an villain.

Garrosh grow up in the "pure" shaman society, he would never allow dark shamanism neither old god corruption powers, the Mogu magic make sense but not this.

[Super Dickmann]

@cparle87 @Syegfryed

While the hypocrisy is something you can argue on, I do think there's an argument to be made regarding treating fel and void magic differently.

Fel is not sentient - it makes you angrier or bigger or what have you, but it doesn't have an agenda. In turn, no matter how or why you use it, you will always have side-effects. Radiation will turn you or your eyes green, continued usage will fuck with you, those around you and your environment irrespective of intent or level of control. The means are themselves an uncontrollable ends. Mix that with the orcish background - how use of fel magic and easy power is equated with submission and slavery which the orcs already have a deep-seated objection and how those who continue to do it anyway are either party to or wrong in that regard. Fel is easy and requires no real will to use, but it also does things regardless of if you want them or not. An emaciated captive apprentice can chuck enough demon fire to kill an ogre, but even the most powerful warlock can't keep his magic from being powered by drained life and is thus parasitic by default.

The Void on the other hand is more evil and has a goal. It is inherently maddening. But it ultimately answers to your will - if you can go jump through the requisite hoops and don't go insane while using it, then it'll do exactly what you want for it to do. It is in other words a viable tool if you meet the criteria. Most people will go insane, sure, and you are dancing with the devil since you're fighting against a sentient power that wants to destroy you and everyone around you. But if you are one of those who has the strength of will to do it - like Garrosh, Malkorok, Alleria, the void elves and so forth are, then you have an extremely powerful tool without excess cost. It's hard but rewarding and it puts you in a position of control, which appeals to the orcish mindset a lot more, especially Garrosh's view.

Both are bad, but they're bad in different ways and keeping one but not the other is ideologically coherent.

When it comes to dark shamanism it's a complete crapshoot - we know that forcing the elements and still being a shaman can be fine, like what the taunka do. We're also told that dark shamanism of the kind that brings in molten giants can end the world in some nonspecific way, but we also see the Dark Irons do it. It's all fairly poorly explained. It gets especially iffy since there's several means of Dark Shamanism - the AU Warsong do it through void, but the main universe ones probably use Decay, given the aesthetic. The taunka just beat up the spirits and goblins can bribe them and so forth. The attitude too is a mystery - even someone like AU Blackhand is extremely respectful of the elements, but it's never touched on how that gels with other parts of the Iron Horde using dark shamanism. I don't think Blizzard really thought through its cultural role for the orcs in any broader sense, which is why it doesn't come up all that much.

On-topic: Shadowmoon Mag'har, Cult of the Forgotten Shadow would both offer opportunities, but since there's no characters associated with either that are Horde-side I doubt it'll ever come up.

[Alanar]

They've done a poor job seeding that imo

All the grand cosmic stuff seems set up for light vs void and Death seems to be all set to get resolved in SL

Maybe, but by resolving you mean machine of death is fixed and anima flows in the right ways right? So death will always excist, you wont stop death.

The reason why Death is more interesting and believeable is because death has a set of rules that are hard to pass by. Void vs light is kinda hollow if you try to find their motivations. If we get a light vs void expansion the outcome is already known.. its ying and yang, meaning they cant excist with one other gone. Maybe its not yet as fleshed out.. but as of right now Death seems something everyone has to deal with in one way or another. Why death wasnt proven to be the strongest is to me a much bigger question.

[Tharivor]

The races of the Horde have plenty of links with the Shadow: troll and forsaken priests were after all the original canon shadow-priests, and the latter still have their whole religion dedicated to it. And that's not even mentioning the AU Shadowmoon that others have cited.

This is however "old lore"- non-tentacle Shadow priests are boring, Void Elves are the new cool, and the Alliance ofc must by necessity take centre stage in any PvE expansion. So while the lore is there don't hold your breath for any Horde presence in any future Void themed expansion.

[Wylyth1992]

I mean, Magister Umbric is your horde connection. It's just you gave him up and Alleria grabbed the chance.

No one forced him and his allies to leave the Horde, just that they couldn't go to Silvermoon because Silvermoon believed their void magic was a threat to the Sunwell, a threat that was proven true.

[Rhlor]

maghar shadowmoon

[Unholyground]

Light is just as evil as the Void so keep that in mind, both forces are looking to get to the same goal by ANY means necessary, they just go about it in their own ways.

[Wylyth1992]

Light is just as evil as the Void so keep that in mind, both forces are looking to get to the same goal by ANY means necessary, they just go about it in their own ways.

Um, no, the Light is NOT evil, it just has followers who go too far in their fanaticism.