UK offers 3mil Hong Kong Residents Citizenship offer

[Lynarii]

I don't think Britain will need to accept all 3M HK immigrants. Most HKengrs would prefer to go to Taiwan, Singapore, Australia, Canada, and then Britain & New Zealand. In that order. The US would be ahead of Britain on that list if the Country is still open to immigrants.

There's almost no chance that Britain will need to accept all 3M people for a lot of reasons. But if the offer is legitimate, they should at least have a plan in place on the extremely rare chance that they do in fact get asked to take them all. It's kinda bad faith to make an offer while being all "God I hope very few, if any, take it because we can't deliver otherwise!"

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Wouldn't these people be more comfortable in Taiwan though? (assuming they actually are into this emigration idea)

An offer isn't about where they would be more comfortable, exactly. It's just opening up an option. If they would rather go to Taiwan, or really one of several other options most likely, they should absolutely be able to do so. What is important right now is to make sure that they are not trapped, as long as that is the case then they can go or even stay where they are if they feel it best.

[lagiacrux]

For all those who think "Hong Kong people will be the *welcome* type of immigrants" in Great Britain are fooling themselves. I'm natively Indian (though I've lived in the U.S. for more than 35 years at this point), and most of my family who has left India has gone to England. Indians and South Asians also tend to be very highly educated, and yet my cousins have consistently, their whole lives, been pursued with cries of "Paki!" and worse throughout all of jolly ole England. Despite curries now somehow being the "national food" of England, Indians and Pakistanis have suffered a great deal as immigrants to England. Only now, a good 50 years after that flow of immigration started, are things normalizing for them, and that's because many of these Indian families are in their 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th generations in the UK.

Not to mention, Indians speak better English than most of those from Hong Kong because the Indian government after Independence in 1947 prioritized English education, knowing they'd have to be world citizens sooner rather than later.

Let's just gloss over the inherent racism of a "good type" of immigrant and how that's kind of a bullshit dichotomy.

yeah, but they are not muslim, or look like muslims, so they're fine

[Coolthulhu]

Right so the way it works is that the Chinese government's likelihood of punishing a citizen for disagreeing with the government is proportional to the size of their audience. If you're a nobody with a small audience they don't really enforce speech policy because it's not practical to do so.

Well, the people I hanged with weren’t exactly nobodies, nobodies can’t afford that kind of clubs in Shenzhen. Likewise, I’m pretty sure a “nobody” would get arrested for yelling anti-government stuff in the middle of Tiananmen Square. Social status isn’t a factor, I don’t think; context and size of the audience seem more like it. The risk of delation is there I suppose, but nothing comparable to how the DDR was.

[PC2]

Well, the people I hanged with weren’t exactly nobodies, nobodies can’t afford that kind of clubs in Shenzhen. Likewise, I’m pretty sure a “nobody” would get arrested for yelling anti-government stuff in the middle of Tiananmen Square. Social status isn’t a factor, I don’t think; context and size of the audience seem more like it. The risk of delation is there I suppose, but nothing comparable to how the DDR was.

By "nobody" I ment they aren't well-known. There's no way a famous person could go around bad-mouthing the government a lot and then not get punished. Famous people actually have it much worse than the average Chinese person in that regard. They probably told you something in a very private setting that they would never say in public and especially over the internet. They have all types of algorithms that quickly find wrong-speak in digital information so it's really easy to get caught online but not when it comes to IRL conversations.

[Yadryonych]

nothing comparable to how the DDR was.

DDR was the same old Germany but with Hitler and Nazi removed, they didn't go through the several years of cucking like the American occupation zone

[Easo]

DDR was the same old Germany but with Hitler and Nazi removed, they didn't go through the several years of cucking like the American occupation zone

Cucking? Gee, I would have loved to be cucked like that, if that means that even 3 decades later the non-cucked half of the country is still behind.

[Felya]

DDR was the same old Germany but with Hitler and Nazi removed, they didn't go through the several years of cucking like the American occupation zone

You sure about that?

Radio Yerevan was asked: "Is it true that the poet Mayakovsky committed suicide?"
Radio Yerevan answered: "Yes, it is true, and even the record of his very last words is preserved: Don't shoot, comrades."

Radio Yerevan was asked: "It is true that there is freedom of speech in USSR (in some versions, Russia), just like in the USA?"
Radio Yerevan answered: "In principle, yes. In the USA, you can stand in front of the White House and yell, “Down with Reagan!”, and you will not be punished. Equally, you can also stand in the Red Square in Moscow and yell, “Down with Reagan!”, and you will not be punished."

Radio Yerevan was asked: "How many people of Russian origin live in Finland?"
Radio Yerevan answered: "There are enough to have a referendum."

Radio Yerevan was asked: "Comrades, will there be war?"
Radio Yerevan answered: "No, but there will be such a struggle for peace that everything will be razed to the ground."

Radio Yerevan was asked: "Could an atomic bomb destroy our beloved town, Yerevan, with its splendid buildings and beautiful gardens?"
Radio Yerevan answered: "In principle, yes. But Moscow is by far a more beautiful city."

Radio Yerevan was asked: "Why did they establish a Ministry of the Navy in landlocked Armenia. Do you have a sea?"
Radio Yerevan answered: "To spite Azerbaijan. They had established a Ministry of Culture."

Radio Yerevan was asked: "What is the socialist friendship of nations?"
Radio Yerevan answered: "It's when Armenians, Russians, Ukrainians, and all other peoples of the USSR unite in a brotherly manner and all together set out to beat up the Azeris."

Radio Yerevan was asked: "Is it correct that Grigori Grigorievich Grigoriev won a luxury car at the All-Union Championship in Moscow?"
Radio Yerevan answered: "In principle, yes. But first of all it was not Grigori Grigorievich Grigoriev, but Vassili Vassilievich Vassiliev; second, it was not at the All-Union Championship in Moscow, but at a Collective Farm Sports Festival in Smolensk; third, it was not a car, but a bicycle; and fourth he didn't win it, but rather it was stolen from him."

Radio Yerevan was asked: "When will life be better in the USSR?"
Radio Yerevan answered: "In the USSR, life already has been better."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Radio_of_Armenia

[Yadryonych]

Cucking? Gee, I would have loved to be cucked like that

I don't remember you being properly denazified, quite opposite, Nazi criminals are being praised all across tribaltics. Maybe some other day

You sure about that?

Very sure, horrendous humiliation and nation-blaming still severely strain German society

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_collective_guilt

[Sorshen]

Well, the people I hanged with weren’t exactly nobodies, nobodies can’t afford that kind of clubs in Shenzhen. Likewise, I’m pretty sure a “nobody” would get arrested for yelling anti-government stuff in the middle of Tiananmen Square. Social status isn’t a factor, I don’t think; context and size of the audience seem more like it. The risk of delation is there I suppose, but nothing comparable to how the DDR was.

There are better ways to curb dissent now (social score). Be loud enough, and you'll see your employment/travel options disappear while your friends distance themselves from you for fear of losing face cause of the association.

[Felya]

Very sure, horrendous humiliation and nation-blaming still severely strain German society

How is that possible, with the tremendous success Germany has had since the wall came down? I think your metrics for success are too cuck centric...

[Easo]

I don't remember you being properly denazified, quite opposite, Nazi criminals are being praised all across tribaltics. Maybe some other day



Very sure, horrendous humiliation and nation-blaming still severely strain German society

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_collective_guilt

Go on, write прибалтийские вымираты, I have a feeling that you want to. In the meantime, however, I will remind you that Nuremberg trials decided that the forced conscripts from Baltics (so the 15th, 19th and 20th divisions and other small units ) were not guilty in Nazi crimes. Said conscription by itself was another war crime by Nazi's. Soviet Union also did not really push about it during occupation period, it is the modern Russia which does that. Unless you want to disagree with said trials, which opens a huge, huge can of worms and involves USSR/Russia too. I am sure you don't want that xD
So try to read less RT propaganda, but actual history.

Oh noes, admitting that your ancestors were horrible people. What would the Germans ever do? Not to mention the obvious that it passes with time...
Best example of the difference still felt between DDR and GDR? Go to Berlin, then cross into East Berlin. It is still ridiculous, even now.
And yeah, by what metrics you even judge that? Because economy sure was not one xD

[Coolthulhu]

By "nobody" I ment they aren't well-known. There's no way a famous person could go around bad-mouthing the government a lot and then not get punished. Famous people actually have it much worse than the average Chinese person in that regard. They probably told you something in a very private setting that they would never say in public and especially over the internet. They have all types of algorithms that quickly find wrong-speak in digital information so it's really easy to get caught online but not when it comes to IRL conversations.

Well yes, of course. A table at an exclusive nightclub in downtown Shenzhen is a rather reserved setting. Alcohol was flowing, too. It didn’t happen during an official business meeting as I said. The people involved weren’t famous, either. Not the celebrity kind of famous at least. Well-known executives within their sector kind of famous more like, but nothing more.

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There are better ways to curb dissent now (social score). Be loud enough, and you'll see your employment/travel options disappear while your friends distance themselves from you for fear of losing face cause of the association.

Well, my stays in China have always been brief, but yes, that social score system is downright Orwellian. Then again, their whole concept of “face” has always been hard for me to come to terms with and adapt to. I’ve given people face and had people lose face on more than one occasion, always unintentionally. I have a more solid grasp of it now than I did a decade ago, but it’s still a matter of concern to me because I can’t fully absorb it.

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DDR was the same old Germany but with Hitler and Nazi removed, they didn't go through the several years of cucking like the American occupation zone

No, it was much more of a police state. Or rather, a spy state. With the amount of spying and delation that went down only the DPRK could be considered a worthy successor, and it’d probably still fall short in face of the Stasi’s tentacular omnipresence.

[Slant]

Good thing they left the EU to avoid all those immigrants then...

[Xarkan]

Good thing they left the EU to avoid all those immigrants then...

Wasnt that to avoid the commonwealth immigrants mostly anyhow..

That said it is probably a good way to point tell China that they actually can loose something if they continue down the current path

[Slant]

Wasnt that to avoid the commonwealth immigrants mostly anyhow..

That said it is probably a good way to point tell China that they actually can loose something if they continue down the current path

Don't think China cares, tbh. They got billions of drones to fill the void. What hurts them more is the USA cancelling the special status HK had. The rest of the planet should do the same and just treat HK as if it was mainland China. Sucks for everyone living in HK, tbh, but at some point we have to look to our own interests. Neither the US nor the EU can solve the world's problems. Especially not if they don't do it themselves.

Also, we're apparently busy being racists... getting real tired of the whole PC bullshit happening everywhere.

[Cerilis]

at least someone does something finally

can't have the authoritarians run around and do as they please

[Slant]

at least someone does something finally

can't have the authoritarians run around and do as they please

It's not helpful to anyone. It's an empty gesture. People tend to be unable to think two steps ahead everytime they talk about China. It's sad.

[Flarelaine]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Radio_of_Armenia

Most of those went around the Eastern Block but the one about Azerbaijan was new to me.

[LeGin Tufnel]

It's not helpful to anyone. It's an empty gesture. People tend to be unable to think two steps ahead everytime they talk about China. It's sad.

Why is it an empty gesture?

[Doctor Amadeus]

This is going to backfire spectacularly