Im afraid I cant see the bigger picture on cancelled tv shows/statues

[draynay]

"Solve the problem completely or do nothing, incremental change is too complicated for me to understand."

Not impressed with this thread.

[PACOX]

The only reason he got that attention is because of the backdrop of rioting and violence. His call for nonviolence would have fallen on deaf ears without it. A figure like Martin Luther King Jr. is absolutely reliant on figures like Malcolm X, who demonstrate the alternative to that nonviolence.

The civil rights movement of the '50s and '60s was absolutely and deeply rooted in violent resistance. Without that violence, it would never have gained any ground at all. King was critical in helping to provide an end to that violence, and deserves every bit of praise for doing so, but there would have been no reason to listen without that violence's existence in the first place.

Peacemakers can only exist when there is a war for them to end.

Better speak softly with me because the next guy has a big stick

[Aurgjelme]

In 2020 we have cops casual talking about war with peaceful protesters while taking breaks in between kicking their ads and people still want to cry about that chant.

Fragile.

I didn't know opposing organizations that calls for violence was a sign of fragility.

[Elegiac]

"Solve the problem completely or do nothing, incremental change is too complicated for me to understand."

Not impressed with this thread.

To quote Brit Hawthorne:

"Hi, I'm a white dude who likes to play devil's advocate because other people's struggles are theoretical to me. It's fun to debate their right to equality. While we're here, I would like to center my voice and perspectives about a cause that mean nothing to me! I'm here to take up all the oxygen in a room and exhaust people who are trying to fight against injustice so that we can maintain the status quo, which serves me. I have no interest in learning; your frustration is my ultimate goal. Let's engage!"

Basically sums up right wing and brocialist internet culture.

[PosPosPos]

No, I'm quite certain most sentient people would not approve of a message to kill cops, and to fry them like bacon.

And again, there's never that same outrage against bigotry, because you bigots are just using a handful of isolated extremists as excuse to continue being bigots.

Nice ad hominem buddy.

Nice confession buddy.

Yeah, that dude seems to be all "you're either with me or you're a RAHSIST!". You can't really have a dialogue with people who can only see in black and white.

I do not only see in black and white. It's just there are things where it's either black or white, such as you are either a bigot or you are not, there are no in-betweens or grey areas that bigots like you posit to have.

[PACOX]

I didn't know opposing organizations that calls for violence was a sign of fragility.

A phrase thats milder than most chants you'd hear at a sporting event is advocating violence and murder?

Whining about it is the definition of being fragile.

[PosPosPos]

I didn't know opposing organizations that calls for violence was a sign of fragility.

I didn't know the delusions and projections of bigots count as reality.

[Elegiac]

A phrase thats milder than most chants you'd hear at a sporting event is advocating violence and murder?

Whining about it is the definition of being fragile.

The police need a safe space from toxic protesters. Duh.

[Aurgjelme]

To quote Brit Hawthorne:

"Hi, I'm a white dude who likes to play devil's advocate because other people's struggles are theoretical to me. It's fun to debate their right to equality. While we're here, I would like to center my voice and perspectives about a cause that mean nothing to me! I'm here to take up all the oxygen in a room and exhaust people who are trying to fight against injustice so that we can maintain the status quo, which serves me. I have no interest in learning; your frustration is my ultimate goal. Let's engage!"

Basically sums up right wing and brocialist internet culture.

Hi Comrade Karen, how goes the fight against Western-prescribed nuclear family structure?

[PosPosPos]

Hi Comrade Karen, how goes the fight against Western-prescribed nuclear family structure?

Non-bigots are Karens to bigots apparently, it seems.

[Aurgjelme]

A phrase thats milder than most chants you'd hear at a sporting event is advocating violence and murder?

Whining about it is the definition of being fragile.

Yeah, no. You can call me fragile all you want. I'm still not going to back up anyone who calls for violence.
In fact, if that is being fragile, I'll wear it like a badge.

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And again, there's never that same outrage against bigotry, because you bigots are just using a handful of isolated extremists as excuse to continue being bigots.



Nice confession buddy.



I do not only see in black and white. It's just there are things where it's either black or white, such as you are either a bigot or you are not, there are no in-betweens or grey areas that bigots like you posit to have.

Ah, I remember who you are now. You're awfully fond of the word bigot aren't you?

[PACOX]

Yeah, no. You can call me fragile all you want. I'm still not going to back up anyone who calls for violence.
In fact, if that is being fragile, I'll wear it like a badge.

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Ah, I remember who you are now. You're awfully fond of the word bigot aren't you?

I believe it when you have same energy towards police assaulting peaceful people.

[PosPosPos]

I'm still not going to back up anyone who calls for violence.

And yet you associate with a group of violent bigots. Lies upon lies...

Ah, I remember who you are now. You're awfully fond of the word bigot aren't you?

I am awfully fond of labeling people based on their actions, and I do know you are one of the many bigots who hate being called bigots in spite of their bigoted words and actions.

[Aurgjelme]

Non-bigots are Karens to bigots apparently, it seems.

I mean, he/she is the one bringing up race in this discussion and tries to limit/ridicule said races ability to participate due to the amount of melanin in their skin.
It's perfectly fine though, its white people she's talking about

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I believe it when you have same energy towards police assaulting peaceful people.

I can denounce that here right now. Police attacking peaceful protesters is wrong. It's a disgrace.
It's far far worse than chanting said words. Does not mean I have to approve of them.

[Endus]

Hi Comrade Karen, how goes the fight against Western-prescribed nuclear family structure?

The nuclear family is not only "not prescribed", it is, as can basically be seen from the name itself, a fiction invented in the 1940s and '50s to push a particular societal shift, one which didn't even take root in any appreciable sense, which is why the concept itself is already falling apart.

It was a dumb idea then, and it's only brought up today as a means to argue against basic rights and equitable treatment for anyone who isn't a cisgendered straight couple with children.

McCarthy-era propaganda isn't a strong foundation for having a valid point.

[PosPosPos]

I mean, he/she is the one bringing up race in this discussion and tries to limit/ridicule said races ability to participate due to the amount of melanin in their skin.
It's perfectly fine though, its white people she's talking about

The fact you are denying the existence of institutional racism already proves you are racist. How is Elegiac supposed to "bring up" race when you were the ones bringing it up to begin with by pretending a problem isn't a problem?

I can denounce that here right now. Police attacking peaceful protesters is wrong. It's a disgrace.
It's far far worse than chanting said words. Does not mean I have to approve of them.

And yet your first concern in every similar thread is to zero in on a few isolated extremists calling for the police to die where the overwhelming majority flatly isn't, when the police are either complicit or actively inflicting violence on peaceful protestors, it's rather obvious where your loyalties lie.

[Ragnarohk]

I see many people for the defunding of the PD, but what about a reform regarding the qualifications and training?

"The duration of the training in the Police Academy varies for the different agencies. It usually takes about 13 to 19 weeks on average but can last up to six months." So you can be graduate in a little over 3 months? I mean, that's just ridiculous. Here in Germany it takes 3 years to graduate from the police academy.

https://golawenforcement.com/article...olice-officer/
https://www.ausbildungspark.com/news...20k%C3%B6nnen.

[Jotaux]

I think some stuff makes sense and some stuff is just changed so they can sweep everything else under the rug. It makes the story about the Golden Girls episode with mud masks and not about police brutality. However, I trust in Brooklyn Nine-Nine to make good episodes about this situation and I would encourage that.

They fired the guy that plays Elongated Man on the Flash for some tweets he made years ago. I find that kind of hypocritical for a show about redemption but I imagine they don't want to deal with the bad press from keeping him employed. The tweets I read were really bad, like wtf were you thinking bad.

[Elegiac]

I see many people for the defunding of the PD, but what about a reform regarding the qualifications and training?

"The duration of the training in the Police Academy varies for the different agencies. It usually takes about 13 to 19 weeks on average but can last up to six months." So you can be graduate in a little over 3 months? I mean, that's just ridiculous. Here in Germany it takes 3 years to graduate from the police academy.

https://golawenforcement.com/article...olice-officer/
https://www.ausbildungspark.com/news...20k%C3%B6nnen.

Here's the thing...



"Defund" also means "take money from policing and put it towards social services that would reduce the root causes of crime". The issue is multifaceted.

I'm sure that they can find money for better training even if you axed two thirds of LAPD's existing budget, for instance:

[Grimbold21]

In regard to the statues, there's already a thread for that.

As for the Entertainment industry examples, it's a mix of PR and covering their asses before the blog/twitter spheres fall on them.

The similarity between bringing down certain statues and acting to prevent the possible backlash over certain content lies in the lack of understanding. That or, like with statues, the complete disregard of what a statue may represent because the interpretation that aligns with one's agenda is that statues in a "Western" setting are representations of oppressive regimes.

It is as if we've forgotten that satire, jokes in general, or actors playing certain characters are not themselves representative of moral positions related to the situation that is being portrayed.