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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    They can’t... there is a travel ban, due to Trump fucking up covid response.
    Which country has good Covid response according to you then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    And the entire rustbelt got decimated.
    How so? What did Obama do, for the rust belt to be decimated? Bail out automotive industry, to save jobs, while people like Trump were losing their shit that’s it’s socialism?
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  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Sorry hun, one of my citizenships is Greek.

    *sad trombone noise for you*
    Greece is not western Europe so im happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    Which country has good Covid response according to you then?
    New Zealand... not sure why it maters... a lot of countries are not banned. The point, is you can’t tell people to go to Europe, because we can’t... thanks to Trump.
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  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    You had Obama as president for 8 years surely you could demonstrate something that Obama or the democrats did that was good for the working class?
    you mean any of the mountain of legislation that got filibustered? How about a bailout that actual made money for the federal gov, unlike trumps handouts to his buddies and other ridiculous unchecked corruption. Or you know the ACA

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    And the entire rustbelt got decimated.
    The rust belt workers would have been better positioned to resist mass layoffs if Republicans hadn't spent decades busting their unions. *sips tea*

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    Greece is not western Europe so im happy.
    You do know that Greece is part of the Schengen Area, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post

    I as a gay man would not feel safe under a second Trump term for the same reasons a Jewish person would not feel comfortable under a Hitler chancellery.

    The term is "emigre".
    You're welcome to apply as a refugee in the EU. Here, homosexuals and Jews have nothing to worry about oh wait no never mind that, try Canada or SEA. Or, you know, stay there. If you think Europe is drastically different, you're in for a surprise.

    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    I heard Iran is lovely this time of year perhaps you can migrate there?
    Why yes, the explosions near nuclear sites are especially lovely.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adolecent View Post
    I'm getting infracted by an American moderator on an American topic promoting/advocating weapons on a childrens forum, what else to expect on an American forum. I'm done here and i'm going to leave you one thing to remember:
    [extremely graphic picture of dead children]
    Hope you sleep well. With the lack of empathy the majority of you show i guess that won't be a problem. BB

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    New Zealand... not sure why it maters... a lot of countries are not banned. The point, is you can’t tell people to go to Europe, because we can’t... thanks to Trump.
    UGH They say ignorance is bliss dealing with it however is just a frigging headache

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolthulhu View Post
    You're welcome to apply as a refugee in the EU. Here, homosexuals and Jews have nothing to worry about oh wait no never mind that, try Canada or SEA. Or, you know, stay there. If you think Europe is drastically different, you're in for a surprise.
    Why apply as a refugee somewhere where I already have citizenship, lol? Y'all keep trying for these silly gotchas because you're arguing against a caricature in your head rather than someone who has espoused left wing views as a result of life experience and being well-read and traveled rather than being naive as y'all continually like to claim.

    Let's play a fun game, it's called "centrists" stay in their lane and keep their hot takes to themselves.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    UGH They say ignorance is bliss dealing with it however is just a frigging headache
    Hey... at least unlike Trump, you are not a grown man insulting a little girl on twitter. You are a grown man insulting random people on the Internet. You are better than Trump...
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  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Hey... at least unlike Trump, you are not a grown man insulting a little girl on twitter. You are a grown man insulting random people on the Internet. You are better than Trump...
    Felya you still have not managed to impress me what the democrats have done. NY, California, atlanta and Seattle are a goddamn mess. Why vote for Biden?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Why apply as a refugee somewhere where I already have citizenship, lol? Y'all keep trying for these silly gotchas because you're arguing against a caricature in your head rather than someone who has espoused left wing views as a result of life experience and being well-read and traveled rather than being naive as y'all continually like to claim.

    Let's play a fun game, it's called "centrists" stay in their lane and keep their hot takes to themselves.
    Remarkable, you managed to get it all wrong. It was a bitter remark yet one made in jest, I'm in no way a centrist, and if I were you I wouldn't bring caricatures into the discussion - and I'm not talking about your avatar. Referring to the sweeping generalizations and baseless assumptions, more like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adolecent View Post
    I'm getting infracted by an American moderator on an American topic promoting/advocating weapons on a childrens forum, what else to expect on an American forum. I'm done here and i'm going to leave you one thing to remember:
    [extremely graphic picture of dead children]
    Hope you sleep well. With the lack of empathy the majority of you show i guess that won't be a problem. BB

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    Which country has good Covid response according to you then?
    New Zealand, South Korea, Iceland, UAE, Germany, Canada, Australia, Singapore, Taiwan it's a long list we are at 3rd world country level when it comes to the data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    Greece is not western Europe so im happy.
    funny that right wingers are usually real quick to lump greek figures in with "heroes of western civilization" when it's necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    Felya you still have not managed to impress me what the democrats have done. NY, California, atlanta and Seattle are a goddamn mess. Why vote for Biden?
    Right now? Anyone not saying healthcare, has their priorities fucked. 130000 dead... can you even grasp what amount of people that is?

    Edit: Am in Seattle... not a mess... we are sending supplies to Florida... because there is no national response. US has no leadership...
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    Why?

    To own. The libs of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    New Zealand, South Korea, Iceland, UAE, Germany, Canada, Australia, Singapore, Taiwan it's a long list we are at 3rd world country level when it comes to the data.
    well no

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Yes

    Why?

    To own. The libs of course.

    'Murica baby!
    Oh god... if their tears were just not so delicious... it’s the fruit of the gods... Eve didn’t taste a perfect fruit in an apple or pear or what ever they want you to believe... liberal tears is the nectar of the gods...

    ... and fuck you autocorrect, I didn’t mean Hector... this is America!
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  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    Because I have sympathy for the working class of America that is getting fucked over by the establishment and cowardly ideologues.
    Not like the democrats who's entire platform is about middle class growth would do that... nope... not like government funded healthcare, and schooling helps the working class nope..

    You know what helps the working class? Giving corporations trillions, so they can lay off the working class and then buy back their own stock thereby not creating any jobs but just fabricating extra wealth in what used to be stock manipulation until another republican actor got rid of the law that made it illegal. That certainly helps the yeomen, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Yeah at the government level, I think we should convince people and businesses to voluntarily recycle and eliminate unnecessary pollution.
    That doesn't happen.

    The system you're describing is what leads to people having poisoned drinking water and rivers catching on fire.

    You know what stops that, and is the only thing that stops that? Government regulation.

    I support rapid development and i'm against that which inhibits growth. I view sustainability as not only impossible but not even desirable compared to constant evolution and change and solving problems through technological advancement.
    "unending growth" is far more unobtainable than "sustainability."

    In fact, a lack of sustainability is why growth ends.

    A company that runs out of capital because it ran through it all goes bankrupt. They don't just "keep growing forever."


    Also i'm a pure humanist and not an environmentalist so let's say we turned Earth into a Coruscant-like planet in the future with trillions of people that have displaced the environment I would view that as progress and not as a "dystopia".
    You do know that Coruscant is a shithole of corruption with a shiny veneer on top in the star wars universe, right? Like, that it was intentionally designed that way?

    It gave rise to and was led by the fucking evil emperor. Talk about missing the point.

    Do you also applaud the Empire for constructing a means that so readily and swiftly deals with "unwieldy protestors" in the form of the Death Star?

    It's interesting to see that the people that support Trump do so because they fear imaginary boogeymen like "SJWs rewriting history," fear imagined slights like "Censoring the white male journey" and misconstrue "corporations choosing not to host opinions" as "abrogation of free speech."

    Like this drek right here:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Butt Witch View Post
    Just a few snippets:
    - large scale censorship of free speech because "freespeech is hatespeech".
    - unofficial social credit score, as companies refuse to serve certain individuals on account of opinions voiced by those individuals in public. Banks, credit card companies, social media platforms, and certain companies, have already started using such a system of social credit score.
    - severe gun control and gun confiscations.
    - affirmative action hirings based not only on race but also on sexual preferences in order to have "diversity and inclusion" at all costs.
    - rewriting of history in order to make it PC, and destroying symbols of civilization in the process, basically blaming white people for everything that happened since 300000 B.C.
    - changing culture and entertainment in order to pander to certain puritans. Ex: no depictions of slavery in any medium of entertainment, no depictions of nudity in video games because "male gaze", no depictions of male heroic themes because "male toxicity", replacing well established characters and changing stories in order to introduce LGBT themes and female characters.
    - worshiping corporations and main stream media.
    - allowing for unchecked migration even if the people who come have values and cultures that are incompatible with the locals'.
    - destruction of national identity in order to make room for globalism, because national identities are "white supremacy".
    It's a pretty good summary of all of the imagined nonsense that Trump supporters fear "coming for them around the corner" despite having zero basis in any actual liberal policy or legal actions taken in the United States.

    Meanwhile, the people that oppose Trump disapprove of... his complete bungling of the coronavirus situation, leading to hundreds of thousands of American deaths (a situation he has still not come close to helming, nor one that shows any signs of slowing down,) the dissolution of American power across the globe, the praising of autocrat dictators, his complete lack of any sort of political competency, and his inability to pass any legislation or helm any initiative that isn't a token gesture ("Build the wall fence") or a simple means with which to rather obviously personally enrich himself or his corporate friends. (still hasn't divested himself from his businesses.) Couple that with a completely hypocritical stance on almost everything (criticized Obama for golfing, golfs more than Obama ever did, criticized Obama's handling of ebola, has lost thousands of Americans to Covid... I could go on) and I can see absolutely zero reason to support the man. Not a one.

    So ask yourself, Trump supporters, which of those things is actually real and impacting human lives, and which is just something you grew scared of because of someone with multicolored hair saying mean things on Tumblr?

    Trump has had four years to do... anything. And all I see is an America WEAKER than when Trump became president, due in VERY large part to his actions and his inability to lead as president.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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